CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL CITIZEN OF THE USA ?

[Sourdough]

I have been saying this for years and not really able to put it in words well.  Finally someone has and I wanted to share this idea since I feel the same way.    By the way got back from the Moose hunt, no Moose but had a good time.  Rog


CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL CITIZEN OF THE USA ?

REMOVE THE USA AND REPLACE WITH ALMOST ANY OTHER NON MUSLIM COUNTRY IN THE WORLD AND IT STILL REMAINS TRUE....

Can a devout Muslim be an American and a loyal citizen?

I forwarded  that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia  for 20 years.

The following is his forwarded reply:

Theologically, no  Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia .

Religiously, no.  Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Koran, 2:256)

Scripturally, no.  Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Koran.

Geographically, no.  Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially, no.  Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Politically, no.  Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically, no.  Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Koran  4:34)..

Intellectually, no.  Because he cannot accept the Australian Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically, no.  Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Koran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Moslem government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually, no.  Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called Love in the Koran's 99 excellent names." 

Therefore after much study and deliberation .... perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country.  They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans.

Call it what you wish ..... it's still the truth.

If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The religious war is bigger and more complex than most Americans currently know or understand.

[Redhawk1]

Well I agree with you on all of it.

[Dee]

Plus ONE!

[jager]

+2

[Oldshooter]

3

[powderman]

The words American, and muslim should NEVER be used on the same page, let alone in the same sentence. NOOOOOO. POWDERMAN. 

[ms]

Sure can Ms from Dearborn Mi. 

[billy_56081]

Muslim and freedom are exact opposites. I am sure our resident appologist antisemite member will try to defend the muslim animals, and maybe even try to deflect blame onto the Jews. But most normal people can see Islam for the cancerous cult it is.

[Redtail1949]

Oath of Allegience to the United States requires that one denounce allegience to any other Flag, Country, Prince , or Potenate. He swears loyalty to the U.S. before any and all others. If he does not he can not become a citizen. if he did and fails in tha oath he can and should be deported.

[torpedoman]

Islam is not a religion, as we understand religion, it is a way of life

[Redtail1949]

torpedoman:

your right on that. i have no doubt many good muslim people exist here and elsewhere. those that practice their religion but stop short of the parts that require death to infidels that do not convert. but thats the real problem so many do exist and practice the religion to a tee. they are seroius and deadly to others that oppose their beliefs. Islam and Chrisianity just can not exist side by side..not because of the Christians but because of Islam. Christian religions are tolerant of others. that is we do not kill others for their beliefs at least not in moder times. they on the other hand have and will if they have the control and or power wherever they are.

the clash between the two has existed for many centuries and will never end.

[powderman]

The ONLY time muslims say they want peace is when they are NOT in control. The goal of islam, was, is, always will be, the total anhilation of every man, woman, and child who refuses to bow down to satan himself. Islam is a cancer, and should be treated as such. POWDERMAN. 

[bearmgc]

 When a certain fellow in Iran publicly says he wants to eliminate Israel off the map, he essentially says he intends to commit genocide. Nobody in the world responds with action. When the Swiss vote to forbid the building of more Islamic towers, everybody denounces them. They are the only country that has taken ANY action of any kind to limit the power and presence of the cancer of Islam. I fear there will be a retaliation. Do you think any country will come to their aid? This is what the world has become. By definition, as already mentioned, devout muslims cannot be true citizens of any country, so the muslims in America are, in effect liars living in the USA. Yes, that is common sense profiling, based on fact.

[torpedoman]

CRUSADE is not a bad word

[The Hermit]

If you look at what has happened in Europe, the muslims started out staying by themselves. As soon as their population grew and more immigrants arrived, they began pushing for more control. Next, they got politically involved and worked to change laws to reflect their way of thinking.
In the US, they got in congress and the White House. During all this time, their fundamental beliefs have not changed. Sourdough's post is right on the money. They can't be trusted, period.


    The Hermit

[billy_56081]

 

I don't know the answer to the question,,,,maybe for some...maybe not for others.

Tangent question is can a Dual Citizen be a loyal citizen of the USA...??

Can an IFer or a milleniumnist be loyal to the USA...??

...TM7

Just call me the clairvoyant one!!!!!  "The Jews did it". I can't wait until the BBQ.

[P.A. Myers]

There is no such thing as a 'Reformed Islamic Church'. If there was the Orthodox moslems would be obliged to kill them. We must admire the courage of muslims that have accepted Jesus Christ. The mortal risk to them and their families is very real, even in the US. The mullahs are fully aware the information age is bringing the Word to their subjects and the fuse is lit for their destruction. A limp-wristed approach to this will see us slide into the dark ages.  

