Author Topic: 22 hornet and heavy bullets (Read 4669 times)

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #30 on:** February 08, 2010, 07:45:07 AM »

Eddie that's why I asked I am sure there are more 1-16 out there but as Tim said no one has reported it but me.
Bigvarmint the articale I read in Varmint Hunter on the testing for the 30gr at 3100fps had no issues with reloading the Hornet brass many times... kind of surprised me also. Sounded like the 6 1/2 primers were essential to the great accuracy he got with that load though. Might take me til spring to try and find some of those though.Kurt

bigvarmnt · « **Reply #31 on:** February 08, 2010, 08:42:05 AM »

I'm getting a little off topic but here goes. I haven't had time to read my last VH mag. I'll look for article.

I only tested a few and I believe it was getting late in the day for my chrono. to work as only one regestered in the 20" tube at 2840fps with 12 gr Lil Gun 30gr VGs and WSR primers.

The stainless sposed to be 24" same load 3004,3126,2997,3134,2997,AV 3051.
I know from past B.R. primers gave me better groups. SP primers may work. Lil Guns low pressure seems to be better on brass. I used to have brass problems in the past with 110 and 4227. I think the Hornet would shine with 30-40 gr bullets and right combo in older twist rates.

I hope the longer non leads work in the 1:9 as you should be able to keep vel. up and use a longer bullet. The throats prob long enough in Handi. If I need 55+ gr Hornet I'll use next steps up in case size. The Hornet is a blast but I never cared for the case. Problems. Have it reamed to 221FB and you'd have the ideal cart/barrel. JMO. Good Luck!

sabbatus · « **Reply #32 on:** February 26, 2010, 02:02:50 PM »

major snow storms really slow down the progress of everything that a person loves to do. any how just did the initial pressure tests with hornady 75 grain bthp over 8 gr imr 3031. absolutley no signs of excess pressure, didnt get to do any target work yet, that is planned for sunday, did shoot a few in a piece of firewood at about 20 yds, didnt see any signs of keyholes, but i guess time will tell

barm · « **Reply #33 on:** February 27, 2010, 04:36:10 AM »

Sabbatus,

I ran the numbers through Quickload and here are the results.

Cartridge : .22 Hornet(.224 groove=custom)
Bullet : .224, 75, Hornady BTHP M 2279
Useable Case Capaci: 8.250 grain H2O = 0.536 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.720 inch = 43.69 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : IMR 3031

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 112 8.00 1452 351 21535 1854 64.4 1.792
-18.0 115 8.20 1493 371 23177 1944 66.2 1.739
-16.0 118 8.40 1535 392 24981 2034 68.0 1.687
-14.0 121 8.60 1578 415 26967 2124 69.8 1.635
-12.0 124 8.80 1623 439 29177 2214 71.6 1.585
-10.0 127 9.00 1668 464 31622 2302 73.4 1.535
-08.0 129 9.20 1715 490 34350 2390 75.2 1.487
-06.0 132 9.40 1763 518 37406 2475 77.0 1.439 ! Near Maximum !
-04.0 135 9.60 1813 547 40843 2557 78.8 1.390 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 138 9.80 1863 578 44742 2637 80.5 1.342 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0 141 10.00 1915 611 49181 2712 82.3 1.296 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 143 10.20 1968 645 54280 2783 83.9 1.250 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 146 10.40 2022 681 60187 2848 85.6 1.205 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 149 10.60 2078 719 67098 2907 87.2 1.160 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 152 10.80 2136 760 75279 2958 88.7 1.117 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 155 11.00 2195 803 85100 3000 90.2 1.074 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 141 10.00 2078 719 59266 2902 91.9 1.181 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 141 10.00 1724 495 40294 2345 69.2 1.443 ! Near Maximum !

barm · « **Reply #34 on:** February 27, 2010, 05:14:39 AM »

Here are the results with different powders. I'm sorry I could not get the tables and information to line up. When I copy and paste it gets messed up. If anyone knows a better way to post it let me know.

