Author Topic: Anyone ever ream a 30-30 barrel to 307? .... or to 30/40 Krag?? (Read 1949 times)

Elkoholic · « **on:** October 31, 2009, 03:55:10 PM »

Anyone ever ream a 30-30 barrel to 307 winchester? ...or 30/40 Krag??

Not that it does anything a 308 barrel couldn't.

Just curious.

I like unique gun/caliber combinations...

Thanks,
Mike

LONGTOM · « **Reply #1 on:** October 31, 2009, 04:15:26 PM »

Not yet, but I do have an extra barrel waiting just for that.
The 307 is a super round for a Handi.
I have a Win 94 big bore in it and love it.
Have taken many deer with it.
I hand load mine with some of the old Win 150gr silvertip round nose bullets I have had for years.
Was getting around an 1" to an 1.25" at 100 with them.

I know when I first took it to the range for sighting I was laughed at for carrying a lever.
Everyone knows I am a 270 man.
When I told them I was going to use it for deer season they said there is no way you are going to carry a 30/30, you like your 270 to much for that to happen.
A few minutes later I touched off a round and I heard one of them say,"What was that?" and another member said "I don't know but it sure ain't no 30/30".
When I told them it was a 307 most of them didn't even know what it was.
Try and tell someone that you basicly have a 308 in a lever action.
They just don't understand.

I had hoped mine would have been done by now but just keep putting it off along with rechambering one of my 22 hornets to 221 fireball and my extra BC to 45-120.
They will get done this winter and be readdy for next year!

Go ahead and try the 307.
I think you will like it a lot.

LONGTOM

carbineman · « **Reply #2 on:** October 31, 2009, 05:24:23 PM »

With the 30-30 being a somewhat longer case, the chamber will not completely clean up. That has been discussed here before and most thought it probably wouldn't matter. Being that the 307 operates at higher pressure levels, one might want a newer receiver that supposedly handles higher pressure rounds. Some of the older receivers from the present day company cannot be fitted with certain barrels because of this. I'm sure that you already knew all of this, but I thought I would throw it out there anyway.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #3 on:** October 31, 2009, 05:48:51 PM »

The AmmoGuide rechamber program indicates a 30-30 chamber could be rechambered to 307Win, the only thing I see to be an issue is the neck will be longer which shouldn't hurt anything.

Tim

http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/aichamber.cgi

briannmilewis · « **Reply #4 on:** October 31, 2009, 05:55:09 PM »

Tim has a better reference source than me, but as carbineman says:

Quote from: carbineman on October 31, 2009, 05:24:23 PM

With the 30-30 being a somewhat longer case, the chamber will not completely clean up. That has been discussed here before and most thought it probably wouldn't matter.

The 30-30 max case length is 2.039", cartridge overall length 2.550" and the 307 max case length is 2.015", cartridge overall length 2.560". Even though the case difference is 0.024" the COL differences is only 0.010". The significance of these differences is what folks will disagree about.

Tim is the man!

Lefty Dude · « **Reply #5 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:16:21 PM »

Sure is nice with that long neck throat if ya ever want to shoot cast bullets, like 190-220 gr's.

I wonder if the rifle twist will be right for the heavy bullets ?

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #6 on:** October 31, 2009, 06:30:15 PM »

Quote from: Elkoholic on October 31, 2009, 03:55:10 PM

Anyone ever ream a 30-30 barrel to 307 winchester?

Not that it does anything a 308 barrel couldn't.

Just curious.

I like unique gun/caliber combinations...

Thanks,
Mike

What about making the 30-30 a 30-40 Krag if you want a unique gun.
Other ideas are 303 Brit or 7.62X54 Russian loaded with 308 bullets rather than .311.

Elkoholic · « **Reply #7 on:** October 31, 2009, 07:17:55 PM »

Mcwooduck - I almost added the 30/40 Krag also. It would be more unique and the longer case would clean up the chamber.
My brother had a sporterized krag back in the mid-60's. Great gun. Wished he hadn't sold it.

Modified the original post to include the 30/40 Krag.

Mike

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** October 31, 2009, 09:44:27 PM »

Quote from: Lefty Dude on October 31, 2009, 06:16:21 PM

Sure is nice with that long neck throat if ya ever want to shoot cast bullets, like 190-220 gr's.

