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Ejection of Rimless Cartridges
« on: September 14, 2009, 03:22:51 PM »
Hey guys, I'm a little new here and new to H&R rifles.  I had a H & R Shikari 45-70 many years ago, had ball with it.  Loaded it pretty heavy with 405 and 500 gr. cast lead bullets, both black and smokeless powder.  I didn't keep it long, my shooting buddy sold his, and I got tired of picking my glasses up off the ground ever time I pulled the trigger.  I have a Target Model in 38-55 now.
Got a question as a newbie:  How do the H & R's handle rimless cartridges, well or not?  Both mine have been chambered in rimmed cartridges which of course are easy to pick up and eject or extract.  Do they handle rimless cartridges reliably?

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Re: Ejection of Rimless Cartridges
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2009, 03:43:47 PM »
Just fine, most of mine are rimless ejectors, if it doesn't work right, your load is too hot or the ejector needs a little tune up, see the FAQs. If you want to be 100% reliable with any load, an ejector can be converted to a factory style extractor, that's covered in the FAQs too. ;)

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Re: Ejection of Rimless Cartridges
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2009, 11:59:32 PM »
 I'm not as optimistic as Tim. They work "much better" now. My fondness is for rimmed calibers in Hand Is. Just seems a better fit fit. The ejector guns of a yesteryear had many problems with stuck cases. Fixes ranged from tuning the ejector, as Tim already mentioned. (Covered in our FAQ's) To polishing the chamber. IMHO the crux of the issue is the higher pressures associated with the rimless calibers. Not that the handi is not strong enough, it is, but its not the most finely manufactured forearm out there. IMHO, there is allot of "movement" in its action upon firing these higher intensity chamberings. The forward "hinge" makes for some action "spring". The net result is stuck cases. Don't get me wrong, I love them and own quite a few of them myself. But I'm aware of there limitations and accept the challenges associated with them. The conversion to extractor was a very good step in removing allot of the ejection problems in handi's chambered for rimless calibers. Again, IMHO 40 - 45K is the pressure range handi's should be held to.

BUT, just so you don't think me a hypocrite, I also have a number of handi's in rimless calibers that never have given he a hint of a problem. I have had a couple others that needed some "help".

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Re: Ejection of Rimless Cartridges
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2009, 03:36:47 AM »
My stainless .30-06 failed to eject one out of three times.  I tried it all, and finally, with Tim's knowledge and skill, got it converted to extractor.  My .44 Magnum ejector worked fine, but I still had it converted to extractor and .445 Super Mag.  I was afraid it would go downhill when I needed it most; probably at zero degrees with a couple of ten and twelve point bucks in front of me.  The rimless ejectors should have been made with Huntsman ramrods to free stuck cases ;)  I'm a happy camper now, cause all my Handis are extractors.  And one other last thought:  Where I live, we wear gloves 13 months of the year, and I can pick a shell out and replace it just about as fast as an ejector works.

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Re: Ejection of Rimless Cartridges
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2009, 05:11:46 PM »
Thanks for the responses.  I too feel that these interesting rifles are better suited to rimmed cartridges and feel the use of rimmed cartridges in single shot rifles is just a natural.  I would certainly buy a Handi in a rimless cartridge, but mostly because of it not being available in a rimmed version in a cal. I want.  I wasn't sure if the extractor/ejector is made differently on a rimless model as opposed to a rimmed.  My Target Model in 38-55 simply has the rim come up against the ejector and stays that way.  I didn't know if it would slip over a rimless rim.
Thanks,