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Offline jcn59

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Torture ?
« on: December 23, 2009, 05:43:23 AM »
Medal of Honor
Recipient
Bud Day
Speaks of Torture


I got shot down over N Vietnam in 1967,
A Sqdn. Commander.   
After I returned in 1973...I published 2 books that dealt a lot with "real torture" in Hanoi . 
Our make believe president is branding our country as a bunch of torturers when he has no idea what torture is.
 
As for me, put thru a mock execution because I would not respond... Pistol whipped on the head...same event.. 
Couple of days later... Hung by my feet all day.
I escaped and a couple of weeks later,
I got shot and recaptured. 
Shot was OK...what happened afterwards was not.
 
They marched me to Vinh...put me in the rope trick, trick...almost pulled my arms out of the sockets.
Beat me on the head with a little wooden rod
Until my eyes were swelled shut,
And my unshot, unbroken hand a pulp.
 
Next day hung me by the arms...
Rebroke my right wrist...
Wiped out the nerves in my arms
That control the hands...
Rolled my fingers up into a ball. 
Only left the slightest movement
Of my L forefinger. 
So I started answering
With some incredible lies.
 
Sent me to Hanoi
Strapped to a barrel of gas
In the back of a truck.
 
Hanoi..
On my knees....
Rope trick again.. 
Beaten by a big fool. 
 
Into leg irons on a bed in Heartbreak Hotel.
 
Much kneeling--hands up at Zoo.
 
Really bad beating
For refusing to condemn
Lyndon Johnson.
 
Several more kneeling events. 
I could see my knee bone
Thru kneeling holes.
 
There was an escape from the annex to the Zoo.  I was the Senior
Officer of a large building because of escape....they started a mass
Torture of all commanders.
 
I think it was July 7, 1969...they started beating me with a car fan
Belt.  In first 2 days I took over 300 strokes...then stopped counting
Because I never thought I would live thru it.
 
They continued day-night torture to get me to confess to a non-existent
Part in the escape..  This went on for at least 3 days.  On my knees....
Fan belting...cut open my scrotum with fan belt stroke.  Opened up
Both knee holes again.  My fanny looked like hamburger...I could not
Lie on my back.
 
They tortured me into admitting
That I was in on the escape...
And that my 2 room-mates knew about it.
 
The next day I denied the lie.
 
They commenced torturing me again
With 3- 6- or 9 strokes of the fan belt
Every day from about July 11 or 12th..
To 14 October 1969. 
I continued to refuse to lie
About my roommates again.
 
Now, the point of this
Is that our make-believe president
Has declared to the world
That we (U.S..) are a bunch of torturers...
Thus it will be OK to torture us
Next time when they catch us...
Because that is what the U.S. Does.
 
Our make-believe president
Is a know nothing fool
Who thinks that pouring a little water
On some one's face,
Or hanging a pair of women's pants
Over an Arab’s head is TORTURE. 
He is a meathead.
 
I just talked to MOH holder Leo Thorsness,
Who was also in my squadron, in jail...
As was John McCain...
And we agree that McCain does not speak
For the POW group when he claims
That Al Gharib was torture...
Or that "water boarding" is torture.
 
Our president and those fools around him
Who keep bad mouthing our great country
Are a disgrace to the United States . 
Please pass this info on to Sean Hannity. 
He is free to use it to point out
The stupidity of the claims
That water boarding...
Which has no after effect...
Is torture. 
If it got the Arab to cough up the story about how he planned the attack on the twin towers in NYC... Hurrah for the guy who poured the water.
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"Bud" Day, Medal Of Honor Recipient

George Everett "Bud" Day(born February 24, 1925) is a retired
U.S. Air Force Colonel and Command Pilot who served during the
Vietnam War. He is often cited as being the most decorated U.S.   
Service member since General Douglas MacArthur, having
Received some seventy decorations, a majority for actions
In combat. Day is a recipient of the Medal of Honor.

 
 

 
 
 
 
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Re: Torture ?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2009, 07:39:58 AM »
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Our president and those fools around him who keep bad mouthing our great country are a disgrace to the United States.

+1 Colonel Day!

Good post jcn59
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2009, 12:55:37 PM »
good american..

i laugh everytime i hear someone talk of the horrors of gitmo how we savagly tortured the scumbags....

they simply do not have a clue about what they speak.

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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2009, 01:03:12 PM »
Great man, he spoke at my NCO Leadership School graduation.  That's a hand I was proud to shake.
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2009, 01:09:52 PM »
Great man ... not many of his steel left.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2009, 01:18:44 PM »
americans hold the highest respect for life and liberty .thats why some of our leaders are reticent to resort to torture or what they call torture.this will greatly hamper us when dealing with a enemy who has no respect for life and has never experienced true liberty.if i was captured by a enemy who i thought might just spray sum water on my face and then adequately house and feed me my traditional diet as at gitmo. they might catch me jumping for joy.there is no higher sacrifice than what mr day endured for his country! death would of been the easy way out. i salute him and his comrades.we can never repay them but with our respect.

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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2009, 01:20:32 PM »
hillbill:

i can not believe you left out the prayer rugs and the time to pray....christ they never lived that good a life in their homelands.

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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2009, 02:47:00 PM »
american taxpayers purchased those prayer rugs im sure.does that do anything to piss yu off?as well as copys of the koran.from what i have heard, gitmo is slightly more luxurious than where i live now and im perfectly happy here.in fact gittin fat and lazy.if i had sumone to chop wood and clean game id have it bout as good as they do.

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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2009, 03:44:33 PM »
Thanks for posting it.
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2009, 03:54:51 PM »
God  bless you sir !!!!

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2009, 05:22:36 PM »
I suspect Mr Day would have welcomed standing naked with a pair of pink panties on his head. God bless him. POWDERMAN.  :( :(
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Re: Torture ?
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2009, 06:09:28 PM »
I do not agree with torture ethically BUT!!!! I don't think that ethics apply to foreigner combatants either.  Foreign civilians have rights as far as I'm concerned, but militants caught in the act (terrorism or actual military action) have no mercy owed to them.

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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2009, 06:11:09 PM »
amen after the water board and all questions answered take them out and shoot them.

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« Reply #13 on: December 24, 2009, 03:18:39 AM »
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« Reply #14 on: December 24, 2009, 03:31:17 AM »
I've decided that torture is a waste of time on our enemies, except for our home-grown variety.  They are known as Democrats and they are the most dangerous that we have ever had to deal with.
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« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2009, 04:13:52 AM »
Torture is wrong, morally evil, illegal and counterproductive. It's a war crime by Geneva Convention.
If you are ordered to mistreat or torture a captured person, you must refuse to do so.
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« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2009, 06:41:36 AM »
If torture will save one American life then press on.
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« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2009, 06:56:29 AM »
If torture will save one American life then press on.

Be careful Swamper, big brother might haul you in and torture you until you say, "Remington is not the best."  ;) ;D
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« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2009, 07:50:30 AM »
Not gonna happen ;D
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« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2009, 08:26:31 AM »
TM7, I'd noticed the exec order but not the supreme court decision. Good catch!
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2009, 08:27:39 AM »
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