Author Topic: Don't be fooled by republicans (Read 1733 times)

Questor · « **on:** December 22, 2009, 02:33:14 AM »

Remember what got us in this mess: The republicans went hog wild with spending and the public punished them for it. There is no will among republicans or democrats to reduce federal spending. The illusion that it may make sense to vote for a republican in 2010 is a fantasy. The republicans cannot improve upon the current situation because they are just as big a part of the problem as the democrats.

Which would make you feel more foolish?: voting for a democrat knowing what you are going to get, or voting for a republican knowing that you are being deceived into thinking they are an alternative given their recent history of mayem.

The republican party is dead.

magooch · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2009, 04:48:46 AM »

There really is no comparison when it comes to the degree of destructive deficit spending that has been done by Republicans as compared to what the Dumbycrats are doing. And not to excuse the abuses of the Republicans, but their spending wasn't also slamming us into the ditch of socialism.

If your posit that the Republican Party is dead is correct, then God have mercy on us all. Not that the Republicans are apt to get us back to where we should be, but without them trying to stifle the Communist (Democrat) Party we're really screwed.

Questor · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2009, 05:12:28 AM »

I think that's the way it used to be, but recent evidence is that the republicans are just as big in spending as the democrats. I'm not cutting them any slack. Remember: they were killed in the last elections because they deserved to be killed.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2009, 05:24:22 AM »

I dont think the Rep party is dead no more than the dems were dead after Reagan trounced them or when they got ran outa town after Slick wille! Not that they have done anything to make me happy mind you!
But as it seems to go the party in power is the party that has power to loose! The Fools in power now seem to think that Now is the time to make hay and push through leftist agendas because they can. And it is looking like the same thing is happening that happened to the other party they are abusing the trust of the people and will have a price to pay! Now that ive said that, The party in power now is doing things and making new rules that will make it hard to "wash their little mouths out with soap", so to speak!

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2009, 05:27:43 AM »

Remember the Dems took over in 2006 the house and senate. President doesn't do the budgets and spending, he suggests what he wants, but he house and senate has to vote on it. Several Rep's suggested 6 different times, we were headed for trouble in the housing market. McCain was one of them who suggested it, also the Bush administration. But, Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd, were chairmans of their committees. They could have looked into this and suggested something. Bush even said recently he was against the bailouts, but the Fed chairman highly recommended it, so he went along, said he wished he had not gone along.

Questor · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2009, 05:42:34 AM »

In Reagan's day there was a Reagan. (And a Tip O'Neal and a Paul Volcker) Today we have Larry, Moe, and Curly.

The democrats took over congress in 2006 because the public kicked the republicans out for betraying the public trust.

alsaqr · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2009, 06:01:55 AM »

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In Reagan's day there was a Reagan.

Yeah, there sure was a Reagan. Reagan and his handlers decided that the national debt and deficit spending meant nothing. They re-defined conservatism to mean feel good stuff like an amendment to the Constuitution to prevent flag burning, another amendment to prevent gay marriage, etc.

In his first 4 years in office, Reagan doubled the national debt. Ronnie Baby tripled the national debt in 8 years.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2006/pdf/hist.pdf

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The democrats took over congress in 2006 because the public kicked the republicans out for betraying the public trust

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The Republicans in congress ensconced their paymasters, the lobbyists, on K Street in DC so they could be closer to their pocket money. Then they took deficit spending to totally new levels.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2009, 06:32:30 AM »

In 2006, the economy wasn't bad, people were tired of the two wars dragging on. If Bush had gotten rid of Rumsfeld before 2006, and had the surge earlier, Iraq would not have been an issue, and if he had admitted he was fooled by bad information about weapons of mass destruction, although they did find a saran gas manufacturing truck burried, and 11-1/2 tons of uranium material. Of course this was not mentioned on major news networks. Later Israel bombed a nuclear facility in Syria just over the border from Iraq that they denied existed, but didn't retaliate against Isreal for it. Bush in my opinion was a much better president than what we have now.

Alsaqr - Maybe the national debt did rise under Reagan, but the economy rose faster so the percentage of debt was less. I was there. My pay increased dramatically during Reagans administration. I had only myself doing my job for my company. Work increased so much, that they hired another person to help me, and later a third. Home building and commercial building boomed. Industrial production increased. We had a 600 ship navy. Only Reagans popularity got things done, he had a Dem congress. People would write and call them when Reagan made a speach appealing to the American people. Reagan was not a trilateralist, not part of the NWO crowd, not skull and bones, not a Mason. He cut taxes to small business and large business to hire. He started the 401k program. My medical insurance increased benefits and cost me less. Things improved dramatically over the Carter years. Reagans foundation carried into Bush 1 and into Clintons administration even with him trying to mess things up, and it even carried on into Bush 2's until the wars started.

jimster · « **Reply #8 on:** December 22, 2009, 09:31:39 AM »

President doesn't do the budgets and spending,

That is the truth, and the president, no matter who it is, is the least of our problems. 535 people control spending and taxes, and have the ultimate power over ALL the money.

