257 Roberts?

[dross80]

Not trying to start an argument here, but what does the 257 Roberts give you that you can't get from 243 Win, or 25 06 Rem?

[dross80]

For that matter, what does the Krag get you that you can't get from 308?

[Swampman]

For that matter, what does the Krag get you that you can't get from 308?

A rim

[Swampman]

Not trying to start an argument here, but what does the 257 Roberts give you that you can't get from 243 Win, or 25 06 Rem?

Nothing, I can't understand the attraction for any of the calibers between .244 & .308.

[dross80]

For that matter, what does the Krag get you that you can't get from 308?

A rim

Which has value because of the extraction/ejection problems some of the NEF rifles have?  I'm new to these rifles, that's why I'm asking.

[dross80]

The only one I see is .270.  Great all around big game round - I live in Colorado - and I still plan to get a 308 in AR.  The 6.8 SPC is similar to the 270 and can be used AR style rifles, but it doesn't hit hard enough to use for elk, which the 308 and 270 do.

[Swampman]

A rim to headspace on and to grasp while loadind & unloading greatly improves shootability.

[wreckhog]

What does a blonde do for you that a brunette can't. Or the opposite in Tiger's case.

[dross80]

Sure, more toys are better than less toys.  I get that reason. 

[JASmith]

Not trying to start an argument here, but what does the 257 Roberts give you that you can't get from 243 Win, or 25 06 Rem?

If you already have the .243, the .257 buys a little in the large game department but doesn't have the lighter bullets for varmints.

If you already have the .257, you don't need either the .243 or the 25-06 unless you're looking for the flattest possible trajectory for deer-class game.

If you already have a 25-06 and want to shoot a lot of varmints, get a .223 for the shorter range stuff, but use the '06 for the longest shots.

[dross80]

Not trying to start an argument here, but what does the 257 Roberts give you that you can't get from 243 Win, or 25 06 Rem?

If you already have the .243, the .257 buys a little in the large game department but doesn't have the lighter bullets for varmints.
If you already have the .257, you don't need either the .243 or the 25-06 unless you're looking for the flattest possible trajectory for deer-class game.
If you already have a 25-06 and want to shoot a lot of varmints, get a .223 for the shorter range stuff, but use the '06 for the longest shots.

Exactly, so why get a special order handi for a round for which there are three existing barrels that will do whichever job you want the 257 for?  If you want to shoot varmints and predators, there are three better rounds already available (223, 22-250, and 243) and three better for shooting deer (243, 25-06, and 270).

[Mac11700]

Not trying to start an argument here, but what does the 257 Roberts give you that you can't get from 243 Win, or 25 06 Rem?

If you already have the .243, the .257 buys a little in the large game department but doesn't have the lighter bullets for varmints.
If you already have the .257, you don't need either the .243 or the 25-06 unless you're looking for the flattest possible trajectory for deer-class game.
If you already have a 25-06 and want to shoot a lot of varmints, get a .223 for the shorter range stuff, but use the '06 for the longest shots.

Exactly, so why get a special order handi for a round for which there are three existing barrels that will do whichever job you want the 257 for?  If you want to shoot varmints and predators, there are three better rounds already available (223, 22-250, and 243) and three better for shooting deer (243, 25-06, and 270).

Simple...because a-lot of people just like the 30-40 and the 257 Roberts for what they do along with the nostolga and romance of the cartridges..same for the 45-70.. Varity is the spice of life..[/u] Everyone has different taste and their own justification for their choices..which may or may not make any sense to you..FWIW...It's not always about which one is "better"...or faster..or has better paper ballistics....sometimes folks just like something unique or different..