Cartridge : .22 Hornet(.224 groove=custom)
Bullet : .224, 75, Hornady BTHP M 2279
Useable Case Capaci: 8.250 grain H2O = 0.536 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 1.720 inch = 43.69 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 38072 psi, or 262 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

40 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 70%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon Lil'Gun 91.7 7.2 0.47 1896 100.0 38072 2299 1.366 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 296 90.0 7.3 0.48 1882 95.3 38072 2514 1.388 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R910 93.8 6.6 0.43 1850 100.0 38072 2058 1.372 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H110 90.3 7.4 0.48 1843 97.4 38072 2343 1.406 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0200 96.3 7.3 0.47 1818 94.4 38072 2267 1.411 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N110 100.0 6.4 0.42 1799 99.9 36948 2042 1.420
Ramshot Enforcer 81.7 6.4 0.41 1793 99.9 38072 1994 1.421 ! Near Maximum !
Norma R123 78.5 6.0 0.39 1791 100.0 38072 1791 1.435 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 512 87.1 6.3 0.41 1789 99.9 38072 1990 1.424 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant 2400 81.9 5.9 0.38 1786 99.7 38072 1997 1.424 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 5744 95.7 6.8 0.44 1785 89.6 38072 2272 1.423 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4100 84.7 6.6 0.43 1776 98.6 38072 2025 1.428 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-D0631 84.3 6.7 0.43 1774 94.9 38072 2111 1.419 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680 98.5 8.1 0.52 1772 83.7 38072 2243 1.423 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0401 87.7 5.9 0.39 1752 99.6 38072 1909 1.431 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S265 100.0 7.0 0.45 1749 95.7 37984 2043 1.455 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate No.9 71.9 5.9 0.38 1745 100.0 38072 1827 1.438 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2205 95.3 6.9 0.45 1736 96.4 38072 2013 1.446 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant BLUE DOT 85.2 5.3 0.34 1727 100.0 38072 1721 1.445 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227 100.0 7.0 0.45 1723 90.2 34441 2096 1.471
Hodgdon H4227 100.0 7.0 0.45 1715 90.6 32559 2127 1.489
Lovex-S0531 100.0 6.8 0.44 1709 94.2 31135 2097 1.511
Vihtavuori N105 84.2 5.0 0.32 1686 100.0 38072 1478 1.461 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 3N38 80.3 5.0 0.32 1665 100.0 38072 1477 1.473 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil P806 72.7 5.5 0.36 1652 100.0 38072 1508 1.504 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 100.0 7.9 0.51 1630 81.7 24097 2235 1.640
Norma 200 100.0 7.9 0.51 1630 81.7 24097 2235 1.640
ADI AR 2207 100.0 7.1 0.46 1623 86.5 24919 2151 1.624
Alliant Reloder- 7 100.0 7.4 0.48 1610 82.3 25974 2063 1.623
ADI AP 100 84.6 4.4 0.29 1606 100.0 38072 1332 1.498 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 100.0 7.8 0.51 1597 76.9 25271 2148 1.643