The president can only sign what is in front of him. If he wants something bad enough, they might give it to him...with tons of things THEY want attached to it. Clean up the 500 plus people, you have automatically cleaned up the president...whoever that may be. The president can also be pushed aside with 2/3 vote and things can pass without him.

You will never find "the one"....and if you did...it would not matter without proper representation in congress and the senate. If there are people out there that we can trust...get them in congress pronto...it's our only hope.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #9 on:** December 22, 2009, 09:50:49 AM »

Just heard this afternoon, one of the freshman representatives in my state of Alabama, who was elected Democrat is switching parties because of the health care bill. He is a doctor. Tells you something. Also, of things to come. Remember the Republicans balanced the Federal budget during the Klinton administration and he got the credit. They were also running surpluses, but 9-11-2001 happened and caused a couple of wars. 85% of the bond market was traded in the World Trade Center. Took several months to figure out the mess it left. Terroists knew this. They wanted us to spend money to bring down our country. We may still have to hit Iran if Obama has the guts to do it. I think we can take care of business with the air power and not get bogged down in land wars of occupation. Also by supporting those who support the existing governments. I'm not a die hard Republican. I don't agree with a lot of what they do, such as the patriot act, and spending money we don't have. However, they are much better than the alternative, and maybe we can tug hard enough to lead the country back to the right.

DDZ · « **Reply #10 on:** December 22, 2009, 10:14:47 AM »

Reagan's Dem congress was so giddy over the increase of tax revenues coming in they spent and spent and spent. Even though taxes had been cut the economy was doing so well, tax revenues increased. Its a concept democrats and some republicans can't seem to understand. I doubt we will ever have another Pres. anything like Reagan. Just to many people that want government to handle everything.
If all the voters in the country had the mindset of most of the people here on GB. We wouldn't have public servants, like we do now.

I disagree that the Republicans are the same as the Dem's. Yes, the Republicans spend like the dem's, but sorry I can't compare them to the likes of Obama, Harry Reed, Barney Frank, Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein, etc....A majority of the Democrats are nothing but criminals. Although the way the Republicans have been acting, I no longer want to vote for any of them either. Unless an Allen Keys or Palin type was on the ticket. I'm very disappointed in the republican party as a whole.

Questor · « **Reply #11 on:** December 22, 2009, 10:24:34 AM »

The difference is only a matter of slightest degree, except that one party is dead and the other is in power and without competition.

youthpastorjon · « **Reply #12 on:** December 22, 2009, 12:56:19 PM »

By the time Obama is done with the countries check book, our dollar won't be worth anything. Also, how in the world is Hilary Clinton promising 100 billion dollars for climate stuff and China owns half our country?

torpedoman · « **Reply #13 on:** December 22, 2009, 01:34:01 PM »

If they are in office make then unemployed at your next chance.

beerbelly · « **Reply #14 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:09:33 PM »

If you want to join the real world , you have two chouses republican or democrat. They have the field rigged so that it is impossible for an independent to win. If you like what is happing now vote democrat, If not vote republican.
To vote for an independent that can not win makes no sense.
beerbelly

Dee · « **Reply #15 on:** December 22, 2009, 03:25:09 PM »

Quote from: Dixie Dude on December 22, 2009, 05:27:43 AM

Remember the Dems took over in 2006 the house and senate. President doesn't do the budgets and spending, he suggests what he wants, but he house and senate has to vote on it. Several Rep's suggested 6 different times, we were headed for trouble in the housing market. McCain was one of them who suggested it, also the Bush administration. But, Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd, were chairmans of their committees. They could have looked into this and suggested something. Bush even said recently he was against the bailouts, but the Fed chairman highly recommended it, so he went along, said he wished he had not gone along.

Of course Bush said he was against it. AFTER, "HE" bailed out the auto industry when the entire Congress was against it.
When Clinton left office the governmental debt was 6.6 Trillion dollars. Check out what the debt was from that point onto 2006 under Bush and the Republican controled Congress. Bush has not been surpassed YET, as the spendingest president EVER. Obama will most likely catch him, but he hasn't yet.