Mac

[Tallwalker]

Well, I'm an old cast bullet shooter so the .25 calibers are better for me. I also look at what velocities that the available bullets expand at, and find a better selection in .25 than .24. Game will never know the difference for sure probably. Rims are good for some guns, and a problem in others, pick your gun, and get a caliber to match. I also think that part of the reputation of the killing power of the 6.5's, and early 7mm's was due to the fast twist rates common in those guns. I also have this far fetched idea that if there is any such thing as a true "brush" gun it is one with a fast twist, and medium velocity, though I may be way out of line on that. Watch a football sometime though. If it is thrown with a rapid spiral, and gets "ticked" it often settles back down and reaches it's mark. If one is thrown with a very lazy spiral, if it gets "ticked" it careens off course. So, there is some reason, or preference for some calibers that can't be fully justified with ballistics, or glitzy advertising.

[dross80]

Simple...because a-lot of people just like the 30-40 and the 257 Roberts for what they do along with the nostolga and romance of the cartridges..same for the 45-70.. Varity is the spice of life..[/u] Everyone has different taste and their own justification for their choices..which may or may not make any sense to you..FWIW...It's not always about which one is "better"...or faster..or has better paper ballistics....sometimes folks just like something unique or different..
Mac

Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to impugn anyone's choices.  My only point was that if the point is to pull 200 people together with a reasonable shot at getting a new caliber barrel, why not pick a caliber that expands the available options?  Also, I hoped to actually discover why people are interested in certain cartridges, which you explained.  I didn't know the 257 Roberts was an older round.  Any reason anyone has for any personal choice is good enough for me.  Just interested in the discussion.

[Elkoholic]

Words come to mind like:

Nostalgia
Uniqueness
History

Why rebuild a classic car when you can go buy a new one cheaper?
It comes down to personal choice.
Give me a handi-Roberts anyday.  Or a handi-6.5x55 and so on, and so on...
ENJOY!   

Mike

[Swampman]

Nothing more nostalgic or better than the .30-06 if only it had a rim.

[spruce]

I've shot deer with a .25/06 and a .257 Roberts and could see absolutely no difference in their effectiveness.  That said, I no longer have the .25/06 and have shot many more deer with my .257R.  Just happen to prefer it.  It uses less powder, has less recoil, and delivers plenty of killing power.

On top of that, it's parent case (7x57 Mauser) dates back to 1893 so nostalgia has a lot to do with it.

The only reason there are so many calibers available is because we think we need them - and we enjoy the variety.  If we ALL carried a .30/06 we couldn't have discussions like this!

[wganz]

Not trying to start an argument here, but what does the 257 Roberts give you that you can't get from 243 Win, or 25 06 Rem?

Nothing, I can't understand the attraction for any of the calibers between .244 & .308.

Check out the ballistics on the 6.5 Swede. The .264" bullets are very efficient. They're slippery little devils and keep on going like gilded metal Energizer Bunnies.

[buckslayer]

The .257 Roberts is something Ive always wanted.  A Handi in .257 would, IMO be the perfect all around whitetail rifle.

[JASmith]

Nothing more nostalgic or better than the .30-06 if only it had a rim.

Then saddle up a 7.62X54R -- very close to the '06, closer to the .308 Win.

BTW the .348 Winchester has muzzle energy that's close to that of the 30-06 and it has a rim too!

[JASmith]

The .257 Roberts is something Ive always wanted.  A Handi in .257 would, IMO be the perfect all around whitetail rifle.

I think you've got a point.  I got a much better perspective on the .257 in thinking about the articles in http://shootersnotes.com/, although the 6.5 Grendel does as well close-in, and better at longer ranges.

A Handi in the Grendel could also be interesting.

[Swampman]

A Model 700 Classic in .257 Roberts would be awesome.  I don't believe a Handi in any caliber would be the perfect all around deer rifle.

[Fred M]

Nothing more nostalgic or better than the .30-06 if only it had a rim.

Well the 06 has been around for over 100 years with out a rim, only Swampman complains. Who needs a rim? Only the oldies do.

I had a 25-06 Handi and when I loaded it to 25-06 med pressure it stretched the cases real bad. So I backed it up to 25Roberts vel and it worked a lot better. The rifle was only so-so accurate so I swapped barrel for a 223. See my web site. Which I then had rebored to 257 Roberts. Even then the Roberts set the underlug back.