Vihtavuori N120 100.0 6.9 0.45 1574 87.5 23830 1989 1.667
Hodgdon H4198 100.0 7.1 0.46 1569 76.0 28437 1839 1.617
Accurate 2200 100.0 7.7 0.50 1567 71.9 27326 1921 1.630
Ramshot X-Terminator 100.0 8.1 0.53 1565 71.9 25291 2028 1.663
ADI AP 90 78.3 4.1 0.27 1559 100.0 38072 1211 1.529 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 100.0 6.8 0.44 1551 80.2 25025 1885 1.664
Vihtavuori 3N37 70.5 4.1 0.27 1550 100.0 38072 1206 1.539 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 100.0 8.1 0.52 1546 69.4 26606 1888 1.656
Vihtavuori N350 73.2 4.1 0.26 1538 100.0 38072 1174 1.543 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant HERCO 79.8 3.8 0.25 1535 100.0 38072 1191 1.563 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 100.0 7.9 0.51 1526 69.8 24605 1929 1.696
SNPE Vectan SP 10 100.0 8.1 0.53 1520 68.4 23832 1942 1.710
PB Clermont PCL 508 100.0 8.1 0.53 1520 68.4 23875 1941 1.710
Kazan Sunar 308W 100.0 7.4 0.48 1517 77.0 23287 1876 1.713
SF-033 fl 100.0 7.8 0.50 1508 77.1 20679 2068 1.770
Hodgdon H335 100.0 8.3 0.54 1503 67.1 23874 1908 1.722
ADI AR 2210 100.0 7.9 0.51 1501 67.4 24372 1828 1.717
Alliant UNIQUE 71.0 3.5 0.23 1500 100.0 38072 1118 1.584 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 100.0 7.2 0.46 1487 74.7 20308 1936 1.790
Rottweil J706 79.9 3.6 0.24 1475 100.0 38072 1086 1.622 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem MS200 70.7 3.5 0.23 1465 100.0 38072 1042 1.617 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-D0731 100.0 8.1 0.52 1453 63.2 23675 1705 1.757
Lovex-D0733 100.0 8.1 0.52 1451 63.8 23015 1725 1.768
Vihtavuori N130 100.0 7.1 0.46 1443 74.3 20314 1761 1.809
Hodgdon H322 100.0 7.4 0.48 1429 66.0 20694 1738 1.822
Alliant Reloder-12 100.0 7.8 0.50 1428 66.9 20949 1727 1.821
Ramshot TAC 100.0 8.1 0.53 1426 60.8 21392 1725 1.811
Accurate 2015 100.0 7.4 0.48 1416 70.3 18418 1796 1.875
Hodgdon Benchmark 100.0 7.5 0.49 1414 64.5 21037 1654 1.833
Accurate 2230 100.0 8.2 0.53 1407 62.0 20178 1720 1.845
Accurate Solo 1250 71.3 3.2 0.21 1398 100.0 38072 915 1.650 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 100.0 7.6 0.50 1397 60.3 20212 1669 1.853
Somchem S321 100.0 8.2 0.53 1395 59.7 19811 1710 1.863
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 100.0 8.2 0.53 1395 61.1 18864 1747 1.878
ADI AR 2206H 100.0 7.6 0.49 1388 61.5 21433 1552 1.834
Winchester 748 100.0 8.2 0.53 1387 57.4 20431 1637 1.856
PB Clermont PCL 507 100.0 7.9 0.51 1384 59.0 19811 1641 1.871
ADI AR 2206 100.0 7.5 0.49 1373 61.0 20533 1541 1.873
Accurate 2460 100.0 8.2 0.53 1368 60.0 18258 1686 1.911
Alliant GREEN DOT 70.2 3.0 0.19 1368 100.0 38072 895 1.702 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0601 100.0 7.4 0.48 1357 59.5 19841 1518 1.898
Norma 201 100.0 7.8 0.50 1354 59.1 17647 1651 1.936
Lovex-D0832 100.0 8.0 0.52 1352 60.1 19733 1583 1.899
Vihtavuori N133 100.0 7.0 0.45 1341 67.2 17936 1531 1.929
Somchem S335 100.0 7.4 0.48 1338 64.8 17209 1590 1.965
Rottweil R901 100.0 7.2 0.47 1338 62.8 15824 1672 1.998
