Author Topic: FOUR SIDES TO EVERY STORY? (Read 1902 times)

Dee · « **on:** November 15, 2009, 03:08:41 AM »

This one is going to be fun, I just know it. Now! Before YOU get started tearing into my definitions, just remember. They are MY DEFINITIONS, and you not only aren't required to agree, I EXPECT YOU, not to agree. Some will. MOST won't. SaLaVi
The topic is FOUR SIDES TO EVERY STORY, and I am not really interested in your thinking of the proper way of voting, I am interested in your JUSTIFICATION for voting the way you do, given your own personal description of none other than YOURSELF!
I'm really not interested in knowing what you think of the other three categories you do not pick but, instead of the category you pick for YOURSELF.
EXAMPLE: Liberal! I call myself a liberal BECAUSE, and I vote Liberal BECAUSE. I never change my vote BECAUSE, or I sometimes change my vote BECAUSE, but I am still a liberal.
GET IT? Probably not, but here goes.
My definitions of the FOUR SIDES:

LIBERAL: BIGGER GOVERNMENT, SOCIALISM, MARXISM, SERVITUDE OF THE MASSES, THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS MEAN NOTHING, AND ARE FOR THE MOST PART OUTDATED.

PSEUDO CONSERVATIVE: OK WITH A LITTLE BIGGER GOVERNMENT GRADUALLY, SOCIALISM, AND WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT LESS IN THE ON GOING EROSION OF FREEDOMS, JUST TO KEEP THE LIBERAL OUT, AND WILLING TO ALLOW THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS TO AT TIMES BE IGNORED.

TRUE CONSERVATIVE: AN ABSOLUTE SUPPORTER OF THE CONSTITUTION, AND BILL OF RIGHTS, AND AMERICAN FREEDOMS UNCOMPROMISED. REFUSAL TO VOTE KNOWINGLY FOR ANY THAT HAVE EVER COMPROMISED, OR VOTED AGAINST EITHER DOCUMENT.

NON VOTING SHIRKER: THIS IS FOR THE ONE THAT DOESN'T VOTE, AND MAKES "VARIOUS EXCUSES" FOR NOT VOTING.
So ladies and gentlemen. Given MY DEFINITIONS: Which are you, and why, and let the raving begin.

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #1 on:** November 15, 2009, 03:10:34 AM »

I think you got it about right.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #2 on:** November 15, 2009, 03:59:48 AM »

Well I have to agree with you Dee!........... those are your definitions!

Those in mmmmmy opinion are generalizations not definitions!

Really dont think I fit anywhere in there cause I will not throw my vote in the trash to make a point or pout!

There is no perfect candidate, Jesus has not been on any ballot I have seen! and if he were there are some here that would find fault! or conspiracy or reason to not vote for the traitor!

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If you don't fit one, don't participate.

Sorry i did not know the rules when i posted I thought It was a thread, that wanted responses!

Moderator please remove this post!

Dee · « **Reply #3 on:** November 15, 2009, 04:25:32 AM »

And the dodges, i.e. "excuses" are rollin in already. The game has begun. They won't pick a side, they criticize, refuse the rules, but can't stay away. The TRUTH CONVICTS! If you don't want to play the game, why attack me? If you don't fit one, don't participate.

blind ear · « **Reply #4 on:** November 15, 2009, 04:52:08 AM »

wasted time

Dee · « **Reply #5 on:** November 15, 2009, 05:39:25 AM »

Well, I have had to add another category that I had forgotten, and I did "soften" one up a bit, with a slight renaming that actually is more appropo for the type voter described.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #6 on:** November 15, 2009, 06:21:00 AM »

Since there are so few absolutes, I've got to say you are pretty darned close. I would say I can be considered a libertarian, with a few exceptions and provisos. Too bad the libertarians will not compromise their priciples because many true conservitives could get behind almost all libertarian values. Conservatives like the prison system and lawyers in general too much to suit a libertarian view.

My business is none of your business, and your business is none of my business and for darned sure not the governments business.

Dee · « **Reply #7 on:** November 15, 2009, 06:46:17 AM »

Well now see there Empty Quiver. We agree. I too am a Libertarian, but for the most part, I see a Libertarian as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE. I see the Constitutional Party also as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE. Anything AGAINST the Constitution and Bill of Rights. I OPPOSE.
Take you very last statement there, which to shorten and parapharse. Mind your own business. Is not that basically what the Liberatraian i.e. TRUE CONSERVATIVE is saying not only to his neighbor but, MAINLY TO HIS GOVERNMENT. i.e. Mr. President, Congress, and Senate. Stay outta my life! Do your job and call it a day?
Some like to say the Liberatarian is PRO ABORTION, and LEGALIZE DRUGS but, ARE THEY REALLY? Answer? NOPE! If you want an abortion, I don't agree with it, but if you decide you want one anyway, I ain't gonna help pay for it. If you want to sit on your couch and stuff cocaine up your nose. It's your couch and your nose. I don't agree with it but, if you ain't hurtin anyone else, be my guest, just keep it to yourself.
Am I far off here Empty Quiver?

m-g Willy · « **Reply #8 on:** November 15, 2009, 07:54:39 AM »

TRUE CONSERVITIVE HERE.
I was a wishy washy conservitivr before, voteing for the lesser of to evils.
Even made excuses that I wasn't voteing for a candidate as much as I was really voteing against the other MORE evil canidate.
NO MORE!!!!
After reading comments here ON THIS BOARD.
I believe that a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil!
Anyone that goes against my beliefs or wants to change anything in the constitution will NOT get my vote no matter what party they are in.

