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.357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« on: November 30, 2009, 09:44:33 AM »
In my humble opinion, the 357 registered magnum of 1935 until the -2 series, Are the finest revolvers to ever come off a production line.  Other models and brands have come close, but not quite. If you doubt me just handle one, maybe in 8 3/8. It reminds me of the feel of a 15th century katana. The Model 27 is high-art in blued steel.
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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2009, 01:33:36 PM »
In my humble opinion, the 357 registered magnum of 1935 until the -2 series, Are the finest revolvers to ever come off a production line.  Other models and brands have come close, but not quite. If you doubt me just handle one, maybe in 8 3/8. It reminds me of the feel of a 15th century katana. The Model 27 is high-art in blued steel.


Yup... Here is one that shipped in December 1935 I have to agree..I have to correct one thing here Though... The Registered Magnums were Not an assembly Line Gun. They were custom ordered and hand made...Hammerdown



















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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2009, 02:14:19 PM »
  I don't know if they are the best revolvers ever made or not, but they ARE the finest revolvers i've ever handled or fired!







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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2009, 01:06:49 AM »
Dear Hammerdown, DrillingMan,

Thanks for sharing those remarkable pictures. They are wonderful examples of both ends of the Model 27 run. That '35RM makes an electric shock run up my leg. Diamond Combat grips, oh my. Both of mine[-2s] were a little rough and have been refinished with NOS grips. The four inch has a 1936 date engraved below the cylinder latch, although it is a later gun obviously. I think the date is a previous owners birthday.

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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2009, 01:44:55 AM »
Pardon my ignorance, but what is a "registered Magnum" and how do you tell the difference?


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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2009, 02:44:57 AM »
Dear Hammerdown, DrillingMan,

Thanks for sharing those remarkable pictures. They are wonderful examples of both ends of the Model 27 run. That '35RM makes an electric shock run up my leg. Diamond Combat grips, oh my. Both of mine[-2s] were a little rough and have been refinished with NOS grips. The four inch has a 1936 date engraved below the cylinder latch, although it is a later gun obviously. I think the date is a previous owners birthday.

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Hello HellBound & krod47nw

I will answer you both to keep the Post counts down here. The Grips shown on my 1935 Registered Magnum are Rare Walter Roper Grips. These Grip's were made from the Early 1930's to around the Late 1940's by a Fellow named Matheis Gagne. He worked for Roper and Custom made these off the shooters hand Tracing which he required in pencil before making them. Most were marketed and sold to The Camp Perry Shooting Teams For Competition shooting as S&W was resistant to make Target grips and actually Blew off Walter Ropers suggestion of making them while he was an employee there.



Roper had a small Two Car Garage in Upper New England where Gagne made his Custom shooter grips. What is remarkable about them, is he used very few power tool's to make them. he had a large Band saw that he quarter sawed all the wood with it to insure Both Half's matched up perfectly when he was finished with them. he also used a large Belt sander machine to smooth the Quarter sawed half's when he was done to isure a Prefect fit ot the tow half's. The Clover leaf checkering was hand done with a simple V-Chisel and mallet after he Pencil traced the design on them. Gagne was a true artisan and his excellence was not to be repeated once he retired.



His Son Albert Gagne served an apprecticship in grip making under his Guidence and when Matheis Retired Albert went to work for S&W in their design Team department.  He also shot on the S&W Factory shooters team back in the early 1950's time span & It is said that he was responsible for the Birth of the Early S&W large Target grips that we saw come out in the Early 1950's. The design features of these grips Beared the same simularity of the early Roper designed grips as the Gentle Palm swells, Oval shaped bottom's & Diamond centers that we saw on Gagnes creations. These factory S&W grips are often called "Coke Bottle grips" due to their classic Coke Bottle Hour Glass profile, which are shown below on my Pre-27 Circa 1955 revolver which is a Grand son to The Famed Registered Magnum.



On the subject of what a Registered Magnun is.. Joseph Wesson came up with an idea of Building a Custom level hand gun for serious Target shooters and Hunters back in 1934. This idea was heavily prompted by Famed hand loader Philip Sharp who had been experimenting with the then not Born .357 Magnum. Sharp had been using a Modified .38 Special cartridge case that was lengthened 1/8" Longer than the standard .38 Special round, and had shown it to be much more potent and accurate than the old standard .38 Special round. He kept close contacts with Wesson during his Testing of it, which finally convinced Wesson to Build a hand gun to harness it, as Sharp had been using a special Modified 38-44 Outdoorsman revolver while experimenting with this new cartridge, which was originally in .38 Special configuration but Sharp Modified the cylinder of it to accept the Longer .38 Special Cases. Wesson took one of the very same revolvers and had the frame and cylinder heat treated to withstand the Higher pressures of the Then not born .357 Magnum round and called upon Remington Arms to build this Wild Cat cartridge for Commercial sales. Remington quickly Blew off Wesson claiming that the cartridge could not work nor did the general public need such a Potent Cartridge.




