What is the relationship between recoil reduction and LOP?

[briannmilewis]

We all know that bullet weight, velocity, powder charge and rifle weight effect recoil the most, and I also know that increasing or decreasing the LOP effects recoil.

Trouble is, I cant find anything definitive like:      +1" LOP reduces recoil by x%.

Anybody know?

[skarke]

I really don't see how length of pull will alter recoil, except that longer pull length adds stock weight.  What does affect felt recoil is drop.  That is why the radical Weatherby stocks are out of favor now, replaced by Brownell's classic design that he made for Bill Ruger's rifle.  Less drop equals straighter recoil, thus less felt recoil.  Look at most new rifles and you'll see what im talking about.

[TxGun]

We all know that bullet weight, velocity, powder charge and rifle weight effect recoil the most, and I also know that increasing or decreasing the LOP effects recoil.

Trouble is, I cant find anything definitive like:      +1" LOP reduces recoil by x%.

Anybody know?

There is no such formula for LOP that I've ever heard about. That said, LOP, stock shape, type of pad, and the fit of the stock to the shooter all have a significant impact on felt recoil. All those in addition to caliber and those things you already mentioned, of course. If a stock "feels right" to you, you are getting close, but some things in the shooting game just come with experience. Another (obvious) point...each person reacts to recoil differently. Some folks think a .223 "kicks". Some folks don't really mind a .458 Lott...they will notice it, but they just don't get overly concerned about it. I think that part is simply mind-set...but that's JMO.    

[peternap]

We all know that bullet weight, velocity, powder charge and rifle weight effect recoil the most, and I also know that increasing or decreasing the LOP effects recoil.

Trouble is, I cant find anything definitive like:      +1" LOP reduces recoil by x%.

Anybody know?

There is no such formula for LOP that I've ever heard about. That said, LOP, stock shape, type of pad, and the fit of the stock to the shooter all have a significant impact on felt recoil. All those in addition to caliber and those things you already mentioned, of course. If a stock "feels right" to you, you are getting close, but some things in the shooting game just come with experience. Another (obvious) point...each person reacts to recoil differently. Some folks think a .223 "kicks". Some folks don't really mind a .458 Lott...they will notice it, but they just don't get overly concerned about it. I think that part is simply mind-set...but that's JMO.    

Yep...every action has an opposite but equal reaction. Recoil is recoil.
A stock that fits helps manage the recoil and stock shape is a big part of recoil direction, but the recoil force is the same.

I have two 500 revolvers. The Smith kicks straight into my arm and is not my favorite gun to shoot but my BFR, which is roughly the same size and weight,  rolls up. It is a dream to shoot (I also don't have to worry about the cylinder popping open ). The design just directs recoil better and it's the same with my 45/70 BFR. The 45 LC /410 is like shooting a 22.

[Squib]

peter is a cheater 


he's not getting the recoil because he's got no stock, his arm just flies away. 


for me, it seems that a stock that is lined up with the sights is just right, if I have to press my cheek into the stock really hard to get "in the scope" then I'm gonna feel it in my face when I touch off a round.  same for a stock to low, it's gonna pop me in the chin and jaw.  as for the length of pull... I think it depends on your grip style too.  you're gonna need a different length of pull for different types of grips.  I think a longer LOP is good for a standard rifle, but a short LOP for a pistol grip type stock.

[Spanky]

+1 on what Squib said.
My Ruger 35Whelen with the "all weather" stock is very comfortable to shoot with straight back recoil. I had a Sig Sauer 308 that would smash your face every time you shot it. The comb was a bit lower on the Sig and it would recoil up and into your face. I hated that gun and sold it after 1 season.



Spanky

[Chas.]

I have two 500 revolvers. The Smith kicks straight into my arm and is not my favorite gun to shoot but my BFR, which is roughly the same size and weight,  rolls up. It is a dream to shoot (I also don't have to worry about the cylinder popping open ). The design just directs recoil better and it's the same with my 45/70 BFR. The 45 LC /410 is like shooting a 22.

Glad someone else has noticed that besides me.  My BFR is actually easier on me than my 45-70 rifles.  In the process of rolling up, my arm acts as a shock absorber.  With a rifle, my whole torso gets tossed.