Dee · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2009, 08:10:08 AM »

There ya go m-g Willy. You have declared yourself, and are not ashamed of it. Mostly only the liberal seems willing for the most part to say, I am unabashedly liberal.
Independent thinkers such as yourself are also. Pseudo Conservatives like to put labels on other folks, like liberals, Marxists, socialists, and so on but have a tendency to resent any labels stuck on themselves. They especially won't admit to being a Pseudo Conservative, even though they are. They want to be called conservative, even though they many times vote other wise. They want the luxury of being a Pseudo Conservative, but resent the labe. Isn't that a little hypocritical?

alsaqr · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2009, 08:26:36 AM »

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PSEUDO CONSERVATIVE:

AKA: Quasi-Conservative and Neo-Conservative.

Dee and Willy are right. A vote for the lesser of two evils is a vote for evil. Henceforth and hereafter this individual will not vote for any evil, however slight.

Swampman · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2009, 10:02:20 AM »

THINKER: I vote for someone who can win. It doesn't matter what a loser thinks, believes, or does. Winners control this country.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2009, 10:12:49 AM »

Dee I don't have anything to argue about with you. A true conservative may favor jailing the druggies but I don't know that for a fact. That would be my distinction between the two labels. Might be as you say and they are one and the same, thats OK by me too. None of my business what they want to label themselves as.( Little winky thing here!)

It's a persons God given right to be worthless to society. If you choose to help them bless you and good luck. Do not force me to help them though, ask me, accept my answer and go on with YOUR life.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2009, 10:15:29 AM »

Swampman, Dear Leader Obama is a winner and is in charge, won by a healthy margin if I recall correctly. Can we depend on you getting behind him with all your supporty?

Spanky · « **Reply #14 on:** November 15, 2009, 10:28:45 AM »

Quote from: Empty Quiver on November 15, 2009, 10:15:29 AM

Obama is a winner and is in charge,

Obama might be in charge but he ain't no winner.

Spanky

Swampman · « **Reply #15 on:** November 15, 2009, 10:34:06 AM »

Quote from: Empty Quiver on November 15, 2009, 10:15:29 AM

Swampman, Dear Leader Obama is a winner and is in charge, won by a healthy margin if I recall correctly. Can we depend on you getting behind him with all your supporty?

Obama won because the Republicans wouldn't get behind a Republican who could win. They wasted their money and their votes on various nobodies, and by the way I told you so!

My point is I won't waste my vote on someone who's going to get 6-7 percent of the vote. Hence I'm a THINKER.

Empty Quiver · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2009, 12:08:05 PM »

The winner is in charge. The Republicans nominated a man who got a great big meah from the public. The, my candidate isn't as worthless as your candidate, guy. People new darned good and well what they were going to get with McCain...They do not want that. They were willing to give a person they new abolutely nothing about a shot, that is how poor a choice McCain was. I think he is an honorable man, superior in about any measurable way compared to our current President, save for one. He was not popular enough to be elected when run against Obama.

Now a man raised by socialist zealots and weaned on Chicago politcal machine politics is given a chance to shape the mightiest nation the world has ever seen. The national election is not the place to jump on band wagons, supporting an unknown.

I know exactly what you are getting at Swampman, a vote for a third party is "wasted" during that election. I do feel however that a lesson bought is a lesson taught. The NY 23 was another lesson bought by the Republican party. I hope they have paid enough in continueing education and can now enter the work force to bring forward people who are superior to all comers, not just less worthless than the other guy.

Not that long ago R could depend on people to think in only a two party manner and they could win, running the less worthless candidate. That got us to where we were last Nov. I for one will no longer tolerate where we were last Nov. Choose between brown or tan, screw that I want CHARTUESE and by God everyone I know prefers chartruese. We aren't going to put up with unsatisfactory choices any longer. Ihave too much Tan already enough to last me a long time thank you , and same for brown .

Dee · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2009, 01:30:24 PM »

Out of 18 posts, three people showed that they were capable of going by the threads criteria. The rest showed that they were completely incapable of sticking to the criteria, and are derailing the thread by their out of context rants, and confused ramblings. Most did not even understand the criteria. That sounds about par for liberals and Pseudo Conservatives. They are as when they vote. In complete disarray, and confused, and blaming someone else all the way. I expect it from Swampman and William.
No one asked you guys what you thought about each other, about the thread, or each others voting habits. You were asked to evaluate YOURSELF. GET IT! Self evaluation? Some of you guys evidently don't have any reading comprehension. You are the guys that used to listen to the rules in my shooting range classes, and spend the next hour wasting time with stupid questions. How in hell did the death penalty get in this thing? Good grief, this is really something. No one can take a look in the mirror.

