Author Topic: unregistered hand gun (Read 2028 times)

rex6666 · « **on:** November 06, 2009, 01:14:22 PM »

I have a handgun that is not registered to me fact is i bought from a man i have know a long time. It belonged
to his wife, when she pasted away he sold it to me, he has since pasted away.
If i carry it in my truck and some nice officer runs a check what happens then.

Dee · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:16:50 PM »

rex, there no such thing as gun registration in Texas. The store where it was originally bought has got a record of the sale, but that's the end of it.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:40:16 PM »

Yep 100% correct you do not have to register it.

rex6666 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:41:41 PM »

OK
I thought that all gun ser# were in a data base that could be checked.
Also have been told have one not reg. to you is a no-no.
thanks for the info Dee.
Thank you Badnews

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:52:23 PM »

Quote from: rex6666 on November 06, 2009, 01:41:41 PM

OK
I thought that all gun ser# were in a data base that could be checked.
Also have been told have one not reg. to you is a no-no.
thanks for the info Dee.
Thank you Badnews

Check your state law.
some states like CA have a voluntary registration form on the Website and it is easy to do.
You may have to register the gun even if you owned it in another state and moved.
Again check the state laws if you can trasfer a handgun from one party to another with out a back ground check.

Dee · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:55:44 PM »

He's in Texas mcwoodduck. There is no law.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:59:28 PM »

Quote from: rex6666 on November 06, 2009, 01:41:41 PM

OK
I thought that all gun ser# were in a data base that could be checked.
Also have been told have one not reg. to you is a no-no.
thanks for the info Dee.
Thank you Badnews

know one knows or needs to know you have this gun
untill you posted here.....now they know

don't listen to your TV so much
some states do have such laws

with the previous owners gone you have an untraceable gun...keep it that way

Redhawk1 · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2009, 02:00:28 PM »

Quote from: Dee on November 06, 2009, 01:55:44 PM

He's in Texas mcwoodduck. There is no law.

Gotta love Texas...

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2009, 04:39:19 PM »

Thanks Dee,
But other guys may have the same question in other states.
As a matter of fact one of my handguns is in Texas.

Sourdough · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2009, 06:47:41 PM »

When I moved to Vagas, I was told by the Commander that we had to register all guns with the Las Vegas police. I registered my pistol like I was told I had to. I later moved to Florida, then to Alaska, then to Arizona.

After being in Arizona for a few months someone broke into my house and stole my Pistol. I reported it to the local police, then went on with life.

Eight months later the Glendale Police showed up on my doorstep and arrested me on a murder charge. I was taken down town, finger printed, had my picture taken, and booked. The Glendale police said I was going to be sent to Las Vegas, as soon as the paper work was finished. I called my Commander.

When Col Farrell got there they told him what had happened. Things they would not tell me. A man had been murdered (shot in the back of the head) in Las Vegas. The gun used to kill him was left lying beside him. That gun was registered to me. Therefore they were going to send me back to Las Vegas to face a murder charge.

Col Farrell stopped the entire process. First off he was able to confirm my where abouts on the night in question. We had an emergency on base that night and the Col and I had worked together handling it. Col Farrell also gave names of personnel that could also verify my presence that night.

I was finally released to Col Farrell, and after several weeks and being interviewed and dragged over the coals repeatedly. The Glendale police dropped all charges against me. I will never again register a pistol period.

gypsyman · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2009, 06:57:43 PM »

Sourdough, even thou you had reported the gun stolen, what, a year or two earlier, the Glendale police dept. arrested you for the murder. Now that sounds like a police dept. on the ball. gypsyman

Mohawk · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2009, 07:09:24 PM »

Quote from: Sourdough on November 06, 2009, 06:47:41 PM

When I moved to Vagas, I was told by the Commander that we had to register all guns with the Las Vegas police. I registered my pistol like I was told I had to. I later moved to Florida, then to Alaska, then to Arizona.

After being in Arizona for a few months someone broke into my house and stole my Pistol. I reported it to the local police, then went on with life.

Eight months later the Glendale Police showed up on my doorstep and arrested me on a murder charge. I was taken down town, finger printed, had my picture taken, and booked. The Glendale police said I was going to be sent to Las Vegas, as soon as the paper work was finished. I called my Commander.

When Col Farrell got there they told him what had happened. Things they would not tell me. A man had been murdered (shot in the back of the head) in Las Vegas. The gun used to kill him was left lying beside him. That gun was registered to me. Therefore they were going to send me back to Las Vegas to face a murder charge.

Col Farrell stopped the entire process. First off he was able to confirm my where abouts on the night in question. We had an emergency on base that night and the Col and I had worked together handling it. Col Farrell also gave names of personnel that could also verify my presence that night.

