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Offline wreckhog

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If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« on: December 23, 2009, 04:12:31 PM »
I figure that I'll reload almost 100% for the Whelen, so I can try 158 grain pistol bullets, cast, whatever, down to 38 Special power and 310 grain Woodleighs up to elephant gun power. So why would I need a Max?

Should be good for whitetails out to a bazilliuon yards.
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2009, 04:20:51 PM »
Not really unless you want to shoot 38 spcl and don't have a 357mag, and where would the fun be in only having the Whelen!!  ;D

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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2009, 04:26:42 PM »
Because you can load the max round using carbide dies, alot faster than loading the Whelen
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2009, 05:07:58 PM »
Quote from: rockrat on December 23, 2009, 04:26:42 PM
Because you can load the max round using carbide dies, alot faster than loading the Whelen
A 250 grain Nosler partition out of the Whelen still has 1600ft-lbs+ of energy at 500 yards. That beats the Max at the muzzle. Since the Max is a 200 yard deer cartridge, I think makes a Whelen a 700+ yard deer cartridge.....lol

Yet is still qualifies as a primitive weapon in some places.

Never gonna be a brass shortage so long as 1x fired 30-06 is 10 cents per.

Always gonna be a tradeoff.
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2009, 05:49:15 PM »
What does need got to do with it???
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 07:19:15 PM »
People have reported 35 Whelen case shortening when lots of light loads are fired.  The repeated firing pin impact drives the case against the chamber shoulder, gradually shortening it.  The firing pressure is not enough to expand the case fully.

An old American Rifleman article told of a group of squirrel hunters who had this problem with their 35 Whelens using lightly loaded pistol bullets.  Rechambering to the improved version, with a larger, sharper shoulder, stopped the problem.

A rimmed cartridge would work even better for light loads.

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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2009, 12:52:26 AM »
Useing that logic, we could go back to the 1700s, when a 20 ga. trade gun did it all.  No need for anything else, not much fun either ;)  Handis are like mountains....ya gotta do it cause they're there.

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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2009, 01:06:18 AM »
Nah, just thinking the Whelen outmaxes the Max. Primitive weapon good for squirrels in the backyard to deer at 700 yards to the occasional grizzly or lion.
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2009, 02:57:28 AM »
Not have both?  You're sick! You need to see a handi doctor quick, Like maybe Dr Quick HMD. ;D
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2009, 04:33:40 AM »
of course you need a 35 Whelen and a 357 mag....what are you thinking?
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2009, 01:01:32 PM »
I can add nothing.  Other than if you have the Whelen, you HAVE to get the 357.  It's another one of "Pete's Laws". ;) ;D  DP
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2009, 02:41:31 PM »
DP, Amen Brother.  For some reason, still undefined, it seems ya gotta have at least two.  A bunch of us do, and still more have them made into .35 Rem. etc. 

Ifn ya don't git one, ya can't come up on the porch n spin yarns with us.......so there. ::) ::)  Take that. >:( >:(

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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #12 on: December 24, 2009, 02:43:35 PM »
Yes I need both! Repeat this over and over and over
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2009, 02:53:29 PM »
Having a 357 is so important, the government ought to issue them.......funnest gun I ever owned.
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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2009, 03:10:42 PM »
Quote from: mechanic on December 24, 2009, 02:53:29 PM
Having a 357 is so important, the government ought to issue them.......funnest gun I ever owned.

That's FUNNY ;D ;D  Can't ya just see Obama up there with a whole bunch of Congressmen and Senators passing out Handi .357s.....I gotta luv it........I'd be in line.

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Re: If I get a 35 Whelen, do I need a 357 Max?
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2009, 03:26:25 PM »
Pete, me to. ;D   Doug
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