Author Topic: Federal 170 Grain or Remington 170 Core lokt-30-30 MARLIN (Read 4148 times)

streak · « **on:** December 06, 2009, 02:14:50 PM »

Have any of you had experience in using the Federal 170 grain( Nosler Partion) as opposed to the 170 grain Rem Corelokt?
I had purchased a few boxes of the Federals a couple of years ago and and sighted in my Model 336 with these Federals. I plan on using the 30-30 on whitetails this month and since the rifle is already
sighted in with the Federals I was planning on using them for the whiteails. Normally in my other caliber guns I normally use the Rem corelokt`s. So was just wandering if anyone has used these Federals on whitetails and welcome any comments you might have.

Swampman · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2009, 02:37:58 PM »

I love the 170 grain Core-Lokt.

Deer do not require a premium bullet. If fact I think they are inferior to the Core-Lokt.

Keith L · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2009, 02:40:34 PM »

The 170 grain Federal Premiums do an outstanding job in my Marlin. The shoot sub MOA and drop deer with the best of them. I stocked up by shopping the sales after deer season, and have plenty for the rest of the time I am likely to hunt.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #3 on:** December 06, 2009, 02:49:41 PM »

?
I am at a loss.
If the rifle is already sighted in with the Fed ammo and you have some for the hunt....
I would use it for this hunting season.
If you want ot go to the Remintons then I would do so after the end of this season, or when i was down to the last 1/2 Box of the Federals. Although My father and I shared a box of 180 grain Win Soft points for 5 years only using them for deer hunting. So a 1/2 Box could last you a few years of one or two deer a year.
Guess you could be in a State like NC where you allowed 6 Deer a year.
Good luck on your hunt.

streak · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2009, 04:57:26 PM »

mcwoodduck,
Thanks for the reply!
I got a good deal on these Federals a couple a years ago, and was planning on using them this season.
So was just rying to find out if anyone had experience with these on whitetails ,good or bad,
Looks like Keth L has used them and likes`em!!

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #5 on:** December 06, 2009, 07:00:35 PM »

Streak,
With the 30-30 being a Deer gun, all the ammo produced for it is designed for game at moderate ranges.
All the 30-30 guns out there are sporting guns and do not have target versions. The Ammo companies would not load anything that would not work well on Deer, bear, moose, and elk in the 150 -170 grain range. Bad proformance in key rounds like the 30-30 would hurt the ammo companie's sales.
I have a 14" 30-30 contender and have a 10" tube on the way. I have been playing with the different loadings to get used to the recoil. Everyone keeps telling me to use the 125 grain bullets for deer. i have been playing with the 170's and tried a few 150's. I like how the heavier bullets out of my 308 work on deer and figure the 30-30 would be the same way. i think of the 125's as coyote rounds. but guys here swear by them for deer. I tried all kinds of new bullet designs in the early 90's for my rifle and settled back on the 180 Core loc's as they knock deer down, where some of the higher velocity and pointy bullets just zipped through with out knocking down the deer. I went heavy, i went High tech, I went light and all killed deer but at higher cost. I guess it is like everyone tells you. Shot placement is the key.
good luck with your hunting, post pictures.
McDuck.

Swampman · « **Reply #6 on:** December 08, 2009, 02:55:29 AM »

I always choose the heavier bullets. They are more accurate and retain velocity better. The ongoing attempts to magnumize leverguns show a lack of levergun understanding IMO.

Use them and love them for what they are.

streak · « **Reply #7 on:** December 08, 2009, 04:32:58 PM »

I second the use of the heavier bullets!
In past years when using either the 30-06 or .308 always used the 180 gr R.N Corelokt and 99.9% of the time it was a bang flop episode. So I hope to see the same results with the 30-30 in 170 grain.
Mcwoodduck, keep us posted on how that 10" 30-30 barrel performs.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2009, 05:50:05 AM »

Sent the check off last week.
With the Holidays i am not expecting it quickly.
But I will have 8 months to play with it before deer season starts again.

