Author Topic: I just couldn't do it (Read 1355 times)

Questor · « **on:** November 06, 2009, 08:13:03 AM »

I was at the liquor store yesterday getting some cooking wine when a GI walked it. It is my policy pay for stuff for GIs, like at restaurants. This GI was buying a bottle of whiskey, and I just couldn't bring myself to say the familiar words "Excuse me, soldier, let me get that for you. It's the least I can do." If it had been a six pack of beer I probably would have bought for him. But I just don't want to encourage liquor drinking. It was a test of what I really believe.

teamnelson · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2009, 09:04:11 AM »

Questor, you're a good man; GIs would rather you live your conscience, as that's what its all about.

Brett · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2009, 10:02:44 AM »

Don't understand why people differentiate between beer and hard liquor. Alcohol is alcohol whether it is in beer, wine or booze. The amount of alcohol in one shot of liquor is approximately equal to one 16oz beer.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a teetotaler I'm just pointing out that it does not make any difference what you choose to drink the 'active' ingredient is all the same just in different quantities.

That said, I would feel a lot better about paying for a soldier's meal than for any type of alcoholic beverage given the problem alcoholism is today.

MGMorden · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2009, 10:19:40 AM »

Quote from: Brett on November 06, 2009, 10:02:44 AM

Don't understand why people differentiate between beer and hard liquor. Alcohol is alcohol whether it is in beer, wine or booze. The amount of alcohol in one shot of liquor is approximately equal to one 16oz beer.

Agreed. Liquor is often demonized as something far worse than "ordinary" beer, but as you say - alcohol is alcohol.

Surprised that in your state you could even buy cooking wine in the liquor store though. In SC you can't sell beer/wine in the same store as liquor (a law that I've never found sensible, but along with Georgia, SC still has some of the worst "blue laws" in the country). The stores that do have it have them physically separated so that even if the same owner owns both, you have to walk out of one and then back into the other. I just figured it was that way everywhere

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I'll honestly say as someone who drink rarely (I literally drink only on New Years, Halloween, the superbowl, my birthday, and my friends' birthdays), I prefer liquor/spirits far more. Beer and wine just don't taste right, while a good vodka cocktail is much better, and even a good whiskey is good straight when taken very slowly.

Dee · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2009, 11:34:51 AM »

Quote from: Questor on November 06, 2009, 08:13:03 AM

I was at the liquor store yesterday getting some cooking wine when a GI walked it. It is my policy pay for stuff for GIs, like at restaurants. This GI was buying a bottle of whiskey, and I just couldn't bring myself to say the familiar words "Excuse me, soldier, let me get that for you. It's the least I can do." If it had been a six pack of beer I probably would have bought for him. But I just don't want to encourage liquor drinking. It was a test of what I really believe.

Questor I have the same policy, however, I extend my policy to cigarettes, not just alcohol. There is one question to ask one's self. Name one good thing that alcohol provides in it's consumption that is necessary. Answer? Nothing! Food is another thing entirely. If one cannot have a good time without alcohol in any form, there is something missing with the person himself. I am not against it mind you, I used to drink a little. I just never NEEDED it. Good decision.

Swampman · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2009, 11:45:58 AM »

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Wine is good for you.

I don't drink but I don't mind if others do as long as they drink responsibly. I gotta buy some JD for the Tennessee Whiskey Cake I'm gonna bake for the holidays.

Perhaps the soldier has a reason to drown his pain. God bless him!

Dee · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2009, 11:58:42 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on November 06, 2009, 11:45:58 AM

1 Timothy 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.

Wine is good for you.

I don't drink but I don't mind if others do as long as they drink responsibly. I gotta buy some JD for the Tennessee Whiskey Cake I'm gonna bake for the holidays.

Perhaps the soldier has a reason to drown his pain. God bless him!

If your gonna get all churchy on us Swampy quote the scripture on STRONG DRINK, not wine. Whiskey is STRONG DRINK. And also, GIVE ONE GOOD REASON TO "DROWN YOUR PAIN" IN WHISKEY? If you want a challenge use a Biblical verse to back you answer, while your researching the "PROPER SCRIPTURE" on STRONG DRINK.

Swampman · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2009, 12:11:19 PM »

Whiskey is only strong if you drink it straight. A mixed drink is the same as one beer or one glass of wine. It's all about self control. If my wife passed away I'd probably drink myself to death or at least try to.

jimster · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2009, 12:34:38 PM »

"It's all about self control." I have to agree with this, I can't really see a difference in any kind of drink, there people hooked on beer and wino's too. You have to have self control and if you can't sip a beer or a fine whiskey and stop after you feel relaxed, you have no self control. Usually you can feel it after one drink, maybe two. Time for coffee then for me. I like to partake on only a friday, or maybe Saturday too, I never take a drink any other day. I'm a big boy now. All that being said, I would not buy a solder a bottle of whiskey, don't sound right to me either. Would not want to be a part of messing him up or worse if he lost control. I got nothing against anyone who is dead set against of drink of whiskey, I'm open minded. I just sure hope some law isn't passed someday so I can't have a drink though, I don't want anyone elses views to regulate what I do in my own place.