Alliant RED DOT 71.7 2.7 0.18 1335 100.0 38072 851 1.723 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 100.0 7.5 0.48 1326 60.0 17033 1583 1.975
Hodgdon BL-C2 100.0 8.3 0.54 1320 53.4 17957 1557 1.959
SNPE Vectan SP 9 100.0 7.9 0.51 1318 54.1 18092 1485 1.956
ADI AS 30 70.6 2.8 0.18 1314 100.0 38072 813 1.745 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 100.0 8.2 0.53 1311 52.9 18783 1434 1.948
Vihtavuori N540 100.0 7.7 0.50 1296 57.9 16396 1523 2.018
PB Clermont PCL 516 100.0 8.1 0.52 1289 49.9 17968 1398 1.983
Rottweil P805 74.5 2.8 0.18 1288 100.0 38072 778 1.771 ! Near Maximum !
Norma R1 72.9 2.8 0.18 1288 100.0 38072 778 1.771 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 100.0 7.4 0.48 1288 51.1 17585 1298 1.997
IMR 3031 100.0 7.1 0.46 1285 56.7 15776 1468 2.041
Hodgdon H4895 100.0 7.4 0.48 1276 54.4 16418 1345 2.039
ADI AR 2208 100.0 7.4 0.48 1272 52.3 16885 1355 2.023
Hodgdon VARGET 100.0 7.4 0.48 1268 52.2 16746 1347 2.030
IMR 4320 100.0 7.5 0.48 1264 49.9 16890 1275 2.035
Rottweil R902 100.0 7.3 0.48 1258 55.4 15004 1457 2.084
Alliant Reloder-15 100.0 7.6 0.49 1257 50.1 15872 1399 2.058
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 100.0 7.6 0.49 1257 50.1 15872 1399 2.058
Raufoss RA11 100.0 7.6 0.49 1257 50.1 15872 1399 2.058
Accurate 2520 100.0 7.8 0.51 1251 53.2 15328 1461 2.080
Norma 203B 100.0 7.6 0.49 1249 50.1 15555 1391 2.074
Alliant Reloder-17 100.0 8.0 0.52 1243 44.8 16989 1222 2.051
Lovex-S0621 100.0 7.4 0.48 1240 53.3 14881 1406 2.102
IMR 4064 100.0 7.2 0.47 1237 51.4 15794 1305 2.080
Ramshot BigGame 100.0 7.9 0.51 1218 45.7 15438 1237 2.113
SNPE Vectan SP 11 100.0 7.9 0.51 1216 45.6 15381 1231 2.117
Vihtavuori N140 100.0 7.3 0.47 1203 51.4 14747 1241 2.145
Hodgdon H380 100.0 7.8 0.50 1197 45.9 14777 1283 2.145
Hodgdon H414 100.0 8.1 0.52 1189 41.6 15102 1206 2.158
Vihtavuori N135 100.0 6.9 0.45 1183 54.6 13238 1272 2.213
IMR 4007 SSC 100.0 7.7 0.50 1180 44.2 15027 1209 2.158
Somchem S355 100.0 7.4 0.48 1180 48.1 13632 1276 2.197
Accurate 2495 100.0 7.2 0.47 1173 53.8 11714 1462 2.285
Norma 203 old 100.0 7.7 0.50 1162 46.0 13324 1265 2.242
Accurate 2700 100.0 7.9 0.51 1149 43.8 14920 1115 2.196
Winchester 760 100.0 8.0 0.52 1149 38.0 14538 1066 2.220
Rottweil R907 100.0 7.5 0.48 1142 42.8 13880 1142 2.231
Vihtavuori N550 100.0 7.8 0.50 1135 40.3 13184 1108 2.266
Rottweil R903 100.0 7.5 0.49 1131 44.4 12677 1182 2.298
Vihtavuori N150 100.0 7.2 0.46 1127 47.1 12587 1115 2.299
Lovex-S0651 100.0 7.4 0.48 1127 43.6 12963 1139 2.276
Hodgdon H4350 100.0 7.6 0.49 1098 36.6 13233 960 2.306
Norma 204 100.0 7.9 0.51 1095 35.1 13593 939 2.314
Norma URP 100.0 7.5 0.49 1093 38.1 12503 994 2.337
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 100.0 7.5 0.49 1093 38.1 12494 993 2.338
Accurate 4064 100.0 7.1 0.46 1091 47.1 10552 1223 2.427
Lovex-S0701 100.0 7.5 0.49 1091 39.7 12278 1055 2.356
Ramshot Hunter 100.0 7.9 0.51 1088 35.8 12789 957 2.351
IMR 4350 100.0 7.3 0.47 1082 36.6 12479 931 2.350
Rottweil R904 100.0 7.5 0.49 1063 34.8 12591 875 2.372
