AFRICAN AMERICAN.

[sagegrouse715]

45-70

As I undestand it, yellowcake refers to a processing step uranium goes through.  We can't afford to attack every tin pot dictator who has weapons.  Let's face it, we probably have had a lot more yellowcake than that stock piled in the U.S.  Who is to say the government won't use it on us to take our guns?

I don't go "oh, gee, I am exicited I got a big tax bill today", but I need the government's services and like all things they cost.  I can't afford my own army, my own roads or maintaining them, my own postal service, my own fire department, my own school, etc..  I may not like my taxes, but I would dislike the loss of government services more.

[sagegrouse715]

Cabin:

Neither.  Jesus gave this answer when the Jewish priest asked him about paying taxes to the Roman emperor.

[Cabin4]

Cabin:

Neither.  Jesus gave this answer when the Jewish priest asked him about paying taxes to the Roman emperor.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm well aware of that. I was just confused what it meant in the context of that post.

[LONGTOM]

Longtom:

I measure accompishment  based on the norms for American society.  At the end of the day what have you done.

About the same as any hard working person in this country.

I really can't believe you would ask that.

Let's see-
I get up at 5:30 to get my oldest son up at 6 so he can leave for governors school for a half a day then on to high school.
Then I wake the youngest son at 6:45 to get him off to middle school by 7:30.
Take care of my chores around the farm and pray that a customer will stop in and buy a trailer off me.  It has been a while with this economy.
Since things are slow I do have some time to talk to the members here on GBO for a while.
The rest of the day i try to figure out just how the hell i am going to keep paying all the bills.
Just because you don't have any business to speak of that doesn't stop the bills from coming.
Besides the normal bill that everyone gets,
the electric bill  $600.00 to $750.00 a month during the winter and $400.00 a month in the summer.
the phone bill  $60.00 a month   that's an easy one
car insurance runs around $350.00 a month
hospital insurance   $2058.00 a month with $2500.00 deductible
personal property tax just a tad over $400.00 a month
business license  $125.00 a month
insurance on the home & buildings  $800.00 a month
insurance for the business  $1180.00 a month
living expenses  around $250.00 a week including gas for the cars
$50.00 a week for the kids lunches at school
my BP & HEART meds  $100.00 a week that's with insurance
state sales tax each month on the business  varies
not to mention income tax.
Then the kids are home.
Supper and always some type of sports.
A little family time.
Some more here with you all and then to bed around ? AM
With all that I still am in business.
Both kids are pretty much straight A students.
The oldest was just voted MOST LIKELY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE by his senior class.
The youngest just finished the wrestling season undefeated.
We still maintain a loving household with time for the kids.
I am very highly respected in my line of business and by most that know me.
My wife volunteers everyday at my youngest son's middle school.
We as a family take care of my FATHER who is 81 and lives with us and will until the day he dies, I will see to that.
Even with all that I/we have managed to save over the years enough money that the kids both have enough money to pay for their college years and still have some left.
I have enough that they will never have to work a day once I am gone.
I bought the farm off my FATHER years ago to keep it out of his estate, 232 acres all paid off in full.
I also volunteer coach for the boys baseball teams.
Everything we have is paid for,  I don't owe a dime to anyone.

All in all I would say I have done a pretty good job so far, just the same as many other people have in their own ways.
Better than some, worse than others.

You know, I almost didn't type this as I didn't want it to sound like I was crowing but to be honest, I AM VERY PROUD OF WHAT I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED!!!


LONGTOM
  

[45-70.gov]

45-70

As I undestand it, yellowcake refers to a processing step uranium goes through.  We can't afford to attack every tin pot dictator who has weapons.  Let's face it, we probably have had a lot more yellowcake than that stock piled in the U.S.  Who is to say the government won't use it on us to take our guns?

I don't go "oh, gee, I am exicited I got a big tax bill today", but I need the government's services and like all things they cost.  I can't afford my own army, my own roads or maintaining them, my own postal service, my own fire department, my own school, etc..  I may not like my taxes, but I would dislike the loss of government services more.

i  am with you  until you got to the schools
i  went to private schools most of my life
my  kids  went to  public schools....one  of  my big  life  mistakes
public  schools are a huge money pit...look  into  it
school  lunches are  a huge wealth redistribution sceam ...look  into  it

i  could have  put  my kids through private schools  for less money
than  the county  taxed  me on  my property tax...just counting the part allocated  to the schools
this  is  NOT counting  federal money

i  am  not an  anarchist as  many call  me  ..but i want to be one

yellow cake  needs  further  refining to be dangerous....but  i  don't really  know

[45-70.gov]

long  tom

took  this long  for  some one  to say the  magic  word

now  i  can   sign  off  and  sleep  good  tonight

oh  yea...the  magic  word














PRIDE

[sagegrouse715]

Longtom:

Oh no, my message wasn't meant that way.  I didn't mean you personally.