Mohawk · « **Reply #9 on:** November 06, 2009, 12:56:06 PM »

I would buy a meal, clothes, gas, and etc. for any soldier I came across. But not alcohol. If he wants liquor he probably just needs to talk. I would rather talk to him/her. Normally, if someone wants a drink they go to a bar. If they want to get hammered they buy a 1.75 liter of vodka, whiskey, or rum and the fuse is lit. Plus, just because they are in uniform does not mean they're 21.

Dee · « **Reply #10 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:00:56 PM »

Quote from: Swampman on November 06, 2009, 12:11:19 PM

Whiskey is only strong if you drink it straight. A mixed drink is the same as one beer or one glass of wine. It's all about self control. If my wife passed away I'd probably drink myself to death or at least try to.

:DWell that one is right up there where it belongs, in the stupid class on answers. Whiskey and wine are not the same but, I doubt your capable of absorbing the information. See ya Swampy.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #11 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:16:50 PM »

i was given a 1/5 0f WILD TURKEY 7 years ago....bonus for a job well done

it helps me when i can't sleep

it is now 2/3 gone

year after next i calculate it will be gone

will i be safer to buy beer or wine when its gone

or just suffer ocasional insomnia

alcohol is alcohol no matter the delivery system......for 90% the point is mute

one in 10 [10%] people are alcoholics......they need to drink alcohol in NO form

in my family it may be higher

i will buy you a drink before you will even smoke near me

i have come to avoid my friends that have become alcoholics

powderman · « **Reply #12 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:18:12 PM »

DEE. I don't see Swampman getting all churchy about anything. Don't have time to look it up but he's right and the strong drink YOU allude to is I believe found in Proverbs. Since it's you, I did look it up. Proverbs, 31st ch, verses 6 and 7. POWDERMAN.

Dee · « **Reply #13 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:18:32 PM »

nw_hunter · « **Reply #14 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:22:18 PM »

But I just don't want to encourage liquor drinking.

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"WELL" You were in the same store, buying the same type of liquid refreshment! (Alcohol)

If he were a fat soldier, would you ask to buy his lunch in a cafe?

Dee · « **Reply #15 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:41:14 PM »

Quote from: powderman on November 06, 2009, 01:18:12 PM

DEE. I don't see Swampman getting all churchy about anything. Don't have time to look it up but he's right and the strong drink YOU allude to is I believe found in Proverbs. Since it's you, I did look it up. Proverbs, 31st ch, verses 6 and 7. POWDERMAN.

I usually don't acknowledge your presents, or posts, but I will make an exception here, since an untruth bedded in ignorance has been brought forth, during an honest effort of seeking the truth, and a concern for doing the right thing with Questor's orginal post, and question.

Proverbs Chapter 31 verse 6. Give strong drink unto him THAT IS READY TO PERISH, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
This verse is a WARNING TO THOSE PARTAKING IN STRONG DRINK.

Verse 7. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.

Study is needed here, as this verse is talking about INSENSIBILITY, and JUSTIFIYING THE UNJUSTIFIABLE ACT.

Proverbs Chapter 20 verse 1. WINE IS A "MOCKER", STRONG DRINK IS RAGING: AND WHOSOEVER IS DECEIVED THEREBY "IS NOT WISE"

Also, Proverbs Chapter 21 verse 17, Chapter 23 verse 31, Chapter 31 verse 4, Isiah Chapter 5 verse 11, Chapter 28 verse 1 Chapter 56 verse 12. Hosea Chapter 4 verse 11. Ephesians Chapter 5 verse 18.

Bottom line is, you don't know what your talking about, and defending Swampy's goofy Bible interpretation makes as much sense as sitting in an ant bed.

Hodr · « **Reply #16 on:** November 06, 2009, 01:58:47 PM »

I won't buy booze for anyone as Alcahol has given a long slow bitter death to members of my family. I will pay for a seviceman's meal or a vet wearing reunion colors and thier families any chance I get. Both of these are a lesson from my father on reponsibility, pride, and payback. Older I get, the smarter I think my father was.

blindhari
Sgt Ranger
Like my father before me

ironglow · « **Reply #17 on:** November 06, 2009, 02:12:22 PM »

I will buy food or some needed thing..leave the alcohol to others. As a GI i was never too impressed by my fellow soldiers when they were drinking.
Of course, I am a tee-totaler...and I thought right off, the verse Dee originally referred to was likely (Proverbs 20:1).
Still, I would not condemn others who choose to drink..so long as they hurt nobody else.

powderman · « **Reply #18 on:** November 06, 2009, 03:05:43 PM »

dee. You seem to be getting ruder every post. You now have the honor of going on my ignore list. POWDERMAN.