Wesson would not stand for this, as Phil Sharp had proven to him that Indeed it would work, so his next call was to Winchester Arms, to ask them to produce the .357 Magnum Cartridge. They agreed to do it, but requested to have a revolver to fire it in so Wesson sent them his Special heat treated 38-44 Outdoorsman Revolver which had been Modified to accept the .357 magnum Cartridge. and Winchester Built the Famous .357 Magnum Cartridge. While Winchester was working on the development of the .357 magnum Cartridge Wesson decided to unveil his Custom Handgun offering in it to The General Public. The Handgun would be hand selected by certain individules that Wesson had Picked in the factory to Build them. These were men with a Lot of experience and top Notch results were his expressed concern for this hand gun.





You could order one in nickel or Blued finish. They Offered them with any Barrel length from 3-1/2" to 8-3/4" in Quarter inch increments. They had eleven different sight designs and Offered grips of Roper Design as mine has, Ivory, Mother of Pearl, Stag, or standard Select grade Walnut. You were offered a Factory Built Grip adaptor which fit up to the fame and had a trigger guard filler piece that when used with the smaller service style grips, this made the gun feel in your hand much more Filling for shooting & Handling it. These guns were the most expensive ones offered by S&W at $62.00 a Piece, but Wesson felt they were the Best of the Best or The Crown Jewel of the S&W Line. It was a bit of a Gamble offering this elaborate hand gun just coming out of a major depression, but Wesson decided he would take that chance.





Each Handgun Built would have a Registration Number stamped into the Crane area starting with Number One that was presented to None other than J. Edgar Hoover the head of The FBI. Now, Wesson was no Fool so he felt if this Gun did not float in the private sector as aCustom Built Offering, perhaps the Police Agencies would look at it serious to equip their Police Officers with this New Hot round as Gansters were at an all time peak and most Police agencies were very under Gunned. When a Person purchased a Registered Magnum they had to fill out a Builders requisition form. This form asked what barrel length, finish, sights, stocks, and what the Buyer wanted the gun sighted it at before it left the factory as well as what ammo they preferred to be shot in it when it was tested. All this Information was kept in company records after the gun was shipped to the perspective Buyers. When you received your Custom built Registered Magnum, the Factory included an owners name and address card for the new owner to make out and return to the factory, as this was their Life Time Warranty on their new hand gun. In turn, S&W would print out a Registration Certificate with the owner's name and address and return the document which was suitable for framing in a round mailing tube to the new owner Hence the Name REGISTERED MAGNUM..  1938 was The Last year for S&W to Offer this handgun as a  Registered Magnum. The Orders started pouring on so Fast that the company could not keep up with them, so the registration process was dropped and the same Gun was offered as a standard catalog item with barrel lengths being now offered in 3-1/2"-4"-5"- 6"-61/2" and 8-3/8". These Guns were built until 1940 when all handguns for civilians were ceased for the War Effort. This Gun is called The Non-Registered Magnum and they resumed Production after the War around 1948 offering them as a standard catalog item known as the Pre-27   Here is the Grand son to my Registered Magnum. This is a Pre-27 which is the Model Number given to the Previous Registered Magnums after 1957. This one is Not stamped in the crane like it's ancestors as it was produced in July 1955 shown with the Famous Coke Bottle Factory grips that came from Matheis Gagnes design... Hammerdown















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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2009, 03:58:38 AM »
  The revolver i pictured above, is a pre 27, i also have a 27-2.  They really do have the look and feel of absolute quality...

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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2009, 05:30:07 AM »
I must say that I do like the Smith & Wesson revolvers a whole lot but in my eyes, the #1 revolver at the top of the list has to be the COLT PYTHON in .357.....no question about it's quality, eye appeal and ability to shoot tiny little groups on targets. It is in a class of it's own I figure but I still do like my Smiths too!!! ::)

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« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2009, 08:33:46 AM »
I must say that I do like the Smith & Wesson revolvers a whole lot but in my eyes, the #1 revolver at the top of the list has to be the COLT PYTHON in .357.....no question about it's quality, eye appeal and ability to shoot tiny little groups on targets. It is in a class of it's own I figure but I still do like my Smiths too!!! ::)

  I've had several Pythons, notice i said "had".  My Pythons weren't up to the quality of the old "N" frames, and in fact didn't even have great triggers out of the box.  They are long gone...

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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2009, 04:26:33 PM »
Any Python I have owned refused to live very long,fed with real .357 loads. Had to send both mine back to Colt for repairs. My n frame smiths on the other hand,digested everything I ran thru them and kept on ticking. I sold the Colts as well.