I am impressed by what you have done and do everyday.  Especially the care you give your father.  You're a good man.

I am glad I don't have your health insurance and medication bill.  Or you light bill!!!

You should be proud of the kids you have raised.  After hearing your story, I look at you in a different light and with admiration.  Just not your ideas on race.

[LONGTOM]

sagegrouse7:

My mistake and thank you and 45-70.

I don't think we disagree that much on race itself but rather the values that each have placed or had placed upon them by their own kind.

I feel that every person chooses the path they take through life for the most part.
Some don't, it is thrust upon them and they may or may not be able to handle it.
When a person or race as a whole chooses to live off the wealth of someone else through hand outs and welfare when they are more than able to make a living for themselves but are just to lazy than that is where I have a problem.
There are exceptions to that and that is where the government should step in.
To do it for every tom, dick & harry just because they don't feel like working or think the jobs being offered are below them is wrong.
I may not like digging a ditch or flipping hamburgers but until something better comes along I will do it to try and better myself.
It just seems like the blacks don't look at it that way.
They, for the most part think that they are owed for the past their forefathers may have had to bear.
I am sorry to tell them this but this country don't owe them a thing, or any of us for that matter.
It is up to us to make the best of it.
That is exactly what those before us did.
I just don't understand how a person or race wouldn't want to better themselves instead of always waiting on that check to come in the mail.
There have been plenty of blacks that have made it good along with others as well but they mostly did it by hard work just as I have.
Not by sitting around and waiting for a handout.
Why can't they see that is beyond me?


LONGTOM

[RJL-77]

And here all this time i thought it was "Goundanaland" (SIC).  Oh and by the way I would guess that there are no pure lines now in case you did not notice.  Just lately ya can't be sure of much.... Just a couple months ago I heard that Sonny&Cher's daughter Chastidy was now something different...   I guess the world just keeps turning.

A while ago a self important scientific type got summoned to "Have a chat" with the Big Guy.  seems the scientist clamed that he could indeed generate life spontaniously.  The Big Guy said please explain.  The scientest said I will do you one better, I will show you.  He said picking up some dirt and then spitting into his hand, This is how you start...   The "Big Guy"  interupted and said,  "Use your oun dirt that's mine". Whereupon the scientist's mouth went dry.
Jim

[williamlayton]

Cabin
What did I not address? Real question.
What did you not understand about the KKK and the White Citizens Councils?
What did you not understand about Jim Crow laws?
What do you not understand about Minorities haveing to rebel to get freedom--it was forced on them--they were not at liberty to intergrate into society.
The Largest Home builder in Houston for 25 years was a trio of men, one of who was a black CPA and was CFO.
Hyporisy? Are you calling ME a hypocrit? On what basis do you address that?
Am I perfect? Not by a long shot. I call things as I see them.
What I see you and IMG doing is not recognizing that Blacks make contributions. I also maintain that you fail too see that there are failures in all races.
There are also successes.
Better than is not a question--the question is equal to the task.
Blessings 

[Tommyt]

Its 3 am and I'm up due to reading all 7 pages so Now I'll reply later this morning when I'm awake 
This so far has been one of the best that hasn't gone from sour to Bitter and LOCK 
I applaud all
Till tomorrow ! 

[AtlLaw]

I AM VERY PROUD OF WHAT I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED!!!
LONGTOM

And well you should be old friend!   A man accepting responsibility for his actions in life, indeed a man acting like a man is rare nowadays.

[beerbelly]

So how do we eradicate poverty, create jobs in the inner city, encourage people to marry, get kids to attend school, improve the schools, and make the area safer?  Are you suggesting we need to raise taxes and put more money into the inner cities of America?