Raufoss RA4 100.0 7.6 0.49 1063 34.1 12577 885 2.389
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 100.0 7.6 0.49 1063 34.1 12577 885 2.389
ADI AR 2209 100.0 7.6 0.49 1047 32.7 12364 846 2.417
Alliant Reloder-19 100.0 7.6 0.49 1044 32.9 11932 860 2.437
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 100.0 7.6 0.49 1034 32.6 11735 840 2.459
Somchem S361 100.0 8.1 0.52 1031 33.4 11988 853 2.455
Somchem S365 100.0 7.6 0.49 1025 34.5 11259 862 2.492
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 100.0 7.1 0.46 1019 36.6 11057 831 2.492
IMR 4831 100.0 7.3 0.47 1015 35.1 10677 861 2.532
Hodgdon H4831 SC 100.0 7.7 0.50 1000 30.0 11634 763 2.511
Winchester Supreme 780 100.0 8.0 0.52 991 30.3 11743 765 2.523
Vihtavuori N160 100.0 7.3 0.47 984 31.9 10783 738 2.554
Somchem S385 100.0 7.7 0.50 981 31.0 10553 784 2.584
ADI AR 2213 100.0 7.7 0.50 980 27.7 11265 727 2.554
Accurate 4350 100.0 7.3 0.47 968 31.7 9885 803 2.634
IMR 7828 SSC 100.0 7.8 0.51 967 26.4 11192 698 2.574
Hodgdon H4831 100.0 7.4 0.48 966 29.0 10653 711 2.605
Vihtavuori N560 100.0 7.8 0.50 960 26.0 10534 712 2.611
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 100.0 7.7 0.50 959 27.4 10312 725 2.628
Raufoss RA15 100.0 7.7 0.50 959 27.4 10312 725 2.628
Alliant Reloder-22 100.0 7.7 0.50 959 27.4 10312 725 2.628
Norma MRP 100.0 7.9 0.51 958 26.6 10472 729 2.621
Winchester WXR 100.0 7.5 0.49 938 26.8 9782 693 2.687
Rottweil R905 100.0 7.5 0.49 938 26.6 10148 675 2.668
Vihtavuori N165 100.0 7.5 0.49 934 29.1 9996 672 2.689
IMR 7828 100.0 7.4 0.48 921 25.3 9920 633 2.706
Accurate MAGPRO 100.0 8.1 0.52 913 23.1 9958 637 2.750
Alliant Reloder-25 100.0 7.6 0.49 900 25.5 9226 626 2.787
ADI AP 2214 100.0 7.9 0.51 886 23.3 9949 572 2.774
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 100.0 8.1 0.53 857 21.1 9475 547 2.886
SNPE Vectan SP 12 100.0 8.1 0.53 856 21.1 9425 545 2.892
PB Clermont PCL 517 100.0 8.1 0.53 854 21.0 9396 542 2.897
Hodgdon H1000 100.0 7.5 0.49 849 22.4 8946 522 2.900
Accurate 3100 100.0 7.2 0.47 838 25.2 7892 571 2.993
Norma MRP 2 100.0 7.6 0.49 836 21.1 8270 532 3.003
Hodgdon Retumbo 100.0 7.6 0.50 813 20.6 8014 491 3.079
Vihtavuori N170 100.0 7.5 0.49 808 20.6 7848 492 3.099
Vihtavuori N570 100.0 8.0 0.52 803 17.1 8171 469 3.069
Lovex-D1001 100.0 8.2 0.53 803 18.8 8563 459 3.060
Vihtavuori 24N41 100.0 8.1 0.52 795 17.4 8395 445 3.081
ADI AR 2218 100.0 8.1 0.52 766 15.5 7974 409 3.174
Hodgdon 50BMG 100.0 7.7 0.50 749 15.3 7377 394 3.265
Hodgdon H870 100.0 7.9 0.51 748 16.2 7193 406 3.286
Hodgdon US 869 100.0 8.1 0.52 735 15.4 7253 380 3.320
SNPE Vectan SP 13 100.0 7.8 0.50 716 15.9 6768 365 3.422
NC A3502 ,test only 100.0 7.4 0.48 707 13.1 7053 298 3.395
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 100.0 7.8 0.50 701 15.1 6600 346 3.480
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 100.0 7.4 0.48 690 13.2 6643 296 3.491
Accurate 8700 100.0 7.8 0.50 689 14.6 6610 323 3.518
Vihtavuori 20N29 100.0 8.2 0.53 672 13.1 6457 312 3.583
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 100.0 7.4 0.48 545 7.2 5152 153 4.298