I was finally released to Col Farrell, and after several weeks and being interviewed and dragged over the coals repeatedly. The Glendale police dropped all charges against me. I will never again register a pistol period.

Yep, Vegas{Only Clark County} requires the "Blue Card" from Metro PD for just HANDGUNS. But aside from that Nevada is pretty fair in their gun laws. You can go shopping in Walmart with a .357 in plain view on a holster and grocery shop, the way it should be.......

williamlayton · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2009, 09:00:23 PM »

I have about 4/5 weapons that are bought/traded for/given to me that have not been thru any paperwork and three that are out there in the streets, owned by others who got them in simular circustances because they were stolen from me.
I even have one that I lost--well my mother lost it in a move.
Blessings

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #13 on:** November 07, 2009, 07:33:27 PM »

i ain t gonna register no gun.. where did it state that,, in the second ammendment..
they can take that regulation an ,,,well do what ever they want to with it.. its nothin to me.
i m an outlaw ,,no doubt..everytime i drive dn the highway i break the law by a couple o miles per hr..
lot of other laws ive broken also..
i respect an store owners right to have me behave in his store or whatever because i had good raising.. not because of any regulation or law..that system has been hijacked an i no longer pay it much attention..
imo fool around here an get mad ,,if i don t be careful..

rex6666 · « **Reply #14 on:** November 08, 2009, 07:24:08 AM »

I guess i don't understand what watching TV has to do with this, but if it suits you go ahead.
What i was reffering to was the fact that every time i purchase a gun of any kind i have to fill out the Federal fourm with my name and SS# and the guns ser# the dealer calls it in, is that not registered some where.

PS i don't intend to call and see if i can register it, but do intend to watch TV again.

Graybeard · « **Reply #15 on:** November 08, 2009, 07:56:00 AM »

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is that not registered some where.

Nope in fact law as passed by Congress makes it illegal to record it anywhere. BATFE is fighting hard to get it changed but as the law stands all evidence of the call in must be removed within 24 hours.

There is no national registration or national database YET! Many states tho do have registration and a centralized database.

Sourdough · « **Reply #16 on:** November 08, 2009, 09:20:45 AM »

The military has a registration system. When I was a young airman living in the dorm (barracks for you army types) we were not allowed to keep our guns in our rooms. We had to keep them in the armory. Signing them into the armory registered them.

I shoot skeet at the Skeet range on Post. To get through the gate with a gun it has to be registered. I also am a range officer at Eielson AFB, for recreational shooting after duty hours. To get my rifles on base I had to register them.

When I was stopped last week for having two Muzzleloaders in the back seat, I had to go to the visitors center to get a gun registration card. When the troop pulled up my records, there was every gun I had ever registered with the military. Many of them long gone, sold or traded years ago. But they are still in the military system under my name.

Graybeard · « **Reply #17 on:** November 08, 2009, 12:08:51 PM »

I've shot skeet on two military installations that did not register or even bother checking your guns as you went in to shoot. I have hunted on one other that also paid no attention to your guns. You had to have a post hunting license and check in thru the mail gate but that was the extent of it. So not all military installation do that. All I've dealt with have been Army installations.

Dee · « **Reply #18 on:** November 08, 2009, 12:15:11 PM »

I don't understand them lettin you go in like that Bill. Your a suspicious lookin guy up close. I've seen you.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #19 on:** November 08, 2009, 12:41:21 PM »

Quote from: rex6666 on November 08, 2009, 07:24:08 AM

I guess i don't understand what watching TV has to do with this, but if it suits you go ahead.
What i was reffering to was the fact that every time i purchase a gun of any kind i have to fill out the Federal fourm with my name and SS# and the guns ser# the dealer calls it in, is that not registered some where.

PS i don't intend to call and see if i can register it, but do intend to watch TV again.

no offfence...i too will continue to watch too much TV
just many get their impression of gun laws from TV tha originates in NY and california

in florida [i don't know about your state]
you fill out a '' form 4473'' for the ATF feferal

they/we [i am a gun dealer] then call in YOUR info
long gun or hand gun ,,,, as this is age relevent....no other gun info
we get an aproval or disapproval number
that number is all the state retains
we/I retain the form 4473

on 2 occasions ATF has called me reguarding the gun serial number on a trace
at that point i give them all the info on 4473
they never will tell me why they are tracing....say they don't know just their job to trace

maybe the gun turned up someplace it shouldn't
maybe they are just testing me

that is the closest thing to registering that i know of
IN MY STATE .... except for full auto ect thats another thread

Sourdough · « **Reply #20 on:** November 08, 2009, 01:10:43 PM »

GB: Differant Post and Bases have different policies. Last year at McDill AFB, they never checked or ask and questions.

