Author Topic: Recommended Smiths for stubbing (Read 1227 times)

Atlasarmory · « **on:** January 14, 2010, 02:30:51 PM »

Would anyone like to offer up a recommendation for a smith to do a barrel stubbing. have a 410 as a doner and a .32 green moutain barrel on the way plan to do a 32 hr Mag

Couger · « **Reply #1 on:** January 14, 2010, 02:46:34 PM »

Sounds like fun, but do a .327 Federal Magnum instead!

Check out the case dimensions of both rounds - dimensions are ALL identical except for length.

SAAMI spec is 1.075 inches for maximum length of the .32 H&R, but 1.200 inches for the .327 Mag.

By having your rifle chambered to .327 Magnum you would be able to shoot that round, but also the .32 H&R, the .32 S&W Long, and whatever others ...... that have the same rim diameter and thickness, case diameter, etc.

As for a smith, no doubt that management here will recommend Wayne York who's located in Pendleton, OR and is a sponsor to this site. Everyone famiuliar with Mr. York says he does good work, and I intend to contact him myself for some project(s)..

Atlasarmory · « **Reply #2 on:** January 14, 2010, 02:53:29 PM »

I was considering the 327 but was a little concerned with bullet jump with the shorter cartridges. So I figured the 32 Mag would be a good compromise. I could still go shorter without too much bullet jump with the 32sw. Or hand load the 32hr hot to get closer to 327 performance

Datil · « **Reply #3 on:** January 14, 2010, 04:54:44 PM »

I would go for the 327Mag. It be justabout like the 357 Maxie, shoot 38 spl and 357 Mag as good as ever..
Just my opinion. Datil

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2010, 02:43:43 AM »

Quote from: Datil on January 14, 2010, 04:54:44 PM

I would go for the 327Mag. It be justabout like the 357 Maxie, shoot 38 spl and 357 Mag as good as ever..
Just my opinion. Datil

Exactly. I fully intend to have a .327 mag for the above stated reasons, But I am gonna have a hornet rebored instead of a stub. Wayne will prolly get the work.

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2010, 03:39:24 AM »

Atlasarmory,

Read up on the .357Mag to .357Max and the accuracy here on this site before making a final decision.
But either way Wayne York gets the votes here.

Couger · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2010, 03:58:26 AM »

In my first post I forgot to add a couple other details and facts about the .327 Mag .....

The .327M operates at 44K psi or cup, the same as the .30 Carbine (which is 1.290in long - SAAMI).

This new round can also be bored to .308 caliber instead of .311.

A check on T/C barrels available in .327Mag, .32-20Win, as well as .30 Carbine - ALL come in .308 caliber.

I am not bothered by this as I'd rather shoot the .308 projectiles in a singleshot riffle.

Also .327M ammo and brass is VERY HARD to acquire given present market conditions and manufacturing of all ammo "flavors," altho MidwayUSA is reporting ammo should be available in March, if not before.

Of course .32H&R brass is easily found, but that round operates at 28K units of pressure (vs 44K).

I have been studying these ALL of these rounds because I want a T/C barrel in the .327Mag.

I even considered trying to swage 7.62X38R brass into a "rimmed" .30Carb casing (sort of) and acquired some of that rare brass (7.62X38R Mosin-Nagamt), but a .308 cal .327Mag is a much easier solution!

Also plan on using 100 and 110 grain .30cal plinker bullets, but 125's and 130's too. Plus .32-20 or .312-cast boolits can be swaged to .309 cal, too.

The overall idea is to create a reloadable SmGame or scrounging set up that can operate at low to medium pressures.

trotterlg · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2010, 12:55:59 PM »

I've made up at least two 327 Mags, one chroated for cast bullets and one for jacketed. I don't know who has them now, but they will probably chime in and tell you how they shoot with the shorter 32 H&R Mag rounds. Larry

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2010, 12:07:35 AM »

A 357 barrel shooting 38 Specials is a good small game round. I know it is not a .312, but the cost of the barrel would be considerably less and the brass is easier to find. I shoot 148 grain wad cutters in 38 Special cases at about 900 fps and it does a good job on small critters around the house. The wad cutters are not expensive either and it sips just 3 grains of Bullseye. It is about as quiet as it gets with out a silencer on it to boot. Just some thing to consider - of course it does not have any WOW factor. Good Luck and Good Shooting

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2010, 03:05:56 AM »

You are absolutly correct LaOtto. But.... I have three .357s handies however I don't have a .32.

I don't think Quick dose nedder,

I don't think I'll ever have as many handies as he dose but maybe I can have one he don't.

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 16, 2010, 03:20:03 AM »

There you go

You can't put a price on "I want one" or "I got one and you don't"

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #11 on:** January 16, 2010, 06:07:59 AM »

he he he

quickdtoo · « **Reply #12 on:** January 16, 2010, 06:22:31 AM »

BrianB · « **Reply #13 on:** January 16, 2010, 10:10:21 AM »

Does anyone here know how much the stub would cost? (Not including the .32 and .410 barrel) I've toyed with the idea for a while.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2010, 10:31:07 AM »

Stubs done by gunsmiths will cost $250-$300 plus the cost of donor parts, site sponsor Oregunsmithing charges $300.

Tim

http://home.earthlink.net/~oregunsmithing/

cwlongshot · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2010, 02:25:10 PM »

These new(er) 32 calibers are cool and all, but for a carbine/rifle, what wouldn't you just go 32/20. It "been there and done that" for something like the past hundred years.

Anything ballistically you could hope to do with the Lil H&R or the newer Federal round can be exceeded with the 32/20.

Screaming 60 grain pills..yup Its even got better powder cap to move a 125/130 grain projectiles to above 1600fps. (With judicious loads exceeding most loading manuals in star-line cases.)

The 32/20s one downfall in modern firearms is not an issue for you, its the rifling twist. You will be choosing your own barrels so its twist rate totally up to what you choose.

Just saying....

CW

dangerranger · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2010, 02:56:29 PM »

I just ordered the parts to do one for myself, and the parts alone were over $150. [ I already had the stub]. so $300 doesnt sound out of line at all.

trotterlg · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2010, 03:29:03 PM »

A 32 is about the cheapest stub you can do. A gun parts Inc 303 takeoff barrel for $12.00, a stub and some machine work and you have it. They are my favorite to do, once you have the barrel in the stub, you can make anything from a 32 ACP to a 32-20, if you do them in the right order you can just rechamber it over and over again moving up. Larry

dangerranger · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2010, 10:58:36 PM »

Larry, What did you use for the ejector on your 32s? Ive got a good sized piece of 308 barrel, and 32 20 is on my list of wants. for the 9mm I used an ejector from a 223. DR

trotterlg · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2010, 05:25:15 AM »

I have used both the .223 and Hornet ejectors slightly modified. Larry

lee1954 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2010, 06:27:10 AM »

I use to have the address of a page that had all the pressures if each cartridge..can't find it..
But the 32-20 looks like it would be a nice topper barrel. am I close? Dan

cwlongshot · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2010, 06:36:50 AM »

Quote from: lee1954 on January 17, 2010, 06:27:10 AM

I use to have the address of a page that had all the pressures if each cartridge..can't find it..
But the 32-20 looks like it would be a nice topper barrel. am I close? Dan

The 32-20 is very lite.. like 16k cup. But even hot loaded its within the safe range of SB1 or pre '86 H&R's.

http://www.lasc.us/SAAMIMaxPressure.htm

CW