quickdtoo · « **Reply #35 on:** February 27, 2010, 05:26:09 AM »

Save it as a .txt file using Notepad and attach it using Additional Options to the left below the text box.

Tim

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barm · « **Reply #36 on:** February 27, 2010, 06:00:47 AM »

Thank you, Tim.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #37 on:** February 27, 2010, 06:27:03 AM »

Quote from: billy_56081 on February 08, 2010, 05:30:05 AM

Twist rate is only one of the factors in stabilizing a bullet. Velocity is the second factor needed. A 22 hornet will have a hard time stabilizing a bullet over 55 grains even with a 1 in 9 twist.

It seems I do have some .224 55 FMJ grain bullets for my .223. How about some suggested loads for the .22 Hornet for those? I will be using a Lee Loader for these loads but can wiegh each powder charge...I would like to get some sub sonic loadings as well...Thanks....<><....

barm · « **Reply #38 on:** February 27, 2010, 06:43:01 AM »

MSP,

Who is the manufacturer of the 55 gr. FMJ?

Brian

barm · « **Reply #39 on:** February 27, 2010, 07:45:16 AM »

MSP,

Here is the file with the 55 grain Hornady FMJBT

MSP Ret · « **Reply #40 on:** February 27, 2010, 01:30:03 PM »

Barm, The bullets are 55gr WW fmjbt I aquired from a fine member here as part of a barter deal on some stock work. Thank's for the file on the 55 grain bullets, I have printed it out. Do you think the values would be the same for my 55gr WW fmjbt bullets?...Thanks....<><....

barm · « **Reply #41 on:** February 27, 2010, 02:07:17 PM »

MSP Ret,

You are welcome. Quickload lists a Winchester 55 grain FMC, but it does not have the length of the bullet. If you measure the length I could enter the information and see what it says.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #42 on:** February 27, 2010, 02:36:39 PM »

Thanks buddy, they measure out at .741 to .745, avg about .743....<><....

barm · « **Reply #43 on:** February 27, 2010, 04:05:41 PM »

MSP,

Here is the other file.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #44 on:** February 27, 2010, 04:15:13 PM »

Thank you VERY much, hopefully when I get home from church tomorrow I can load up a few to try....<><....

spooked · « **Reply #45 on:** February 28, 2010, 06:10:21 AM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on February 08, 2010, 05:14:15 AM

The FAQs pre '87 Hornet twist has a question mark behind it because no one else except Kurt has reported an old Hornet barrel as being 1:16", they may all be, but we don't know that yet, at the bottom of the twist rate list you'll find instructions on how to check it.

Tim

Just checked my 158 h&r (an=1975?) hornet it's one in sixteen...

quickdtoo · « **Reply #46 on:** February 28, 2010, 06:17:11 AM »

Thanks.

Tim

sabbatus · « **Reply #47 on:** February 28, 2010, 11:13:19 AM »

barm, what great information you posted, thanks. that fit right into what my string and trigger pressure tests said, your way is much safer though.

i tried loads of 8, 8.5, and 9 gr imr 3031. the results were the sound of tumbling bullets, they cut perfect keyholes all over the 25 yd target. still going to play with this some, try a few other powders probably winchester 760, and maybe some h110. also will try bullets down in the 60 - 65 gr category.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 28, 2010, 11:17:27 AM »

FWIW, I never had satisfactory results in any of 3 Hornets with that 'slow' a powder.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #49 on:** February 28, 2010, 01:49:49 PM »

I just checked two Hornet barrels I have guys, the first is still a Hornet and is a 2004 production with a 1 in 12 twist.
The second is an older barrel with the early sights. I got it from a member who got it thinking it was a Hornet since it was marked that way. It actually was sold to him with a chamber that was fouled up from a botched attempt at rechambering to a .223, he did not know about the fouled up chamber when he bought it or when he sold it to me and I decided to keep it anyway. After some checking and investigation I sent it to Wayne for his majic and it is now a .22-250. It has the original Hornet 1 in 16 twist that H&R had. And by the way, it shoots surprisingly well as a .22-250 with the 1/16 twist. Factory H&R .22-250's have a 1/14 twist....<><....

barm · « **Reply #50 on:** February 28, 2010, 03:22:30 PM »

Sabbatus,

I'm glad you could use the information. I'm very interested to see what the heavy bullets in the smaller case can do. Keep us posted on what you find out.