JBlk · « **Reply #16 on:** December 23, 2009, 01:58:20 AM »

The problem with all of our representives, be them Republican or Democrat is that they live in different world than the majority of us.Most of them are very wealthy before they ever seek office, and they just don't seem to relate to the problems that the average person faces.They spend more than their annual salary will be, just to get elected and they live far above the standard family.We have allowed them to become professional politicans with all of the perks associated with that position.We need to establish term limits with a maixmum number of terms they are allowed to serve.We need to establish recall procedures based on a fifty one percent majority of the electors of their district, and we need to enforce stricter ethics standards for their offices.

youthpastorjon · « **Reply #17 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:30:32 AM »

Quote from: JBlk on December 23, 2009, 01:58:20 AM

The problem with all of our representives, be them Republican or Democrat is that they live in different world than the majority of us.Most of them are very wealthy before they ever seek office, and they just don't seem to relate to the problems that the average person faces.They spend more than their annual salary will be, just to get elected and they live far above the standard family.We have allowed them to become professional politicans with all of the perks associated with that position.We need to establish term limits with a maixmum number of terms they are allowed to serve.We need to establish recall procedures based on a fifty one percent majority of the electors of their district, and we need to enforce stricter ethics standards for their offices.

Well said!

magooch · « **Reply #18 on:** December 23, 2009, 03:32:39 AM »

I don't care what missteps the Republicans might have done when they had the reins, the answer sure as hell was not what the Dumbycrats have done. All of the rationalizing in the world doesn't change that fact that today's Dumbycrats are socialists at best and some are pure communists. And that is an evil that this country can not survive.

alsaqr · « **Reply #19 on:** December 23, 2009, 04:02:18 AM »

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We have allowed them to become professional politicans with all of the perks associated with that position

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None of these professional political hacks give one hoot for the folks who elected him/her. Republican or Democrat; most of their dirty money comes from the same sources. The movers and shakers who run this country make sure that congress is not going to pass any legislation that adversely impacts their ability to control this nation; so they contribute lavishly to both silly political partys. Wakeup, you are being played for a chump!!!!!

Here is that wonderful conservative Lindsay Graham and that far out liberal Chucky Schumer. Surprise, the vast majority of their filthy money came from the same sources.

http://www.opensecrets.org/races/indus.php?cycle=2004&id=NYS2

Lindsay Graham:

Lawyers/Law Firms $1,584,021 $1,425,771 $158,250
Real Estate $481,970 $467,970 $14,000
Retired $354,138 $354,138 $0
Electric Utilities $294,480 $140,028 $154,452
Leadership PACs $259,000 $0 $259,000
Lobbyists $255,877 $249,924 $5,953
Insurance $219,782 $110,314 $109,468
General Contractors $207,194 $129,194 $78,000
Health Professionals $187,671 $113,171 $74,500
Securities & Investment $174,590 $138,090 $36,500
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $163,119 $70,619 $92,500
Commercial Banks $155,463 $57,313 $98,150
Business Services $147,913 $124,913 $23,000
TV/Movies/Music $146,173 $64,608 $81,565
Misc Business $123,890 $119,276 $4,614
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $117,015 $81,615 $35,400
Misc Finance $109,011 $95,511 $13,500
Textiles $107,550 $85,750 $21,800
Forestry & Forest Products $103,042 $70,792 $32,250
Defense Aerospace $98,600 $29,600 $69,000

Chucky Schumer

Securities & Investment $3,495,060
Lawyers/Law Firms $2,363,373
Real Estate $1,788,896
Commercial Banks $814,249
Business Services $633,275
Misc Finance $622,023
Retired $621,390
Insurance $611,249
TV/Movies/Music $571,385
Accountants $498,030
Health Professionals $405,316
Misc Manufacturing & Distributing $396,599
Computers/Internet $294,700
Hospitals/Nursing Homes $279,638
General Contractors $273,620
Pro-Israel $252,500
Misc Business $233,150
Education $220,100
Retail Sales $217,450
Printing & Publishing $204,400

ironglow · « **Reply #20 on:** December 23, 2009, 05:52:20 AM »

While I am not pleased with the Republican party, to claim the Republicans and Democrats are exactly the same is a case of eiter extreme naivete or intentionally disregarding recent history. I think many of these claims come from disaffected former Democrats who just don't want to admit that Republicans are somewhat closer to the average Joe in the street than Democrats are..

   Like it or not, we are stuck with the 2 party system at least for now, but I submit there are great differences between the two.

  1) Republicans have defended our 2nd amendment over and over, while if they had their way the Democrats would have disarmed us.

  2) Democrats are the chief shakers & movers in the whole, bogus "global warming" scam.

3) Republicans are the ones who have

  A) Which party, when it comes to "illegal aliens" can't seem to understand the meaning of "illegal" ?

B) Which party has a completely corrupt organization (ACORN) taking public funds, doing illegal business and campaigning in a partisan manner for said party ?

C) Which party is now pushing through against the people's wishes, another bogus progream (Obama-care) which will put 1/6 th of our economy under govt control? A program with 'death panels' and care rationing.