When I got to Ft Bragg, they saw my out of state plates and McDill sticker on the vehicle, and asked about guns. I had to open the back of the vehicle, unlock my suite case, dig out the locked gun case with my pistol inside. Open it and show them it was unloaded.

Langley AFB, in Virginia, No questions

Ft Sam Houston in Texas did the same thing as Ft Bragg.

Lackland AFB Texas, checked, just wanted to see gun was in locked case. When they saw the lock on the case they went no farther.

Bolling AFB DC, No check.

This year I plan on riding a Motorcycle across the Southern States. Wonder how much they will check me on the bike?

beerbelly · « **Reply #21 on:** November 09, 2009, 02:07:19 AM »

How a military base handles guns depends on the commanding general. Some are gun friendly and some are not.
Beerbelly

alsaqr · « **Reply #22 on:** November 09, 2009, 02:09:05 AM »

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The military has a registration system.

Bingo.

Everyone who shoots or hunts on a US Army installation is required to have their guns registered with the firearms and vehicle registration branch. If a person attempts to bring a gun on post that is not registered and is caught at the gate, that person will be turned around. A non-LEO caught with a concealed handgun on an Army post is going to get a quick trip to the US magistrate.

I am looking at my Ft. Sill, OK Weapons Permit which lists the guns I am allowed to bring on that post. The registration is good for four years. The database is kept at the Pentagon.

Graybeard · « **Reply #23 on:** November 09, 2009, 02:35:26 AM »

That "might be the case today" but it most certainly WAS NOT back when I was going on these Army posts in Alabama to shoot skeet and to hunt. They were not in the least interested in what guns I had to shoot skeet or to hunt with and that includes one post with roughly 11% of the US total chemical weapons stockpile.

jhm · « **Reply #24 on:** November 09, 2009, 02:47:12 AM »

In Michigan you used to have to get a purchasing permit from your local PD to even buy a handgun, it was a 3 part card seller kept one with all info on it the PD kept one and the handgun for a period of time then gave you the handgun back and your copy of the purchasing permit that you had to keep with the handgun. Jim

alsaqr · « **Reply #25 on:** November 09, 2009, 03:18:14 AM »

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That "might be the case today" but it most certainly WAS NOT back when I was going on these Army posts in Alabama to shoot skeet and to hunt.

This is true. However, 911 changed everything. The Lawton-Ft. Sill skeet range is located on Ft. Sill. That range was closed for a few years after 911 while the Army worked out a plan to allow civilian club members to bring their guns on post.

PA-Joe · « **Reply #26 on:** November 09, 2009, 04:07:08 AM »

In PA all handgun transactions are required to go through the county sheriff's office or an FFL for a background check. The PA State Police (PSP) are keeping a record of all calls for fiearms background checks. If a LEO calls the PSP on a handgun the PSP will tell them that it was sold to xyz person. If you are not xyz person then the LEO will keep the handgun until you can prove ownership or you hire an attorney to go get it for you. In some cases if your last name matches the former owner's or it is your spouse they will let you keep it. PA also has a stolen firearms list which they also check.

Not a registration but they are lists!

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #27 on:** November 09, 2009, 04:34:08 AM »

Quote from: alsaqr on November 09, 2009, 02:09:05 AM

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The military has a registration system.

Bingo.

Everyone who shoots or hunts on a US Army installation is required to have their guns registered with the firearms and vehicle registration branch. If a person attempts to bring a gun on post that is not registered and is caught at the gate, that person will be turned around. A non-LEO caught with a concealed handgun on an Army post is going to get a quick trip to the US magistrate.

I am looking at my Ft. Sill, OK Weapons Permit which lists the guns I am allowed to bring on that post. The registration is good for four years. The database is kept at the Pentagon.

Not true I hunt where I work at, Bluegrass Army depot, and we do not have to regester a gun when it is brought on post. There are very strict regulations but no regestration.

gypsyman · « **Reply #28 on:** November 09, 2009, 04:42:08 AM »

Sounds like a C.O. option. Years back at Camp Perry, when I was setting up for the match's, rode my motorcycle to the base. Told I couldn't enter the base without wearing a helmet. So I had to park my bike at the road and walk back. Couple years later, noticed several guys on motorcycles riding on base without helmets. When I asked a couple MP's walking up and down commercial row, they had said that the new base commander had changed the rule. gypsyman

Sensai · « **Reply #29 on:** November 09, 2009, 12:00:49 PM »

I read all these accounts of different state laws, and get depressed. What part of "shall not be infringed" do these legislators not understand. The Constitution is really not that hard to understand. It's written in english, so it doesn't need to be "interpreted".

Sorry, just had to rant. Thanks for letting me blow off steam.