The Hermit · « **Reply #19 on:** November 06, 2009, 03:43:31 PM »

I travel not too far from Ft Drum, NY and most everytime I eat out, I will offer to buy a GI his lunch, shake his hand, and thank him for his or her service to our great nation. Most of them usually say "thanks, you don't need to do that", but I feel better making a small contribution to society.
I would have a hard time with doing it with alcohol, not so much as on moral grounds, but because of the alcohol related accidents. I would feel terrible if I helped contribute to that.
While you and I can probably control what we would do with a drink, I could never second guess a stranger.
Regardless of all of your personal feelings about alcohol and what the bible teaches us, please do what you can afford, to help others.

The Hermit

Dee · « **Reply #20 on:** November 06, 2009, 03:46:13 PM »

Quote from: powderman on November 06, 2009, 03:05:43 PM

dee. You seem to be getting ruder every post. You now have the honor of going on my ignore list. POWDERMAN.

The reason I ignore you is you are nothing more than a "stalking TROLL" when it comes to folks like TM7. You follow him around from thread to thread to insult him, and seldom add ANYTHING to the conversation, more than delighting in trying to insult him. I have no idea why you are allowed to do this. YOU! Tell ME, I'm rude when you stalk this member as a TROLL? Such a hypocrite. In fact your ARE a stalking TROLL, and "I am honored" that I am now on your ignore list. Perhaps you will now quit trying to communicate with me. I have no use for you.

Swampman · « **Reply #21 on:** November 06, 2009, 05:30:27 PM »

Dee you did an excellent job of defending drinking. I'll have to write those quotes down. Thanks!

Dee · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2009, 02:39:33 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on November 06, 2009, 05:30:27 PM

Dee you did an excellent job of defending drinking. I'll have to write those quotes down. Thanks!

Swampy that you got that, out of my post, is not a surprise to me at all. You habitually go in the opposite direction of truth. Perhaps it is an allergic reaction to it.

Swampman · « **Reply #23 on:** November 07, 2009, 02:42:26 AM »

Just read those quotes.

Dee · « **Reply #24 on:** November 07, 2009, 02:48:36 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on November 07, 2009, 02:42:26 AM

Just read those quotes.

Wine is a MOCKER, Strong drink is RAGING? That is a defense for drinking? Your one of a kind Swampy. I'm just not sure "which" kind.

sk330lc · « **Reply #25 on:** November 07, 2009, 05:28:38 AM »

DiD the GI have a cold??? I keep a bottle Wiskey just for colds. Just Like my Granny!

Dee · « **Reply #26 on:** November 07, 2009, 05:30:52 AM »

Quote from: sk330lc on November 07, 2009, 05:28:38 AM

DiD the GI have a cold??? I keep a bottle Wiskey just for colds. Just Like my Granny!

A fruited brandy works better, and coats the throat better.JMO

sk330lc · « **Reply #27 on:** November 07, 2009, 05:58:00 AM »

Mixed with Tea and Honey Wiskey works just fine. Thanks

slim rem 7 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 07, 2009, 08:43:18 AM »

if i see an old guy in a army jacket ,,i know it could be from the good will store n..
talking veterans an talking alcoholism really don t fit..for me anyway..
if i refuse him and hes a veteran like some i know that need escape from real
monsters hidden in thier subconcious.. to each his own..if i can give a dn an outer a hand ..id rather it be a meal.. but i ll let him choose his minutes relief ..
i don t smoke now.. but during my devorce im not sure if i would not have ended it,, but for ole buddy
ciggerettes that took me through evenings when id stare at a blank tv set from time i got home from work until i somehow went to sleep..we just can t know a man until we walk a mile in his shoes..
but i will spend some time withim.. during that time i ll try an encourage him to give faith a chance..
it can happen .. my grandpa hensen was a terror..then a preacher he respected ,,went against his whole congregation,,an started spending time with jasper henson..
jasper lived many sober years ,as a christian an repenting every day to his wife an his god..because that preacher did not give up..he quit cold turkey one wednesday night.. don t often happen that way but it did that time.. always invite god into the mix.. nothing is impossible..just like anything else that matters ,,you never give up the fight..

powderman · « **Reply #29 on:** November 07, 2009, 01:20:03 PM »

SLIM. Good post Sir. POWDERMAN.