Author Topic: So Dad put a 308 thru his 270 yesterday..... (Read 3198 times)

snapcrackpop · « **on:** September 27, 2009, 05:42:14 AM »

Dad went to check his zero on his trusty old Rem 700 in 270 yesterday...
He grabed 3 shells an loaded them in the magazine.
He thought something was a little fishy when the shell loaded hard, but with some effort he was able to get the bolt down.

THEN HE FIRED IT!!!?? ??!!!!

Don't know if he hit paper or not, but he realized something was really wrong when he couldn't get the bolt back open.
Then he discovered he had grabbed Mom's 308 shell by mistake.

Dad is usually a smart, neat and picky kind of guy.

He didn't get hurt, don't know about the gun yet.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 27, 2009, 05:44:41 AM »

That is scary.

zoner · « **Reply #2 on:** September 27, 2009, 05:54:44 AM »

AtlLaw · « **Reply #3 on:** September 27, 2009, 05:56:57 AM »

My huntin buddy did the same thing with a Ruger #1.

Just looking at the fired case is amazing! Give us a report on the action.

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #4 on:** September 27, 2009, 06:00:27 AM »

Will do.
Was the Ruger #1 damaged?

Will the Rem 700 be damaged?

AtlLaw · « **Reply #5 on:** September 27, 2009, 06:31:51 AM »

I've put a large number of rounds through his #1 .270 since he did that with no problems. After checking the rifle over of course.

About the only thing I didn't do was have the critical areas magnafluxed. No damage as far as I could tell. Musta been one heck ofa "Blue Pill" though!

yooper77 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 27, 2009, 08:51:14 AM »

I read a similar mistake in an article in Rifle magazine he shot a 7mm-08 Remington cartridge in a 25-06 Remington rifle when he was distracted from a cell phone call. His rifle was a Dakota model 10 and luckily the bullet was a standard copper cup lead core and was forced down the barrel with no damage found. The deformed 7mm-08 Remington case also ejected without any trouble.

yooper77

Skunk · « **Reply #7 on:** September 27, 2009, 08:55:41 AM »

Wow, talk about putting the squeeze on the bullet. Praise the good Lord that Dad was not injured.

stimpylu32 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 27, 2009, 08:56:22 AM »

Very glad no one was hurt , could have been much worse .

another good reason not to headspace of the Ogive .

stimpy

myarmor · « **Reply #9 on:** September 27, 2009, 10:42:26 AM »

My uncle did the same with a 308, but in a 25-06 Browning Low Wall (I believe).... it EXPLODED into pieces!
Long story short, he had to have eye surgery, and has a hard time seeing in his right eye now. Fortunately he wasn't killed

I am glad you father is ok.
You can never be too careful..

-Aaron

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #10 on:** September 27, 2009, 11:17:55 AM »

Quote from: stimpylu32 on September 27, 2009, 08:56:22 AM

Very glad no one was hurt , could have been much worse . another good reason not to headspace of the Ogive .

stimpy

I'm glad noone was hurt also.

That's the bad version of golfball through a garden hose.

Graybeard · « **Reply #11 on:** September 27, 2009, 11:39:05 AM »

Such stories always amaze me how folks can be so lax in their own safety and by lack of proper procedures for shooting. Nope it has never happened to me and I'd not expect it ever will. I NEVER EVER have to different calibers on the bench at the same time. NEVER. No exceptions. I keep each different round in its own box clearly marked as to what is in it. When I sit down to shoot I look at the caliber marking on the box and rounds and make sure they are same as rifle being fired. No exceptions ever.

It's just like the safety precautions one must take to safely reload ammo. Not everyone seems to realize that if you are in any way distracted by other events going on around you then you should NOT be reloading or shooting. Both tasks require 100% of your mental faculties at all times.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #12 on:** September 27, 2009, 01:44:17 PM »

I am very happy your father is all right. Things could have been much much worse. We should all thank God that it did not blow up in his face and kill him. Now I have to say he made a huge mistake. If I were to load a round and I really had to exert force to chamber that round that I never had before. I think a light bulb would have gone off in my head and ejected the round to take a look at it. I don't think under any circumstances I would force a round into the chamber. That right there should tell you something. I am glad he is ok and I hope everyone here learned something. Dale

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #13 on:** September 28, 2009, 03:21:26 AM »

Quote from: DALESCARPENTRY on September 27, 2009, 01:44:17 PM

If I were to load a round and I really had to exert force to chamber that round that I never had before..... I don't think under any circumstances I would force a round into the chamber. That right there should tell you something......