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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2009, 03:49:28 AM »
The Python, a great looking revolver, is a medium framed gun. I would compare it to the Model 19. Both fine guns, but a steady diet of full-bore 357s will loosen them up. I have an Anaconda in 8 inch and it is an entirely different gun than the New Service based Python.
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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2009, 02:14:12 PM »
Well gents I purchased mine prior to my shipping out date in mid-60's! Yep, purchased it down in Albany GA. below Fort Benning GA. I feed that pistol plenty of hot loads and Super Vels ammo to. Never did that pistol get loose and the trigger was sweeter than your mothers night kiss before she tucked you in for the night. I kept that pistol for over 28 years you betcha. Now how you like them apples boys! ;D ;D ;D

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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2009, 02:59:06 PM »
Well gents I purchased mine prior to my shipping out date in mid-60's! Yep, purchased it down in Albany GA. below Fort Benning GA. I feed that pistol plenty of hot loads and Super Vels ammo to. Never did that pistol get loose and the trigger was sweeter than your mothers night kiss before she tucked you in for the night. I kept that pistol for over 28 years you betcha. Now how you like them apples boys! ;D ;D ;D

  Actually, i LIKE them apples...  If your happy with your's, then i'm happy for you...  Now, if "I" could have been just as happy with the Pythons "I" had, we'd both be tickled to death...

  BTW, are you saying you liked that revolver so much, that you no longer have it?

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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2009, 11:23:44 PM »
Well gents I purchased mine prior to my shipping out date in mid-60's! Yep, purchased it down in Albany GA. below Fort Benning GA. I feed that pistol plenty of hot loads and Super Vels ammo to. Never did that pistol get loose and the trigger was sweeter than your mothers night kiss before she tucked you in for the night. I kept that pistol for over 28 years you betcha. Now how you like them apples boys! ;D ;D ;D

  Actually, i LIKE them apples...  If your happy with your's, then i'm happy for you...  Now, if "I" could have been just as happy with the Pythons "I" had, we'd both be tickled to death...

  BTW, are you saying you liked that revolver so much, that you no longer have it?
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Now, That's Funny I don't Care who ya are... ;D I Don't own a Python as I have always Heard they are Pretty But shoot Loose and  their Timing Fades   Real Fast. If I want Pretty, I Buy the Old Lady Jewlery.  ;) In owning my S&W's I get the best of Both worlds, they look good and function Good...
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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2009, 11:28:05 AM »
Beautiful pics of some beautiful handguns. Thanks for sharing....

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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2009, 04:27:35 PM »
Ok, so If I'm at a yard sale, estate sale, etc.  How do I spot a registered magnum?  Is it only by the number stamped in it?  Are there other features exclusive to the registered magnums?

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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2009, 10:07:38 PM »
Ok, so If I'm at a yard sale, estate sale, etc.  How do I spot a registered magnum?  Is it only by the number stamped in it?  Are there other features exclusive to the registered magnums?

Thanks,
Kevin

Hay Kevin
Now, That's Funny I don't care who you are... ;D I have never heard of one of these showing up at any Yard sales as most Know what they have, But to answer your question when you open the Cylinder crane, it will have REG. and a Number stamped under it.. Hammerdown
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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2009, 12:19:04 AM »
Yea, I know it's funny, but you got the idea of what I was asking  ;D.  It actually says "REG", that is the info I was looking for.

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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2009, 12:30:52 AM »
Yea, I know it's funny, but you got the idea of what I was asking  ;D.  It actually says "REG", that is the info I was looking for.

Thanks,
Kevin

Hello kevin
That's Right, it will have REG stamped in the crane assembly area of the main frame that can be seen when you Open the cylinder, with The Actual REG Number stamped below it. These guns average Between $3500.00-15,000.00 depending on how nice they are, how complete the package is, and who may have owned them... Good Luck in your search, I am not saying that you won't come across one reasonable out there, but with the Information out there on The Internet these days even The Forest Gump types are WELL Educated to what these guns are and what they Bring...Hammerdown
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Re: .357 Registered Magnum. Smith's flagship.
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2009, 12:45:43 AM »
Yea, I know it's funny, but you got the idea of what I was asking  ;D.  It actually says "REG", that is the info I was looking for.

Thanks,
Kevin


Hello Kevin
On another Note here... In 1939 The Factory Dropped The Registration Of These, But they still made the Hand made custom .357 Revolver until The World War II effort stopped all Gun production. These style Guns were called Non-Registered Magnums, and they were actually More Rare than the Original Registered Magnums made from 1935-1938 time span. They made just a Little over 1700 of those and they are quickly catching up to The Registered Magnums in price. They average $5000.00 and On up when you see them, and they will NOT have The REG or Registration Number stamped into them. They can be Identified by their concentric Grooves on both sides of the Hammer, Large Mushroom style extractor Rod end, and small Pre-War sights. They Like the Previous Registered Magnums will have the Long style Pre-War actions meaning a Long Travel Hammer Lock up sequence. After World War II , S&W resumed Production on them, but made them a standard Order catalog Item, But there was some Changes. The Post-War Magnums will have the short style action, Larger style Micro click sights,  and Most shipped with the Larger style Magna diamond center grips. I hope this helps, Hammerdown
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