Author Topic: Beginning Of The End: Sarah Palin Hijacks The Tea Party Movement. (Read 3401 times)

Oldshooter · « **Reply #30 on:** February 09, 2010, 03:20:51 AM »

Quote from: eddiegjr on February 09, 2010, 01:29:01 AM

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Some of you folk have short memories or are to young to remember ross perot!

Sourdough · « **Reply #31 on:** February 09, 2010, 04:54:07 AM »

We tried thisw third party thing once before, that's how Clinton got elected, Remember?

Sarah would love to go Independent, but she knows the futility of that.

How can someone believe3 she is Hi-Jacking the Tea Party movement when she was one of the first people holding up a Tea Bag.

blind ear · « **Reply #32 on:** February 09, 2010, 06:21:50 AM »

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Palin fought the "establishment/coorporations" in Alaska. From interviews the last few days Mrs Palin sounds like she would fall in line with the Republican party. The Tea Party guys say outright that they favor falling in line with the GOP. The GOP will never change thier current philosophy, they are owned by the coorporations. Reelecting the Republicans is a solid vote for the past policies.

The Democrats tax and give it to the poor and the Republicans tax and give it to the coorporations.

The "we the people" that earn a paycheck are getting kicked by both sides. As voters we outnumber both coorporations and welfare recipients combined. We allow these things to happen to us because we are led like children/sheep .

third party

eddie

ms · « **Reply #33 on:** February 09, 2010, 07:44:38 AM »

I don't know why she should back Rick Perry.

Hooker · « **Reply #34 on:** February 09, 2010, 07:45:56 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on February 09, 2010, 03:20:51 AM

Quote from: eddiegjr on February 09, 2010, 01:29:01 AM
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Some of you folk have short memories or are to young to remember ross perot!

I'm plenty old enough and my memory is just fine.
But it seems by your reply that you have a defeatist nature.
And continuing to vote the lesser of two evils is liken to the dog licking up his own vomit.
I'm thankful our founding fathers did not play the safe card.
The lesser of two evils crowd does not want to change government they like it just the way it is.
The two party system is a security blanket for the lazy and timid.

Pat

jimster · « **Reply #35 on:** February 09, 2010, 07:48:48 AM »

The "tea party" is not dead, nor is it held up by any one person.

It's a mix of lot's of different people that have the power to keep things going on their own.

They were strong enough to stop health care and a couple other things on their own with absolutely no
voice or votes in both houses of Congress. The people beat back congress and a president...all by themselves...with massive phone calls, letters, and gatherings. Even though the opposition had everyone in place to do whatever they wanted.

This should prove to you that power does not come from a president, or his congress...but from a mass of people raising their voices.

If the people decide that Palin is not right for them, they will let her know....if they decide she stands for most things they do, they will let her know that as well. As far as anyone saying Palin did not fight in Alaska for the people and what was right...they need to read up a bit on that, there is good reason the republicans do not trust her at all...she kicked their butts up there and caused them much pain. Where she is now on these type of things I don't know, I'm watching yet. Far as getting down on "corporations" or any kind of capitialism....count me out on that one...capitialism is the ONLY place money can actually be generated and made, and the ONLY place where real jobs come from...you beat that up, you are all done, cause there is no money other than that. Less you work for the government. If I form a business or a corp. and anyone gets on my back...I'm gone and so are the jobs....careful what you wish for. You won't have the power to make me stick around....you can't legislate that.

The Democrats tax and give it to the poor

This has to be the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.....if the 2.6 trillion in taxes every 12 months actually got to the poor...well, you can imagine...LOL!! The taxes taken in are going to all corrupt places, they don't even try to hide it anymore. Dems CREATE poor people...period. Not even arguable.

Republicans tax and give it to the coorporations.

Republicans tax and funnel it to corruption same as dems do...corporations PAY gobs of taxes...everyone pays gobs of taxes....and nobody should be made to be the "evil ones"....except the ones who confiscate the taxes. Let all who are taxed stand together and not get caught up in who are the bad guys.
The bad guys are the tax collectors.