Tonk · « **Reply #9 on:** December 09, 2009, 06:04:23 AM »

Streak, they are both very good bullets and I will give the edge to the Federal as far as leaving a blood trial in the woods or fields goes. Yes, you don't need a premium bullet for killing deer but if your hunt takes you out West or your spending big buck to get a trophy Buck, then I would opt for the Nosler Partition bullet.

Swampman · « **Reply #10 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:47:45 AM »

It's too tough for deer.

av-doctor · « **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2009, 01:00:48 PM »

mine doesn't like any 170gr i only use win 150 pp shoot great out of my 30as

Coyote Hunter · « **Reply #12 on:** December 11, 2009, 08:57:20 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 09, 2009, 07:47:45 AM

It's too tough for deer.

Horse puckey. The 170g Partition RN is one of two bullets I use in my .30-30 for hunting - the other is the Speer 170g FN.

Both expand just fine at .30-30 impact velocities.

Keith L · « **Reply #13 on:** December 11, 2009, 01:51:45 PM »

I was a little surprised at that as well. They have always worked for me, so I was hoping the Wisconsin deer wouldn't find out the bullets were to tough...

Swampman · « **Reply #14 on:** December 11, 2009, 01:58:24 PM »

The Speer is ok. The Core-Lokt is better.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #15 on:** December 11, 2009, 02:48:05 PM »

For those that don't know Swampthing Bleeds Remington Green and gold.
So even if something is better than the remington (and Swamp don't get your panties in a wad I am not saying it is) he will spout off about Remington.

Swampman · « **Reply #16 on:** December 11, 2009, 03:05:53 PM »

For deer and hogs I don't believe there is anything better. The Nosler Partition is great for moose, elk, and the larger bears.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #17 on:** December 11, 2009, 04:28:07 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 09, 2009, 07:47:45 AM

It's too tough for deer.

If your trying to see if every post you make is stupider than the last, i'd say your succeeding!

DM

Swampman · « **Reply #18 on:** December 11, 2009, 04:44:27 PM »

Personal attacks violate the forum rules......except when they are against me.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #19 on:** December 11, 2009, 04:47:55 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 11, 2009, 04:44:27 PM

Personal attacks violate the forum rules......except when they are against me.

GOOD, then i'll give you another one... WHY don't you actually try something BEFORE you speak about it, because you obviously don't know CHIT about NP's.

DM

Swampman · « **Reply #20 on:** December 11, 2009, 04:51:55 PM »

I'm not allowed to defend myself. Say anything you like. I'll keep piling them up with my $12.00 a box Core-Lokts.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #21 on:** December 11, 2009, 05:04:54 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 11, 2009, 04:51:55 PM

I'm not allowed to defend myself. Say anything you like. I'll keep piling them up with my $12.00 a box Core-Lokts.

You didn't "answer" my question, is it BECAUSE you can't?

I have shot literally hundreds of NP's, so i know what they will do when they hit an amimal. No ones stopping you from telling us about your VAST knowledge of all the NP's you've used, and i'd love to hear it.

BTW, i tried to buy some 30-30 Corlocks last sat. at Wally World, and they cost a lot more than $12.00 these days.

DM

Swampman · « **Reply #22 on:** December 11, 2009, 05:10:29 PM »

$17.00 and a $5.00 rebate. I don't use Nosler bullets nor will I. If I explain why my post gets deleted.

Drilling Man · « **Reply #23 on:** December 11, 2009, 05:18:32 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on December 11, 2009, 05:10:29 PM

I don't use Nosler bullets nor will I.

BINGO! Then why do you post about something you know NOTHING about?

DM

Swampman · « **Reply #24 on:** December 11, 2009, 05:19:14 PM »

I did use them. I no longer do.