[Greenbug]

That is a really good post, Sourdough.  This question has probably been on the mind of a lot more Americans since Ft Hood.  Good definitive answer from your friend, and one that i forwarded to all my friends and family.  thanks 

[Scibaer]

no

and the same goes for UK too, they have troubles with them to.

no

[casca1]

When they believe the POPE is the final word ?

JUST my $.02  thoughts

[45-70.gov]

Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL CITIZEN OF THE USA ?

CAN  A CHRISTIAN  BE  A LOYAL CITIZEN OF THE  USA  ?

not  my  opinion  but  food for  thought
are  we  hipocrits??

a christian  would  turn the other cheek
.......i   true  christian  would have  forgiven  japan  on  december 8  1941   etc  etc

i  will not  turn the other  cheek
are  you  more of a chistian  than  i am...or  are  you  a  pagan

we  debate  abortion   ''adnausium''
but  how  many  have  participated  in  the divorce  courts  of this  pagan  nation

just a few  that  come to  mind
any  one  care to  pull  your  head out of the sand  and add  to this

i  dont know  any  muslims  and  hope i never  do
most  of my  friends  are  chistians and  hipocrits

[powderman]

SOURDOUGH. Great post, all true. I know a lot of folks poke fun of Pat Robertson of the 700 Club but he has really been getting in to the cancer of islam, one of the few who are standing up and telling the truth. He had a guest today, a former muslim from Syria. She told that part of their daily prayer, 5 X a day, was the total destruction of Israel. She also said their prayers were learned and most of the people saying them had no idea what they meant. Total mind control. POWDERMAN. 

[ms]

Good video TM7 I love Dearborn mi. 

[Dee]

Re: CAN A MUSLIM BE A LOYAL CITIZEN OF THE USA ?

CAN  A CHRISTIAN  BE  A LOYAL CITIZEN OF THE  USA  ?

not  my  opinion  but  food for  thought
are  we  hipocrits??

a christian  would  turn the other cheek
.......i   true  christian  would have  forgiven  japan  on  december 8  1941   etc  etc

i  will not  turn the other  cheek
are  you  more of a chistian  than  i am...or  are  you  a  pagan

we  debate  abortion   ''adnausium''
but  how  many  have  participated  in  the divorce  courts  of this  pagan  nation

just a few  that  come to  mind
any  one  care to  pull  your  head out of the sand  and add  to this

i  dont know  any  muslims  and  hope i never  do
most  of my  friends  are  chistians and  hipocrits

Let us put the TRUE CHRISTIAN into proper perspective here. There are many whom think MEEK is the same as WEAK. Get the dictionary out, and see the difference.
Christ told his Disciples to "buy swords" for their traveling evangelism, as he knew there were robbers and murders in the country side. When the Sanhedrin came and arrested Christ, Peter cut one of the soldiers ears off with a sword. Don't you know, that Christ "KNEW", that Peter traveled armed? He told him to be armed.
When Christ cleaned the thieves out of the temple, he did not use Scrubbing Bubbles and a brush. He used a whip.
When He was taken before Pontius Pilot, He informed Pilot that the ONLY REASON He was there, was because He (Christ) was supposed to be, there, and for no other reason.
They killed Christ not because He was a weakling and passive. They killed Him because He proclaimed to all that the Sanhedrin was corrupt, the Sadducee's, and Pharisees were corrupt, and the Old Law of sacrifice was about to be dead. He was telling them that their days of power were about to be over.
Jesus Christ STOOD FOR WHAT WAS RIGHT, and His Disciples did also. All but John, died a violent death for not backing down on their beliefs.
Christians are supposed to be strong, and DEFEND WHAT IS RIGHT "ALWAYS", AND DEFEND THEIR FAMILIES, AND EACH OTHER. John Chapter 15 verse 12. This is my commandment, That ye LOVE ONE ANOTHER, AS I HAVE LOVED YOU. Verse 13. Greater love hath no man than this, THAT A MAN LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS FRIENDS.
If another is argumentative, and insulting is one thing, but NO WHERE IN SCRIPTURE does God say to be led voluntarily to slaughter, and to not defend not only your self, but friends and family.
Folks many times unknowingly take this "turn the other cheek" to extremes it was never meant to be taken.