I wonder if the rifle twist will be right for the heavy bullets ?

The 30-30 has a 1:10" twist, my 30-06 Ultracomp has the same twist, shoots 200gr Nosler Partitions excellent.

Tim

MSP Ret · « **Reply #9 on:** November 01, 2009, 12:42:45 AM »

I have a 30-40 Handi who's barrel started life as a 30-30. I recieved it from a very kind member here (AtLaw). The chamber had some problems of sticking and was worked on and worked on by polishing. The agressive polishing may have in itself caused a small problem which seems to have been cleaned up and eliminated now. In any event, it is a great and extremely accurate shooter and seems to be working fine now. I highly recommend a 30-40 from a 30-30 if you can't live with the 30-30, which is a wonderful cartridge in itself and even better in a Handi, since you can reload with any bullet you want to use, spitzer style or any pointed bullet you would like to use....<><....

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #10 on:** November 01, 2009, 02:22:08 AM »

I also redid a 30/30 to 30/40Krag works great and packs a punch nothing the '06 can't do but just differant. Kurt

jeepmann1948 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 01, 2009, 02:40:41 AM »

Just wondering why not get a 308 barrel and be done? more punch and if you want a rim just cut one in the 308 and make it a bi caliber 307 & 308

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #12 on:** November 01, 2009, 02:48:17 AM »

I also read here some where.
One guy has a 308 / 307 Win barrel and will shoot both.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #13 on:** November 01, 2009, 02:51:38 AM »

someone here has done that and has posted about it. I have a 30-06 so I do not really need a .308 or a .307, but have been watching for a .308 barrel none the less, and the added rim cut to accommodate the .307 is a thought. I do think however, the .307 will be going the way of the Do Do bird....<><....

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #14 on:** November 01, 2009, 03:13:47 AM »

People said that about the 405 Win and now there are new guns and loads.

I tend to agree with you. I don't think the 307 lived up to what Win said.
Mostly because of the round nose bleeding off energy quickly.
It is not that much more than the 30-30, and in the woods with a round nose bullet, a deer will not know.
If you have a Win 94 angle eject in 307. It is a great rifle.
But like the 30 Rem the was an auto version of the 30-30 it never really made it over the original round.

Re-thinking this again why not 30-30 Ackley Improved. getting a 150 grain bullet to 2600+ FPS and the 307 is 2700+ FPS.
And you can walk into any gun shop and walk out with a box of 30-30. You will probably have to order 307 ammo.
As both in the handi can use what ever 308 projectile you want.

There is also the 309 JDJ that is based on the 444 Marlin if you are thinking of a T/C Contender. But the contender also comes in 30-30. Mine shoots 30-30 just fine.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #15 on:** November 01, 2009, 09:33:11 AM »

I think Longtom has the duel caliber?? Kurt

MSP Ret · « **Reply #16 on:** November 01, 2009, 09:43:55 AM »

just an idea, but could you fire a .308 in a .307 Winchester Angle eject 94 (in a pinch)? I am sure you would have to use a cleaning rod to punch out the empty, but would it work?....<><....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** November 01, 2009, 09:48:04 AM »

I think CW has a 307/308 Survivor.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,166531.msg1098761081.html#msg1098761081

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #18 on:** November 01, 2009, 10:03:59 AM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on November 01, 2009, 09:43:55 AM

just an idea, but could you fire a .308 in a .307 Winchester Angle eject 94 (in a pinch)? I am sure you would have to use a cleaning rod to punch out the empty, but would it work?....<><....

In your 94? i would say NO.
I think the pressure of the 308 Win is more than your 94 can handle.
And while it my fire, I would not want to hold it.

Mitch in MI · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2009, 10:20:15 AM »

Quote from: MSP Ret on November 01, 2009, 02:51:38 AM

someone here has done that and has posted about it.

308 to 307 would be easier than 30-30 to .307, with the 308 you only need cut a rim in the chamber.
John/Jack from Texas (what was his handle, deadeye?) did one, I think he also shortened it and put a brake on it.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #20 on:** November 01, 2009, 10:23:03 AM »

Here's a pic of John's(Deadeye47) 307 Survivor, bless his soul.