All this retoric is just a way to divide the tax payers and pit them against each other.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #36 on:** February 09, 2010, 08:04:31 AM »

Quote from: Hooker on February 09, 2010, 07:45:56 AM

Quote from: Oldshooter on February 09, 2010, 03:20:51 AM
Quote from: eddiegjr on February 09, 2010, 01:29:01 AM
third party third party third party third party

obama wins obama wins obama wins obama wins

Some of you folk have short memories or are to young to remember ross perot!

I'm plenty old enough and my memory is just fine.
But it seems by your reply that you have a defeatist nature.
And continuing to vote the lesser of two evils is liken to the dog licking up his own vomit.
I'm thankful our founding fathers did not play the safe card.
The lesser of two evils crowd does not want to change government they like it just the way it is.
The two party system is a security blanket for the lazy and timid.

Pat

Not licking vomit and i dont appreciate the reference, vote how you please .

I'm not afeered of nothing, I am a realist and I do think four more years of obama is not healthy for this country! Guess I'll have to say this again gor you FNG's. Didn't like Mccain but knew what to expect from him. Didn't trust obama and wont contribute to his re-election You and Dee and all the rest of the deciples can find a good candidate and if he has a prayer come election day I'll vote for him. But i wont let obama in again with some 10 percent guy cause you people think its the right thing to do. or dont you understand how it works?

Mongrelcat · « **Reply #37 on:** February 09, 2010, 08:36:29 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on February 08, 2010, 11:22:10 PM

A vote cast for someone who can't win is still a vote wasted and an election given to the Democrats.

I make my stand on the supposition that there is no difference in any of the criminals now in Gomorrah..........

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is prolly a duck. so why try to protect (republicanism) ...if that is a word?

This country as a whole was in better shape under Clinton, than any of the republicats we have had in the last 20 years. I am certainly not a fan of the Clintons, but facts are facts. George Bush and his 'Ilk did as much or more damage to America and the loss of freedoms and rights as any president since Lincoln..(did I say that?)

We need to go back to what was working and fix it there, it will never be repaired adding bandages to this mess. I think we need a president to walk up to the podium and say the first order of business is to re-instate the constitution, then we can get down to work. Let free enterprise take the helm and this country will prosper again.

Too many folks standing around with their hand out, cheering on the war machine that gives our "fractional reserve" economy a breath every few years.

I say cut all programs and handouts, let everyone start from where they are now and this country and the GNP would jump like a spring heifer.

Put the land back in the hands of the people, and it will prosper.

As far as Washington goes, clean it all out, and then let the calf suck.

Mongrel

Oldshooter · « **Reply #38 on:** February 09, 2010, 09:04:15 AM »

Mongrel for President in 2012!!

But beware Mongrel they will hate you here after you are elected and dont do it like they think you should!

Right or wrong they will end up hating you! they always do cause you wont ever please enough of them to do any good!

bearmgc · « **Reply #39 on:** February 09, 2010, 01:58:40 PM »

Third party!

Sourdough · « **Reply #40 on:** February 10, 2010, 04:45:47 AM »

OK, let me say this. Poor people don't pay taxes (or at least not very much) not do they create jobs or hire workers. Rich people create jobs and hire workers. They also pay 75% of all taxes paid in this country. So when they get a tax break, they usually use it to create more wealth for themselves by opening up manufactoring, creating more jobs, and hiring more people. That's a win win for everyone.

The good thing about America is that a poor person can work his way to the top and become rich. Look at John Walton, He is just one of the many people that started poor and became a millionare.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #41 on:** February 10, 2010, 05:02:34 AM »

What is funny is when you check to see where the two parties get their money. Most Republican money comes from mom and pop givers of around $20 or so. Most Democrat money comes from big "liberal owned" corporations, like GE, Microsoft, Apple, etc. Republicans are not necessarialy for big corporations. Oil companies have favored Republicans as well as defence contrators, but software companies and entertainment companies, TV companies (except Fox), give to Dems. Most of the poor dems don't have the money to give to their party. The parties have actually switched rolls over time from the 1800's. Southern Dems in the 1800's were for states rights, and less Federal control. Now it is the other way around.