Swampman · « **Reply #18 on:** November 15, 2009, 01:38:24 PM »

If the shoe doesn't fit I can't wear it. The categories listed only fit about 1% of the US population.

Dee · « **Reply #19 on:** November 15, 2009, 01:43:01 PM »

Quote from: Dee on November 15, 2009, 04:25:32 AM

And the dodges, i.e. "excuses" are rollin in already. The game has begun. They won't pick a side, they criticize, refuse the rules, but can't stay away. The TRUTH CONVICTS! If you don't want to play the game, why attack me? If you don't fit one, don't participate.

What part of the sentence in red do you not understand SWAMPY? Is that not clear enough? No one asked your opinion of anyone or the rest of the population, or anyone's voting habits other than you own. YOUR A TROLL.

Spanky · « **Reply #20 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:28:42 PM »

Quote from: Dee on November 15, 2009, 01:43:01 PM

Quote from: Dee on November 15, 2009, 04:25:32 AM
And the dodges, i.e. "excuses" are rollin in already. The game has begun. They won't pick a side, they criticize, refuse the rules, but can't stay away. The TRUTH CONVICTS! If you don't want to play the game, why attack me? If you don't fit one, don't participate.

What part of the sentence in red do you not understand SWAMPY? Is that not clear enough? No one asked your opinion of anyone or the rest of the population, or anyone's voting habits other than you own. YOUR A TROLL.

Dee,

You seem to be fond of namecalling and putting others down. When did you rise to a level above the rest of us. Are you special?

Spanky

a4beltfed2000 · « **Reply #21 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:29:41 PM »

I would consider myself a true conservative here! I am as Pro american, and proud to have done my part in service but I am completely against what our goverment has become, I consider our representives to be the traitors!

Spanky · « **Reply #22 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:34:33 PM »

To answer the question... I would say TRUE CONSERVATIVE.

Spanky

billy_56081 · « **Reply #23 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:38:06 PM »

I am a True Conservative, I am also realist, and know there are very few absolutes in this world.

Dee · « **Reply #24 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:43:16 PM »

Quote from: Spanky on November 15, 2009, 02:28:42 PM

Quote from: Dee on November 15, 2009, 01:43:01 PM
Quote from: Dee on November 15, 2009, 04:25:32 AM
And the dodges, i.e. "excuses" are rollin in already. The game has begun. They won't pick a side, they criticize, refuse the rules, but can't stay away. The TRUTH CONVICTS! If you don't want to play the game, why attack me? If you don't fit one, don't participate.

What part of the sentence in red do you not understand SWAMPY? Is that not clear enough? No one asked your opinion of anyone or the rest of the population, or anyone's voting habits other than you own. YOUR A TROLL.

Dee,

You seem to be fond of namecalling and putting others down. When did you rise to a level above the rest of us. Are you special?

Spanky

Not fond of name calling at all. Swampy being a TROLL is more of an observation than anything else.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #25 on:** November 15, 2009, 02:46:10 PM »

WHo would start a thread like this? http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,150547.0.html?

A "true conservative" or a "pseudo conservative"?

Dee · « **Reply #26 on:** November 15, 2009, 03:26:15 PM »

Quote from: Dee on November 15, 2009, 04:25:32 AM

They won't pick a side, they criticize, refuse the rules, but can't stay away. The TRUTH CONVICTS! If you don't want to play the game, why attack me? If you don't fit one, don't participate.

Once again off topic.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #27 on:** November 15, 2009, 03:37:17 PM »

Under your definitions, I have to consider myself a true Conservative.

Dee · « **Reply #28 on:** November 15, 2009, 03:47:24 PM »

nw_hunter, I appreciate the response. We are not perfect here, but it is indeed a RARE PLEASURE, that someone such as yourself, can understand what one reads, and respond in a clear "self-examining way" to what is placed before them as choices, with out being childish and silly, or in some case, just plain stupid. Thank you sir.

scootrd · « **Reply #29 on:** November 15, 2009, 03:53:50 PM »

Quote from: Dee on November 15, 2009, 06:46:17 AM

Well now see there Empty Quiver. We agree. I too am a Libertarian, but for the most part, I see a Libertarian as a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.

Calling one's self a Libertarian is very broad spectrum. There are many different beliefs within the Libertarian ranks.
Although core or overarching beliefs are similar - differences do reside among Libertarian factions. There are many Libertarians who are Left and who are right. There are Libertarian Democrats as well as Libertarian Republicans.

key differences between libertarian Democrats and Libertarian Republicans are the emphasis on socially responsible transition toward liberty.

Libertarian Democrats focus first on removing corporate welfare, rather than cutting the social safety net first. They believe If corporate welfare is removed first, then more jobs will open up, with higher wages and a lower cost of living.

Libertarian Republicans believe they should cut the social safety nets first. This will allow corporations to flourish, more jobs will open up, with higher wages and a lower cost of living.

Same goal and same basic principal - different approaches.

For Libertarians not everything is black and white .. The libertarian movements have quite an amount of gray even amongst its own ranks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

sections 4 and 5 tries to breakdown the differences.