Tim

Swampman · « **Reply #21 on:** November 01, 2009, 10:46:12 AM »

With the .30-40 and the .307 you get a rim. IMO you really need a rim in a single shot rifle. I'd go with the .30-40 it's the best of the bunch IMO.

Elkoholic · « **Reply #22 on:** November 01, 2009, 05:56:10 PM »

Jeepman1 - not trying to be mean spirited.... but if you have to ask, you don't get it.

It's not about the which caliber would do it the easiest, or even the best. It's about a road less traveled.
It's about doing things different. It's about having a unique, sometimes historic cartridge...

Look at the wish lists. You'll see many calibers with respect to this way of thinking. Take wildcat cartridges
for another example.

No viewpoint is wrong. Just different tastes. That's what makes it fun!

Enjoy!
Mike

LONGTOM · « **Reply #23 on:** November 01, 2009, 06:00:49 PM »

Quote from: PHATINJUN on November 01, 2009, 09:33:11 AM

I think Longtom has the duel caliber?? Kurt

Not me!

LONGTOM

MSP Ret · « **Reply #24 on:** November 02, 2009, 12:36:10 AM »

a rim is not needed in any single shot (Handi), all my rimless cartridges in my Handis work perfectly. Granted an old fashioned rimmed cartridge in an old fashioned single shot rifle seem go together, and even I like that combination, but rimless cartridges work fine in my Handis. I would however really like to get a Handi in that old and great (rimmed) cartridge, the .348 Winchester....<><...

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #25 on:** November 02, 2009, 12:50:23 AM »

Well if not you LONGTOM then it must be CW you guys got all the cool stuff

Kurt

ihookem · « **Reply #26 on:** November 02, 2009, 01:30:23 AM »

I was in a gunshop once and mentioned all the calibers out there. The owner laughed sarcasticly and said what we need is more calibers. I was a little funny, I know what he means. I was at the range and a guy pulls out a 30 bs.

It's almost exactly like a 300 Sav. (then why not a 300 Sav?

) I hear the 30-40 is a real good caliber and see it in gun shops. I don't recall ever seeing a 307. I'd go with a 30-40, not that it matters to me. ..... Why did a turkey just run full blast across my back yard just now? later, steve.

bill439 · « **Reply #27 on:** November 02, 2009, 05:12:46 AM »

I converted a 30-30 to .307win. last year. Couldn't get the 30-30 to group well. So now I have a .307 that doesn't group well. Best I can do is 3 1/4 " @ 100 yds and this is better than when it was a 30-30. I like the conversion and have had no problems with the gun or reloaded ammo. My above mentioned load was with a 150gr Sierra Spitzer, imr 4064, win brass, win lr primer average vel is approx 2640 fps. I haven't hunted with this combo yet as I am not too happy with the accuracy. Will most likely use in the woods with shots limited to 50 yds. It was and still is a practical conversion, all I did was use a .308 reamer to cut the chamber-and done! I haven't gotten around to shooting the heavy bullets yet 180s and up (been working on other toys-.375/.338) I hope the heavier bullets may provide better accuracy. No matter what chamber you go with, it's likely not to shoot any better than what you started as. Like me faster but not anymore accurate. Would I do it again ? yes, but maybe 30-40 may be my choice this go-round. Man that hind-sight sure is great. Wishing you luck on your new chamber, Bill439

ihookem · « **Reply #28 on:** November 02, 2009, 01:19:57 PM »

Hey Bill why not spend a few hundred more and go with 30-40 and get back to us if it's more accurate?

clearwater · « **Reply #29 on:** November 02, 2009, 01:23:57 PM »

Quote from: Elkoholic on October 31, 2009, 03:55:10 PM

Anyone ever ream a 30-30 barrel to 307 winchester? ...or 30/40 Krag??

Not that it does anything a 308 barrel couldn't.

Just curious.

I like unique gun/caliber combinations...

Thanks,
Mike

I went with the krag and love it.It shoots 150 and 220 grain jacketed bullets as well as I can
do with iron sights and also 170 grain cast bullets. It shot okay as a 30=30, but now I get
2700 fps with 150 grain and 2100 fps with 220 grain and I think the rechamber cleaned it
up some and it shoots better.