Yep, when have you seen a poor person hire someone to do yard work, clean house, or add a room onto their house? When has a poor person ran a company? Can't overtax the rich. Europe is stagnated because of overtaxing the rich and corperations, especially Britian, France, Sweden. Germany is a little less liberal and thus has more international corporations.

nomosendero · « **Reply #42 on:** February 10, 2010, 04:24:18 PM »

We have all gone through the tax chart several times & we all remember it.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #43 on:** February 10, 2010, 07:09:51 PM »

Quote from: 243shooter on February 08, 2010, 01:31:26 AM

i like sarah palin, and i agree with a lot of what paul says. but i believe that ron paul would be even more "polarizing" than palin. maybe i'm wrong, but from what i've seen and heard from other people, either they love him or they hate him.

Many times I have heard people say I agree with( some) of what Paul say's............But!
What is it about him you don't like? Please explain! He is a Constitutional politician. What could be polarizing about him?

nomosendero · « **Reply #44 on:** February 11, 2010, 04:04:13 AM »

Ahhh, yea we have to do this every year.

Concerning Income taxes data released from the IRS:
The top 50% income earners pay 96.54% of ALL Income Taxes
The top 25% pay 83.88%
The top 10% pay 65.84%
The top 5% pay 54.36%
The top 1% pay 34.27% The top 1% pay over 1/3 of all income taxes. Do some of the
super rich fall through the cracks, yep, but these are the
numbers. Could literally millions of Americans feeding off the
system & paying 0% taxes be productive people, yep but they
don't & they won't. Look what these millions could do for
themselves & the nation if they were productive, hmmm.

Now, concerning the Corp. taxes, most of the top folks are the same folks who are in the top bracket of the above chart, hence a double taxation. Also, it takes a moron to think that taxes, just as in the case of
excess Gov. regulations or any other fees are an added cost of doing business & must be past on, which
makes this not paying their fair share stuff quite stupid.

Warren Buffet is a lying hypocrite & a PROGRESSIVE SOCIALIST LIAR at that. He did not talk about this stuff before he became extremely wealthy in our system. One of my customers is a plant owned by him. He does not pay as much as some of the surrounding plants, he could "share the wealth" anytime he wishes, but will not. Soros hates the Capatalist system, but made billions without a gripe. Gotta love these Progressives such as these 2 & Hollywood elite who decide Capatilism is bad after they get fixed in life.

Yea, Progressives love the "Progressive" tax system except they want it to be more harsh on folks who
have gained a little & hit Corp harder & become a "people's" nation. Obama loves this & many are willing to Goosestep with him.

Questor · « **Reply #45 on:** February 11, 2010, 04:14:34 AM »

Good stats! The one I am always alarmed by is the increasing moral hazard of having a larger and larger population of people not paying income taxes. This makes a large political constituency that will vote to take money from those who pay taxes. That's what happened in Europe.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #46 on:** February 11, 2010, 08:21:45 AM »

We need a low flat tax with very minimal deductions, and a value added tax except on food you prepare yourself and drugs. Corporations would pay the value added tax when they purchased office supplies or raw materials.

nomosendero · « **Reply #47 on:** February 11, 2010, 08:32:52 AM »

I use IRS (your folks) data because you would want to put down any Conservative source, Tax paid as a basis of income is what you progressives believe & those are the numbers dude. I don't live in your Socialist World & thats all there is to that. But the folks currently in power, Obamanites everywhere admire your hammer & sickle view.

As far as hammering the Corporations, anyone who has actually ran a business knows the fruits of that one
& folks removed from it don't, no biggie. You will get your way as soon as your guy figures a way to take a larger piece from the Corporations, he wants it via cap & trade but he may have to siphon them a different way which will siphon us, a no-brainer.

jcn59 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 11, 2010, 08:53:53 AM »

Anyone who thinks Palin is the beginning of the end of anything clearly doesn' know who our president and speaker are.