I kept it shooting with Steel putty behind the hinge pin.
Since this rifle is so very accurate I keep it going with putty.

Many deer have been taken with one shot including the big buck this year. I have 4  25 cal rifles and they beat a 243 hands down.
My 25 Hunter has made 29 one shot kills on both deer and Antelope. Since I had the 257R Handi I quit using the 25 Hunter for deer. 

Now as of late I been using a big bore a 9.3x74R Ruger #1 a cartrige made in the early 1900 by RWS in Germany for the Drilling guns and single shot break open rifles, also double rifles for Africa. It shoots a 285gr bullet at 2350 under 50kpsi with factory loads.

[Swampman]

If the .30-06 had a rim it would be a great Handi cartridge.  It doesn't and isn't.  It's the greatest bolt action rifle cartridge....period.

Actually everything between the .223 & the .30-06 is just fluff.  One is the best varmint cartridge and the other is the best everything else in North America cartridge.  After that the .375 H&H is the best cartridge for everything bigger than North American game cartridge.

These 3, a .22, & a 12 gauge do it all.

All else was created just to sell more guns.

[Rustler]

If they offered the Handi in 250 savage or 300 savage ......I would buy one in a heartbeat

[Skunk]

Actually everything between the .223 & the .30-06 is just fluff...after that the .375 H&H is the best...these 3, a .22, & a 12 gauge do it all.

As much as I detest glittering generalities, I have to admit that if one could only have five, those five wouldn't be a bad selection.

[Couger]

"Nothing more nostalgic(?) or better(?) than the .30-06" - if only it had a rim.

Oh really!!??  Does "that" work for you?  





However I would agree a rimmed .30/06 casing would be a good thing, and I'd pay a hefty price to get some if I had to.

BTW, one of the reasons I've never warmed to nor liked the .25/06 is that it does nothing a .270 Winchester can't do (with a 22in bbl), and is so much more grossly overbore than a .270W or even a .280Rem.

Also a .250 Sav and .257 Bob give up NOTHING to the .243W or 6mil Remy - 'cept personal preference.  

ADDED: - and these are just my conclusions .....

every cartridge is a bundle of someone's compromises

and a cartridge casing is not "magic" and nothing more than the powder container and engine that launches the boolit!

[ssjohnnie]

the 257 is very nice but the parent is much better the 7x57 just my two cents

[Mac11700]

If the .30-06 had a rim it would be a great Handi cartridge.  It doesn't and isn't.  It's the greatest bolt action rifle cartridge....period.

Actually everything between the .223 & the .30-06 is just fluff.  One is the best varmint cartridge and the other is the best everything else in North America cartridge.  After that the .375 H&H is the best cartridge for everything bigger than North American game cartridge.

These 3, a .22, & a 12 gauge do it all.

All else was created just to sell more guns.

I see you still at it old friend..you know no ones talking bolt guns here...     

These guys just don't realize just how much you love stirring the pot up 

You did forget 1 of the best in a Handi though..and that being the 30-30 and even you know that's a fact..Hmmmm...that's in between your imaginary line now isn't it..

As far as the 30-06 not being a good one in a Handi..I'll argue that with you or anyone else..It's one of the best ones IMHO to have...and in a few months prove to you why...and FWIW..I will take a 45-70 over any 375 H&H Handi.. anyday of the week and twice on Sunday for that matter

Mac

[Troyboy]

If the .30-06 had a rim it would be a great Handi cartridge.  It doesn't and isn't.  It's the greatest bolt action rifle cartridge....period.

Actually everything between the .223 & the .30-06 is just fluff.  One is the best varmint cartridge and the other is the best everything else in North America cartridge.  After that the .375 H&H is the best cartridge for everything bigger than North American game cartridge.

These 3, a .22, & a 12 gauge do it all.

All else was created just to sell more guns.

                                                             That is the truth    Except for the rimmed part