NO, we need to end their welfare. You seem to believe this has been done. Not so! Mama has a dozen or so kids, gets ADC on each and every one of them. Gets food stamps , amount dependant on number in house hold. Kids are fed in school. Lives in section eight housing. Gets help with power , and heating bills.
    Sense no one works they have plenty of time to sell dope and plan their next robbery.
   saw a spot on the news where they were showing this poor black woman that was homeless, When they asked her how she became homeless she said that her kids had all got grown and they cut off her check! She had been living on welfare for over forty years!!!
                                    Beerbelly

[powderman]

I AM VERY PROUD OF WHAT I HAVE ACCOMPLISHED!!!
LONGTOM

And well you should be old friend!   A man accepting responsibility for his actions in life, indeed a man acting like a man is rare nowadays.

YEP, agreed Sir. POWDERMAN. 

[williamlayton]

+1 LT

What I am seeing in print is that some do not acknowledge that:
In some amount, this welfare dependancy is partly laid at the feet of old line democrats (Dixiecrats)--Now don't say nobody forced them. In fact some of these programs were designed to keep them enslaved and out of mainstream America.
Many, across the line of race, culture are addicted to welfare.
I defy you to seperate the culture of any who are welfare addicted to a particular race.
Many blacks do not want to be welfare reciepients---many whites would prefer that they be and keep the competition away from being a white only perogitive.
Blessings
   

[Cabin4]

Cabin
What did I not address? Real question.
What did you not understand about the KKK and the White Citizens Councils?
What did you not understand about Jim Crow laws?
What do you not understand about Minorities haveing to rebel to get freedom--it was forced on them--they were not at liberty to intergrate into society.
The Largest Home builder in Houston for 25 years was a trio of men, one of who was a black CPA and was CFO.
Hyporisy? Are you calling ME a hypocrit? On what basis do you address that?
Am I perfect? Not by a long shot. I call things as I see them.
What I see you and IMG doing is not recognizing that Blacks make contributions. I also maintain that you fail too see that there are failures in all races.
There are also successes.
Better than is not a question--the question is equal to the task.
Blessings  

William,
You must not be taking your Aricept. I said twice before and I'll say it yet again FOR YOU, NO RACE HAS A MONOPOLY ON SUCCESS OR FAILURE!! This means all the races have success and they all have failures! Your blinded by  an overzealous desire to be a sniffling lap dog for minorities is why you keep ignoring this and charging me with stupid statements of not recognizing the success of blacks. You’re the one that refuses to accept ANY failure on the part of a black individual or their race and you lay all failure on white people. You’re a racists! Your part of the Washington “divide us into groups” crowd. You’re a liar and nothing more than a puppet for the left wing machine that loves to exploit stupid people. Did you read the left wing talking points this morning yet? I Hurry up, you’ll be at a loss for words all day if you don’t!

You don't answer anything William. Your just full of antipodal one liners and your incapable of seeing the border picture that’s being discussed here. I'm done with you. I’m sure there are a few real men around here who want to have an honest discussion about the institutionalized hypocriacy in our government and private institutions I pointed out.

[williamlayton]

Well, we disagree once more.
Ask me one specific question at a time--let's hash that out and move on to the next.
As far as I am concerned I have addressed each objection--obviously in your mind I haven't. let's try this new plan.
Blessings

[sagegrouse715]

Beerbelly:

 Are you suggesting we end all government assistance of people living in poverty?  That this will cause them to work or starve?  That Darwin's theory of  survival of the fittest would apply and we eliminate the lazy from our society?

I have a 5 year old nephew, Joey, who was born with cerebal palsy. My sister-in-law  had to quit working, so she could stay home to care for him as no day care would take him.  My brother-in-law started getting up at 3 a.m. to do a paper route before he went to his full time job to help make up for the family income loss.  He physically can not keep it up.  Joey doesn't sleep well.  He wakes up after a few hours and disrupts their sleep.  My brother-in-law's employer only pays for his insurance.  It costs $20,000/year for the rest of the family with a $5,000 deductible.  Joey is often sick and has to go into the hospital.  His power wheelchair costs $15,000.  They had to get get a van with a ramp.  They had to get a ramp into the house and change door openings.  My brother-in-laws gross pay is $65,000 a year.  That would be good if not for the expenses.  Should there not be help for Joey?  What is his life to be like?  Or should we just let him die?

Are you suggesting our free enterprise system be like India's?  They have millions of highly educated, motivated people who have taken jobs from U.S workers.  This week I called Epson for printer help.  Guess what, I get someone in India.  India has no welfare.  An acquaitance of mine recently was in India.  He said he was swarmed by mobs of child beggars when he walked the streets.  One kid without legs dragged himself after him for several blocks with his hand out and a smile on his face.  Is this the answer to make America better?