I'm hoping obama sees his shadow this Monday, and then goes away for six years.

Ruskin · « **Reply #49 on:** February 11, 2010, 09:46:10 AM »

A friend of mine went to the meeting and saw Sarah speak. I asked her how it went. She replied, "great."
She did not say anythng bad about Sarah's speach. I know Gibbs and the media are upset about "handwritten notes" by Sarah; while giving the Presidental reader a pass on his teleprompter.

My friend related how the lame stream media was marginalized at Nashville because of the poor reporting and being a lap dog for Obama.

I would discount what the media writes about Sarah and the tea party. They pose a threat to the meal ticket the meda is riding.

jimster · « **Reply #50 on:** February 11, 2010, 04:06:35 PM »

I know Gibbs and the media are upset about "handwritten notes" by Sarah;

Sheesh...Gibbs? He's been studderin and stamerin and not knowing the answers hundreds of times, how could he put anyone else down?

Anyway, far as taxes go, the plan seems to be working, everyone pays way too much, including the businesses, all they have to do is get all the tax payers pointing at each other, saying "those guys" are not paying enough. Just what does anyone hope to gain by wishing more taxes on corporations, businesses, or wealthy people? Do these people think a government will give them some of that money? Or maybe if you tax the coporations enough it will cure all our woes and government can still spend all they want? (how is that working so far?) Of course the wealthy people/working people/businesses pay most the taxes, they are the only ones acutally generating any money at all, everyone else just wants that money. When the government backs off taxing and spending, the economy will get better, that's the way it works. When people stop siding with the government and wishing more taxes on the "bad guys"...we might just have a chance. Capitialism = money. Socialism = capitialism's money. Government = legalized criminals. How hard is this? If we keep on the current path we are on and hurting capitilism, there won't be economy at all, socialism dies with it on the same day. I had to write a check the other day to the feds, even after they took a bunch of money from my checks all year, sister in law chooses to work a couple days a week and pays in almost nothing, gets back 3,600 bucks.

Gets back way more than she pays in...how does THAT happen? Gee...wonder why I don't like paying taxes, and I wonder why I work every day. I don't have to wonder how my sister in law will vote though...that's an easy one...she likes redistribution just fine.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #51 on:** February 11, 2010, 04:18:32 PM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on February 09, 2010, 03:20:51 AM

Quote from: eddiegjr on February 09, 2010, 01:29:01 AM
third party third party third party third party

obama wins obama wins obama wins obama wins

Some of you folk have short memories or are to young to remember ross perot!

ROSS WHO

oh yes he was the FORTH man on the ballot in all 50 states a while back
that right i said the FORTH man

the libertaian party had THE THIRD man on the ballot in all 50 states months ahead of ROSS PARROT

no one ever heard that did you
the news media hid that from you
ross parrot just had enough mony not to be shut up
third parties are doomed
i wish it weren't that way

beerbelly · « **Reply #52 on:** February 12, 2010, 12:13:57 PM »

Well I think ,I am going to have to rethink Sarah Palin. I just read on the news she is going to campaign not only for perry in Texas ,but also McCain in Arizona! If she is supporting these RINOs, I will have to re think supporting her. Seems to be becoming another shill for the RNC.
I don't think the tea party folks would be surporting those two.
Beerbelly

ironglow · « **Reply #53 on:** February 12, 2010, 05:47:41 PM »