Siskiyou · « **Reply #25 on:** December 11, 2009, 07:06:21 PM »

I have no experience using the Nosler Partition in the 30-30 on deer, but I have used the 165-grain, 308 diameter in the 30-06, and the 140-grain Partition in the 6.5x55 on deer.

I am impressed with the performance of Nosler Partition on deer. I now understand how it works. The bullet is not too hard for deer. The front section opens very rapidly, destroying(killing) a lot tissue, the rear portion penetrates deeper, and exiting in many cases. For me the Nosler Partition has been a bang, flop bullet.

I have been using the Remington C-L in a number of calibers for over fifty years and I have been satisfied with it. If the price was the same I would be using more Nosler Partitions. The 150-grain and 170-grain Remington C-L are accurate in my Marlin. I have stocked up with factory loaded C-L ammunition for my 30-30 and I have a bunch of bulk C-L bullets waiting to be loaded.

I did not get to use it this season, but I carried it for about a week hunting. With all the Remington C-L ammunition I have at hand I chose to buy some of the new 160-grain Hornady flex-tip ammunition. If the numbers are correct it will shoot a little flatter, and harder. When I run the default numbers for the Federal Nosler PT, Remington C-L, and the Hornady Flex-tip in the Sierra Infinity Six program the Hornady bullet shoots flatter, and produces more energy than the other two. Post by successful users convinced me to stock up on the Hornady factory loaded flex-tip. Now I need the deer to cooperate.

I would have no problem hunting with the 170-grain Nosler PT in the 30-30. Folks at Nosler have been in the bullet business for some time now and their bullet is designed to work at 30-30 velocities.

Keith L · « **Reply #26 on:** December 12, 2009, 02:13:56 AM »

THE PERSONAL ATTACKS NEED TO STOP!

I have been waiting for the garbage to stop on its own, like it normally does on this forum. It will stop now or I will lock this thread.

Enough now. Lets play nice.

Mack in N.C. · « **Reply #27 on:** December 12, 2009, 04:32:47 PM »

i use the fed 170s in my win 94.....great on deer here but i have seen one proble out of my rifle....if i shoot a small deer for meat i had better hit bone or the 170 gr fed just punches right on through them and doesnt expand if you dont hit bone..........i use the rem 150 gr's in my contender barrels....i think the core liks at 13 bucks here........mack

pastorp · « **Reply #28 on:** December 12, 2009, 07:48:29 PM »

Swampman, the nosler partitions do open up quick it's the shank of the bullet that pushes it on through. So too tough no I don't agree, but too expensive I do agree. The core-lokt is my favorite deer bullet too. The price is right and they do the job.

How many moose & elk & big bears you get to shoot there in north florida anyway? When I lived there we had none of those. Before fence laws were passed we did run into some big brahama bulls in the deer woods and one elephant, of course thats a whole nother story.

Regards,

mannyrock · « **Reply #29 on:** December 14, 2009, 05:52:00 AM »

This is a somewhat silly thread. My experience from 40 years of deer hunting is that the Remington 170 grain Core-Lokts in .30-30 are a superb deer round. They are proven and reliable killers. The concept that they are somehow not good enough for deer is simply laughable. I once killed a 240 pounder with one at 180 yards. A one shot kill. It was devastating.

The Nosler Partitions and Barnes are also great rounds, but are simply and absolutely unnecessary for deer. If you like them, great. But don't tell me that they are "better" on deer. Dead is dead.

If for some strange reason I was going to use a .30-30 on moose or elk, then yes I would definitely use the NPs or Barnes. But I'm not, and 999 people out of a 1,000 aren't, so why do we have these foolish debates.

And by the way, I once shot a medium size buck, broadside, high lung shot, at 40 yards, with a .243, loaded with a 105 grain Nosler Partition, and it went clean through with virtually no expansion. I had to trail that deer for almost half a mile with almost no blood trail, and it was alive and still running when I finally killed it, with my .30-30 that I use for tracking, loaded with a Core-Lokt.

Regards,
Mannyrock