[Cabin4]

I rather talk to the wall. It's more likly to give me an honest answer. Bill Cosby is way ahead of you.

[beerbelly]

sagegrouse715, You are talking about a disabled person, not some lazy SOB that wont work. There is a huge difference! I have a cousin with cerebral palsy, he gets SS disability. Do I begrudge him that ? NO!
   I am talking about people that are able but, just wont work! Are there some black's out there that should be getting help? Yes, but 99% of them should not!
                                        Beerbelly

[sagegrouse715]

Beerbelly:

Thanks for clarifying your stance for me.  I am sure there are people who are fraudulent and working the system.  I believe people who can work should be providing for themselves.  I disagree with the 99%.

[DDZ]

It used to be local communities, friends, churches, and giving people took care of the truly needy people. Then came government that said we want more of your money so we can take care of needy people. With government's inability to do anything right, we have thousands riding on the backs of the evil white rich people, that have no business doing so. Welfare becomes a way of life for many people that are physically able to work. I guess it is so much easier to just hold your hand out and say you owe me, than to get a job and wake up to an alarm clock every mourning.
I just love it when one of the news stations runs a story about a single black women, that weighs 300 pounds and is depicted as being one of the poor black people in America. This might be the only country that you can be 150 pounds over weight and have the poor label stamped on you. I'm sure this poor obese women had a tv with cable hook-up and a cell phone. We have many physically able to work, career welfare recipients, that have no desire to support themselves. On top of that they vote money out of the givers pockets. The problem with welfare is that one day the givers are going to run out of money.

In another post someone mentioned blacks voted for Obama because he is black. I don't buy into the fact that blacks voted for Obama because of his race. Back in 1996 when Alan Keyes sought the republican presidential nomination. Where were all the blacks in support of Keyes? There were none. The difference was Keyes didn't tell everyone that he was going to give them everything they want or need, by taking it from the evil white rich guys.  

On another note. I just read an article about a local high school boy who attended a high school basketball game. He wore an Obama mask and was carrying a KFC bucket. Now I really don't see any harm in this, after all it is known that many blacks like chicken. So what.  Well this kid is in a heap of trouble, the NAACP got involved. The school had to apologize. The kid will undoubtedly have to endure diversity training, and who knows how this kid will be punished. The fact is it was a harmless joke, that I bet bought smiles to many faces. If the kid was black and making fun of white people nothing would have been said.  Our society has become so sensitive anymore that no one can have any fun without offending someone.        

[sagegrouse715]

I would like to think the school officials would have not let the kid into the game looking like that or have ejected him from the gym.  It was racially inflamatory.  There have been high school games that have become brawls.  Yeah, society is more sensitive or people are tired of being the butt of derisive jokes.  Where are grew up there we lots of Polish jokes.  We don't tell them anymore.  We found out that Polish people didn't like them or being refered to as dumb Polacks.

[DDZ]

Maybe some people need to grow some thicker skin and quit complaining about every little thing that upsets them. People need too just shut their mouth and ignore what they don't like. But no, they can't do that we have to have a zero tolerance society.

[45-70.gov]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1sJDhJ-6iE

is  his  man  a racist???

he  sure  attacks  ''black  culture''

why  is  he  not considered  a black  leader??

[Cabin4]

He's preaching to some of the people on this thread.

[sagegrouse715]

He is a convicted felon who is a crackpot.

[Cabin4]

He is a convicted felon who is a crackpot.

So was Van Jones but that did not seem to keep him from being held in high asteem by the black community. In fact, he was Obama's so called Green Czar until his past caught up with him and he was forced to resign. Al Sharpton should have been convicted of a felony in the Brawley case but because os PC, it was never pursued in criminal court. He was convicted in a civil trial for his actions and lost big.

Setting aside the noise, there is some truth. In any case, I don't think that commting a crime automaticaly makes you a liar or crackpot. If it does, then all felons should never be let out of jail.

[sagegrouse715]

Jones was connected to some extreme liberal groups but he wasn't a judicated felon.

[45-70.gov]

He is a convicted felon who is a crackpot.

why  is  it  you  know  this?

what  about ted kenedy ..what  came  of  the secretary charges?

you  say  is opinion  is irrelevant ?

other  than being  a klinton  supporter  i agree  with manning

he  sees the  root of  black  problems

ABSENCE  OF FATHERS