A month ago I had my gunsmith working on my 308 Sevens bolt. It was getting poor accuracy. Another issue I had with the gun was the magazine wasn't pusing up the shells.
He found a loose scope rail screw, lapped the rings, I purchased a new Burris scope and he put a few handloads and factorys thru it. Some Hornadys grouped pretty good.

He thought it might need a bedding job because he couldn't get the stock screws tight to spec. without putting pressure on the bolt. I guess one of the screws go thru the frame and can actually touch front bolt lug...?? He recalled one of the Remington shells seemed to load a little hard and noticed friction on the bolt.

So when checking out my feeding problem he noticed that the Z shaped spring was slipping down and under the edge of the magazine. That was causing binding of the stock and frame. After that was fixed with a little tape, the screws were able to tighten down correctly, shells fed correctly and the acuraccy improved.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** September 28, 2009, 04:37:37 AM »

While shopping at a Jumbo Sports i saw a guy bring back a Browning Bolt action that was marked 30-06 but the bore was 270 . The chamber was 30-06 . He said the round chambered and fired and sounded like a jet plane with the pressure comming out the vent , brass was comming out of the action vent , the bolt had been opened and brass was in the fireing pin hole and pluged it . the bore was clear not sure if he knocked the bullet out or it went down the bbl when fired as he said the noise sounded like a jet plane not a gun shot . The guy wanted another gun . he had not been hurt or realized the danger . The lady manger didn't know what to do . A friend and i had been in the store alot and knew her so we suggested she contact Browning . The gave the guy a new gun and wanted the old one .
Sometimes its not the shooters fault .

Halwg · « **Reply #15 on:** September 28, 2009, 06:06:43 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on September 27, 2009, 11:39:05 AM

Such stories always amaze me how folks can be so lax in their own safety and by lack of proper procedures for shooting. Nope it has never happened to me and I'd not expect it ever will. I NEVER EVER have to different calibers on the bench at the same time. NEVER. No exceptions. I keep each different round in its own box clearly marked as to what is in it. When I sit down to shoot I look at the caliber marking on the box and rounds and make sure they are same as rifle being fired. No exceptions ever.

It's just like the safety precautions one must take to safely reload ammo. Not everyone seems to realize that if you are in any way distracted by other events going on around you then you should NOT be reloading or shooting. Both tasks require 100% of your mental faculties at all times.

I agree. This is only common safety sense. But I've worked around the oil and gas industry for enough years to know that people get lax and that's when accidents occur. I certainly make sure I have the correct ammunition.

As far as guns marked wrong....Many years ago a friend and I were in a gun shop in Eastern OH. In the used rack was a really nice bolt action marked 30-06. I was shooting a Remington 760 at the time in 30-06 and he wanted a bolt in 30-06. We both looked the gun over, checked the bore, and everything looked great.

We took the gun back to his mother's farm where he had a bench and target range set up. He put a target at 25 yards and fired. No hit on the paper. He's telling me to watch again and he fires the 2nd shot. I don't see where it hit, but I commented that the gun sounded "funny." Well, we checked the fired case and it was blown out to 35 caliber. The gun had been rebarreled to 35 Whelen Improved and was still marked 30-06. Why we didn't notice the 35 caliber bore, I'll never know, but the gun shop sold it as a 30-06. After we went back and complained to the gun shop, he actually ended up keeping the gun and reloading for it.

Luckily in this case all we did was resize the brass, but it it had been rebarreled to a 270, it would have been big problems.

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #16 on:** September 28, 2009, 06:40:13 AM »

I remember at the range at Fort Dix we were changing from the M-1 to the M-14,the range officer dumped a pile of ammo next to us and then said it my be 30/06 and 308 mixed,so to check them out because the rifle may blow up.He was not to concerned about it.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #17 on:** September 28, 2009, 06:44:52 AM »

Glad there were no casualties other than the rifle, reminds me of the 7.62 Russian in the 243 H&R incident, bad stuff can happen in an instant! $:-\$

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,70638.msg433117.html#msg433117

Graybeard · « **Reply #18 on:** September 28, 2009, 09:02:34 AM »

Quote from: kitchawan kid on September 28, 2009, 06:40:13 AM

I remember at the range at Fort Dix we were changing from the M-1 to the M-14,the range officer dumped a pile of ammo next to us and then said it my be 30/06 and 308 mixed,so to check them out because the rifle may blow up.He was not to concerned about it.

Minimal reason for concern really. Both are very strong rifles, both are .308" bore and there is no way you're gonna cram an '06 case in a .308 chamber and if you do it vice versa it either won't fire or will and while some gas might leak little more should happen.

charles p · « **Reply #19 on:** September 28, 2009, 11:16:54 AM »

Was hunting in GA 30 years ago when someone put a 270 in their 7mag before daylight. Made a 200 yard shot and killed the deer. Had to punch the brass out of the chamber with a cleaning rod. Not good, but at least the projectile was smaller than the bore.