D) Which party has voted 100% against this slavery bill and which party has voted 100% for it ?

E) We can refuse to vote..and keep the crooks we have..

Oldshooter · « **Reply #21 on:** December 23, 2009, 06:03:15 AM »

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Anybody with half a brain must realize that the recent HC Bill, to be inflicted on the American citizen, is the work of both parties

That my friend is a crock!!!!!

I see no "republicans" endoorsing this scam. it is a democratic party nightmare, with the head democtrat pushing it to additionally destroy what this country used to be. I will only argue with valid points 7 , and that aint valid.

alsaqr · « **Reply #22 on:** December 23, 2009, 06:54:43 AM »

Arguing about the merits of the Democrat and Republican parties is akin to arguing about virtue among prostitutes.

Dee · « **Reply #23 on:** December 23, 2009, 08:38:49 AM »

Quote from: alsaqr on December 23, 2009, 06:54:43 AM

Arguing about the merits of the Democrat and Republican parties is akin to arguing about virtue among prostitutes.

WOW! What an apropo comparison. If you like prostitutes. Some do it seems.

Casull · « **Reply #24 on:** December 23, 2009, 09:24:00 AM »

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Arguing about the merits of the Democrat and Republican parties is akin to arguing about virtue among prostitutes.

Wow, you think that one up all by yourself? Sure, just ignore several good points/arguments that IG listed just before your post and take the easy "cheap shot" way out. I'm impressed.

Casull · « **Reply #25 on:** December 23, 2009, 09:25:03 AM »

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WOW! What an apropo comparison. If you like prostitutes. Some do it seems.

And some go for the stuff that can't even be sold.

Graybeard · « **Reply #26 on:** December 23, 2009, 09:48:31 AM »

None of us humans are perfect and that most assuredly applies to all politicians. The republican party as a political party sure ain't what it once was but then neither is the dumocraps. I'd love to see both parties fold and go away to be replaced by something else different even if no better.

Still taken as a group folks who are or call themselves republicans are more likely to take the interests of their back home constituents into consideration than are folks who call themselves dumocraps. Not all of course but more of them.

I don't consider our senators to be perfect by any means and they at times do things I'd prefer they not but on roll call votes I've noticed they are darn near 90% in line with the way I'd want them to vote. I can't kick them out over that at least not until someone decides to send me up there. No two of us see every issue the same and no two of us would vote the same on every issue if it was all of us there not the folks who now are. That's just the facts of life. So call it what ya will lessor of two evils or whatever I'll NEVER intentionally allow a greater evil if I can prevent it even if it means taking an evil that is lesser. Until I'm offered a viable and better alternative I'll vote to prevent the greater evil at national levels and try to get better ones moving up the ladder locally so they will one day perhaps be available and viable at national level. Our two senators are in my opinion based on how I'd want them to vote just about as good as I can personally imagine anyone being who isn't me. No one is gonna do it exactly as I would.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #27 on:** December 23, 2009, 10:46:37 AM »

Dont know much about the oldest profession other than what i have seen and read about, and i dont really want to get into a discussion about them but that analogy is appropriate, I guess, since they prove it (at least some do) all the time.

If you dont like who represents you in Washington, change em!!!!

My feeling is that alotta the folks that complain here about whats going on now either voted for obama or made sure he got elected by not voting or voting for a third party candidate that had no chance. Call it what you want!

If you did not see what was coming down the pike if this socialist got elected then you gets what you deserve.

ironglow · « **Reply #28 on:** December 23, 2009, 11:07:00 AM »

  Truth is; next presidential election we will likely have a choice between a Democrat named Obama ..or a Republican named Romney, Paul, Hunter, Palin or Gingrich.

  1) will you vote for the Republican ?

  2) Will you vote for Obama ?

  3) Will you refuse to vote...allowing Obama a better shot at getting re-elected ?

nw_hunter · « **Reply #29 on:** December 23, 2009, 04:50:05 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on December 23, 2009, 11:07:00 AM

Truth is; next presidential election we will likely have a choice between a Democrat named Obama ..or a Republican named Romney, Paul, Hunter, Palin or Gingrich.

  1) will you vote for the Republican ?

  2) Will you vote for Obama ?

  3) Will you refuse to vote...allowing Obama a better shot at getting re-elected ?

Prob. more like...........The Reverend Huckster,or the Grinch! Two New world order neocons.
You don't for one minute actually believe the RNC would allow Ron Paul to oppose Obammy, do you?

As to , who I would vote for! I would vote for the Republican, if HE was a true conservative, but without Paul in the picture, you would have to go back to Barry Goldwater to find a Conservative in the Republican party.

I will vote for someone who is a Constitutionalist! I doubt "THE PARTY" (Republidem) will give us such a choice.