[Oldshooter]

I think there should be a bag limit on "muzzies" cause if you dont have a limit then some people will poach.

right now its 13 / 0 their favor, and a winged muzzie is still a muzzie!

This is in jest of course but we need to keep the score total in mind ! 30 % of Dearborn is Muslim,( and we aint talking your home grown muzzies either) so thats a good place to start your hunt!

[Oldshooter]

Oath of Allegience to the United States requires that one denounce allegience to any other Flag, Country, Prince , or Potenate. He swears loyalty to the U.S. before any and all others. If he does not he can not become a citizen. if he did and fails in tha oath he can and should be deported.

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Really..?  How do you exlain dual citizens in our highest government offices, often in DoD, and especially in the Bush-Cheney regime...?

..TM7

I assume you know who they were so can we have their names? Sincerely.

i

[newstart2k]

Hey Dee,

Just to put it in perspective let each answer this question(privately and honestly I mean, not the bluster of forum fodder). If forced to renounce citizenship or Christ which would you choose?

[Dee]

Well newstart2k, that is a loaded question isn't it. You see, my family met the boat. They were, and are Cherokee. Not half, not quarter. My father was a full blood. SO! Why should I do either?
But! I get your point here.
Christ said: Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's', and to God what is God's (paraphrased), and to obey the law of the land, AS LONG AS THE LAW OF THE LAND IS GODLY AND MORAL.
Now although this country has drifted badly, and is become more decadent hourly, it was in the beginning, FOUNDED on Christian Principles, and the Law also was based on Christian Principles. Thus the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. Both documents founded on Christian Principle.
Our congress has basically abandoned these two documents, thus abandoning Christian Principle. I have already made my decision. If the candidate is not 100% for both documents, I will not vote for him, and will seek an alternative if possible, win or loose election day. God says we are to be a "Peculiar People" thus separating ourselves from the sinful world MORALLY. Physically we cannot, but we do not have to take their moral lacking as our own. The country is God's, but the government is MAN'S, along with the name man has given it..
The question you ask requires not thought on my part. The decision was made years ago. The life here is just that. A lifetime. The other is eternity.

[Dee]

TM7, you bring forth a very valid point, AND a point soaked in TRUTH. One should be careful to challenge your point. If they are honest, they will loose the challenge. There ARE folks here in high places as we speak with foreign citizenship.

[Oldshooter]

Oath of Allegience to the United States requires that one denounce allegience to any other Flag, Country, Prince , or Potenate. He swears loyalty to the U.S. before any and all others. If he does not he can not become a citizen. if he did and fails in tha oath he can and should be deported.

.
Really..?  How do you exlain dual citizens in our highest government offices, often in DoD, and especially in the Bush-Cheney regime...?

..TM7

.



I assume you know who they were so can we have their names? Sincerely.

i

...Yes I do, and before I post them you should research the particulars on dual citizenship in this country. Once you do that I may post their names. Get back to us first.
BTW, do you perchance see a little problem with dual citizenship operatives inhabiting high government office...? I think that question is very germain to the question posed in this thread, because these people take an oath; actually a loyalty oath,,,muzzie citizens do not. If somebody can explain how a dual citizenship office holder can have loyalty separate and fidelity to this country, I'd like to hear such an oxymoronic explanation.....same with the milleniunist's fidelity to this country.

..TM7

It indeed used to be the case in the US that you couldn't hold dual citizenship (except in certain cases if you had dual citizenship from birth or childhood, in which case some Supreme Court rulings -- Perkins v. Elg (1939), Mandoli v. Acheson (1952), and Kawakita v. U.S. (1952) -- permitted you to keep both). However, most of the laws forbidding dual citizenship were struck down by the US Supreme Court in two cases: a 1967 decision, Afroyim v. Rusk, as well as a second ruling in 1980, Vance v. Terrazas.

Rules against dual citizenship still apply to some extent -- at least in theory -- to people who wish to become US citizens via naturalization. The Supreme Court chose to leave in place the requirement that new citizens must renounce their old citizenship during US naturalization. However, in practice, the State Department is no longer doing anything in the vast majority of situations where a new citizen's "old country" refuses to recognize the US renunciation and continues to consider the person's original citizenship to be in effect.

The official US State Department policy on dual citizenship today is that the United States does not favor it as a matter of policy because of various problems they feel it may cause, but the existence of dual citizenship is recognized (i.e., accepted) as a fact of life. That is, if you ask them if you ought to become a dual citizen, they will recommend against doing it; but if you tell them you are a dual citizen, they'll almost always say it's OK.