  It would seem too many are thinking "party" when they should be thinking "country". Today's tea party is a wonderful "grass roots' movement..from the people up. Many of the people in the forefront of the movement have made it clear what the aims of the movement is. Constitutional, conservative, traditional, small government, minimum taxes, minimum regulations and less govt interference.
   They hold the best ideas of the libertarians and the best ideas of the Republicans..as they once were. The aim is simply to elect the candidate who more closely reflects these ideals. If an existing party offers such a candidate they will back him/her, if neither does the tea party will offer an alternative. That is exactly what happened in the 23rd district of NY, and they nearly took the seat. Hopefully, the Republicans have caught on by now.
  This grass roots movement doesn't even have a proper name, other than the one given it by the media (Tea Party). there is no titular leader either.
  By clearly enunciating what they will support, either major party can sponsor a candidate which reflects the movement's criteria, as listed above. If they can for instance, convince the Republicans (the more likely one) to come back to their roots and original values, an amalgamation of the two would not be out of the question..call it Tea Party, Republican Party or Constitution Party..is of little import, so long as the country and people are properly served (a rose by any other name....).
  One attitude shown here by some is the placing of hopes on one man..creating a "super hero" or "ubermensch" such as was done in for Der fuehrer Germany or "IL duche" in Italy in the 30s. It has been repeated here in the US with Jim Jones in Jonestown and Kim Jung IL in N Korea.
   While I am not comparing him to any of the forementioned, and he is likely a fine candidate and good man..Ron Paul seems to have provoked a small number of "cult followers" who seem to think the sun rises and sets upon this one person. They seem to think that among 300 million Americans, no other person could possibly qualify for the highest office.
  As I said, obviously he is a fine man & candidate, but he doesn't feed the 5,000 with a couple rolls & fishes or walk on water yet..and such adulation bordering on worship, is a bit over the top. ....SELAH.... (that means pause... and think about it)

blind ear · « **Reply #54 on:** February 13, 2010, 05:07:58 AM »

Posted by: ironglow
"They seem to think that among 300 million Americans, no other person could possibly qualify for the highest office.
As I said, obviously he is a fine man & candidate, but he doesn't feed the 5,000 with a couple rolls & fishes or walk on water yet..and such adulation bordering on worship, is a bit over the top. ....SELAH.... (that means pause... and think about it)"

Ron Paul might not be the only one "qualified" for office, but how many that are qualified to "deserve" the office are RUNNING ? eddie

jcn59 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 13, 2010, 05:18:16 AM »

I think we need a president who WON'T sign any new laws. We have enough. How much brains does that take. We need a president with "WON'T POWER".

Who won't:

Keep illegals in this country.
Give our money to people who won't work.
send aid to our enemies.
force anti-American laws on the people

You add to the list.

jimster · « **Reply #56 on:** February 13, 2010, 06:33:23 AM »

"I think we need a president who WON'T sign any new laws. We have enough. How much brains does that take. We need a president with "WON'T POWER".

Agreed. No is good, bipartisan is bad, conservative is the way you live if you want success. All else is just politics and retoric, and words.
One man or woman will not be able to change anything, change the 535 in congress, and the "one" will just magically appear after that happens.

BBF · « **Reply #57 on:** February 13, 2010, 01:37:28 PM »

Quote from: eddiegjr on February 09, 2010, 01:29:01 AM

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wasted vote wasted vote wasted vote wasted vote

ironglow · « **Reply #58 on:** February 13, 2010, 01:41:11 PM »

Quote from: eddiegjr on February 13, 2010, 05:07:58 AM

Posted by: ironglow
"They seem to think that among 300 million Americans, no other person could possibly qualify for the highest office.
As I said, obviously he is a fine man & candidate, but he doesn't feed the 5,000 with a couple rolls & fishes or walk on water yet..and such adulation bordering on worship, is a bit over the top. ....SELAH.... (that means pause... and think about it)"

Ron Paul might not be the only one "qualified" for office, but how many that are qualified to "deserve" the office are RUNNING ? eddie

Eddie;
Ron Paul isn't running now either ! If he planned on actually running for the job, he should have started by now. It is not too late however, he could still do it..but if he wants the independent vote (the biggest block)..he better start asserting himself soon. If he were to jump in at the "last moment"..he would naturally, be considered just another "opportunist" by many...

powderman · « **Reply #59 on:** February 13, 2010, 03:28:45 PM »

IG. If RP runs, like all 3rd party people, he won't announce til just before the election, as always. POWDERMAN.