old man never learns..

[slim rem 7]

  well im back in good with my attourney ..turns out he had surgery an is fighting for life...
 im hoping he ll win of course..
 in any case ive decided i didn t assault this fella ..so i aint gonna say i did...
what was i thinking..
 now different subject ...today im thinking how much gettin a collarbone broke took out of me..
 i was trying to wrestle him dn when the law grabbed us ...but i couldnt have held him in a choke hold or anything..i just didn t know it..so its good thing the law got there..
  i made me something to use instead of deadly force.. i have no quick measureing jab,, no hook- uppercut withe left hand,,, no right .. nothing left...to avoid useing deadly force..[this wouldn t work on this guy hes pro level..] but ive not seen any here in this town that could take him.
 but suppose you come up on a fella just big enough to say.. ole man les ha de wallet..
 now if i killim ,,im doing time no doubt..
       so i took an old deer grunt thing you blow on an packed it with buck shot an num 8 to fill in...
 i poured seal all down in it until it was full..[i had taped the mouth piece shut]..
  took 8 strips of gorilla 90 mph tape an sealed the end.. this is not strait duct tape with its gooey glue..this exstra strong stuff.. then wrapped it good with the same tape ...
 probably five layers of it..more mabe i just wanted it to be right when i finished..
 its a little heavier than id intended but i got use to it...playin with it today..
   the original intent was a collar bone breaker as ive learned... a man with both ofum broke would be rendered much less effective than he might even realize..
 but this little black jack is gonna break most any bone it hits...if i connect to a fellas hand its gonna mess it up pretty bad..plus its got the soft inner liner under the tape...so unless you hit a glancing blow ,,im thinking the dude gonna have to wait a day or so for everything to turn black or blue..theys no promise on that but i had to wait a day for that pretty deep blue to
take over most of my left shoulder..
 now this is gonna depend on several things to work...you cant run into the same guy i did ..theys not a man in this county can whip him that i know of..i know the tough man champion fella here..
      hed just get busted up bad by my fella..hes just big enough to take enough to killem..
 also you gotta be able to take a good punch..if you cant ...this aint a plan for you..
  but if you can do that..ive made a tool that gives me a punch harder than my best..an
 i had a good punch.. its a skill anyone can learn...although there are some naturals..
  now this is not advocating violent attacks ...its letting those who have lost 90 percent of thier ability to defend themselves without useing fire arms or knife ,,have an option if they see themselves or thier family at the mercy of strong armed bullies...
  yes my wife was angry at first... then i told her,, hon you knew id never be passive when you accepted me as a husband... you liked it then...you want me to just not use this thing to protect you... she just cheered up an went on her way ,,back to napping..
 now us old folk can t be foolish now... younguns all ways got the advantage of quick moves an reflexes..but it does give me an tool that they can t take to much from..it hits just that hard...
 so good luck... you know if this would interest you..if some big punk starts slapping you around,,, there is something you do ....other than killem..if he takes it away from you killem ,,an take your chances in court..but thats gonna be hard for a man to do in my case.. my shoulders coming back..im retired an have started a familar conditioning program.. right now im at less than 5 min..
 got plenty of time as far as i know to bring old folk conditioning to its best...the key to my conditioning program is make your subconcouse look forward to it,,because you enjoy it..
 no pain no gain is a young mans game..this i know because at 55 i had recaptured my confidence in my ability...using just this method...this involved not counting on reflexes but strait offense as much as you can pour on for as long as you can pour it on..thats a pretty good defence in itself..slim
 ive been a trainer all my life..now for the first time im gonna have an exstra ace as a hole card..
 with all this ,,it all depends on whether my father deems this a good thing..but i believe in working like it all depends on me,, an prayin like it all depends on him..
 

[blind ear]

well slim, after all your repentence has it come down to you regreted looseing the fight and that is what you were moarning? You are still looking for a way to dominate. I hope you find peace brother.