I've gotten to the stand with the wrong ammo and had to walk back to the truck to get the right caliber. Think this has happened twice in 40 years. Have also hunted all day with an empty rifle - by mistake.

John Traveler · « **Reply #20 on:** September 30, 2009, 07:08:24 PM »

When the 7.62x51 NATO cartridge was developed and adopted in the M14 rifle, and the M1 was still standard issue, the Government ran extensive tests to determine the hazard to the soldier if 7.62 NATO ammunition was accidentally fired in the .30-06 chamber. The conclusion was that the shoulder of the 7.62 NATO case pretty well sealed the chamber area of the .30-06 chamber, and would safely fire. It is not a recommended practice, of course, and not to be done except in the most desparate of circumstances, but it is not dangerous.

kitchawan kid · « **Reply #21 on:** October 01, 2009, 01:48:19 AM »

Maybe the range officers at Dix just wanted you to have a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #22 on:** October 01, 2009, 02:21:24 AM »

The gunsmith said he has to cut off or grind the bolt head and the case is kinda welded to the bolt face. Should have the gun back up and running by Saturday, according to what my Dad relayed to me.

I asked, "Why don't you just get a new bolt?" He said they can't....something about salvaging the extractor because they don't make them anymore....?

This is about a 1970's Remington 700 bolt action........are there discontinued parts?

yooper77 · « **Reply #23 on:** October 01, 2009, 02:54:46 AM »

Quote from: snapcrackpop on October 01, 2009, 02:21:24 AM

The gunsmith said he has to cut off or grind the bolt head and the case is kinda welded to the bolt face. Should have the gun back up and running by Saturday, according to what my Dad relayed to me.

I asked, "Why don't you just get a new bolt?" He said they can't....something about salvaging the extractor because they don't make them anymore....?

This is about a 1970's Remington 700 bolt action........are there discontinued parts?

Resurfacing the bolt face should require the barrel to be set back for proper head spacing.

yooper77

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #24 on:** October 01, 2009, 08:47:31 AM »

Quote from: yooper77 on October 01, 2009, 02:54:46 AM

Resurfacing the bolt face should require the barrel to be set back for proper head spacing.

yooper77

"set back" or Sent back?

His GS has been in business for years, I'm sure he knows what he is doing......I hope.

yooper77 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 01, 2009, 04:16:11 PM »

Quote from: snapcrackpop on October 01, 2009, 08:47:31 AM

Quote from: yooper77 on October 01, 2009, 02:54:46 AM

Resurfacing the bolt face should require the barrel to be set back for proper head spacing.

yooper77

"set back" or Sent back?

His GS has been in business for years, I'm sure he knows what he is doing......I hope.

Barrel set back, since the bolt face is re-surfaced, the head spacing will be off and needs to be adjusted properly. It sounds like you have a qualified gunsmith so no worries.

yooper77

mannyrock · « **Reply #26 on:** October 04, 2009, 06:47:54 AM »

Man, I gotta say, after an incident like that, I would simply decommission the rifle. I don't care what any gunsmith says or doesn't say. What is one or both of your eyes worth to you?? What is one or both or your childrens' eyes worth to you? And what are you trying to save here, a few hundred bucks? All for a hobby? Simply not worth it, period end of story.

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #27 on:** October 05, 2009, 04:28:53 AM »

He got the gun back from the GS yesterday, $180 bucks, all ready to go again.

Sounds like he will sight it in today or tomorrow so he's ready for Saturday early doe season.

I'd give you a range report, but he only sights in at 30 yards.

snapcrackpop · « **Reply #28 on:** October 08, 2009, 08:52:47 AM »

STOP THE PRESSES!!!

He went out to a friend's house with a 100 yard target set up! Now he's doomed to getting skunked this year......

Anyways he shot once and hit bullseye.
Grabbed Mom's 308 and hit hight and right, adjusted the scope a few clicks and put two next to his .270

Good to go!

Argonaut · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2009, 01:26:03 PM »

A friend of mine, some years ago, got an M-1 Garand through the DCM, it was a Brand new Internation Harvester. he traded it for two pre 64 model 70's one in .308 the other in .264 Win mag. He loaded a .308 in the magazine of the .264 and it picked it up and chambered it and the claw held the case against the bolt face. The rifle was destroyed, and were it not for his shooting glasses, he would have lost his right eye. as it was two thirds of the right side of his face was the color of a dark dark plum.

All because he had two kinds of ammo on the shooting bench.

Always, One kind of ammo on the shooting bench and one kind of powder on the reloading bench.

Roy