[slim rem 7]

no sir you totally misunderstand my post...repenting was repenting of really bad thought i was having concerning him... what im talking now is retaining some ability to protect myself from
 those who would have thier way with force being thier method of achieving that..
 i was never repenting of haveing taken up for the lady.. to you sir  this is what i have to say...
 all good men have to do is nothing..you know the rest.....
   to be humble is one thing ...to allow somebody to stomp you in the name of god...
 thats not something i believe in,,,unless its gods will an i know it...... i don t think our forefathers did either.. besides brother..
 you doing a bit of judging ,,that jobs already taken.. his will will be done..what you think..
 don t mean to offend you brother but you missunderstood my reaction to my suffering...
  i hated the details of the ideas of revenge that was in my heart..i was thinking of killing him. or having my nephews beat the snot out ofim..this i repented of an still do.. no man deserves to die because hes stupid an immature...excuse me i got to go to the mirrior an see if this is a speck in my eye or a stick o wood in yours..may god bless you brother..
      the idea here is to stop him without having to shoot him.. do you carry?
 don t answer that.. none of my buisiness is it..
 sir i was a boxer of some ability,,an i don t consider it unchristian..evander hollifield ...one of my most admired boxers was the most couraguos man i ever watched... boxing is the only thing i know of that can reveal this type courage..the man is a devout christian..
 

[Elijah Gunn]

slim, please check and make sure that carrying a blackjack is legal where you are. I know it's illegal here in Michigan where I am. If you are going for a hit to the collarbone with it, but miss and hit his head it could kill the attacker. Not that that would be a bad thing( IMO), but having done it with an illegal weapon...who knows how much more problems it'll bring you.

[Graybeard]

I believe the subject line says it all, old man you just have not and it looks like you are not gonna learn. For some reason you came up loving to fight and you've not yet figured out you're too damned old to keep on doing it and in this modern age fighting is really gonna get you nothing but arrested and fined or tossed in jail for some time plus a heavy civil penalty.

I don't disagree in the least with your stepping in when the man was bullying the lady. I do disagree with your walking out behind him knowing a fight was to ensue. Just plain not smart at your age and in these modern times. If someone else starts a fight you can't avoid then win anyway you can but if the fight is avoidable avoid it anyway you can.

With this one already on your record getting into another carrying what in many jurisdictions would be an illegal black jack is only gonna compound your problems. So as I said the subject line says it all old many you just ain't gonna learn. This old fart learned long ago I'm not up to fighting and am not gonna do it. If pushed to the point I can't back away I'll shoot if necessary but I'm much to frail these days for fisticuffs.

[gypsyman]

slim, there are a couple sayings about growing up, and growing old. From what I've read on your post, it sounds like you've grown old, you just never grew up.  gypsyman

[kitchawan kid]

Forget the blackjack,a cane or umbrella work very well and are legal.

[slim rem 7]

greybeard i know you speak with wisdom... but im a man that solves problems... right now my problem is very limited choices as to what to do if attacked by a  young mucle punk who says hand over the mon dude...all hes planning is sucker punching me into next week an taking it..
 as to it being illegal ... i ll break that law if it exist,,rather that than,, a charge of murder on an unarmed man, ,
by handgun....so you see its a matter of being ready for the worst an always expecting a pretty fair day... my grandaddies was a walking cane with nail in it...it didn t stop some mean boys from knocking him dn on halloween with sand bags ..this for fun... that halloween night was the quietest i ever saw...word got out that my dad was coming ... his brothers was on thier way..
 . it was gonna be a mess but nobody was at the old gathering water hole in town there,,
 except the constable... he was trying to get every body to go home... i got no idea how dad ever settled that if he did... they was all carrying handguns..
 by the way ive decided not to lie in court... my attourney tells me my best bet is give it my best shot an tell the judge what happened ,,word for word ,,just like i told it to him..
 hey theys worse thing than this ... for me his grace is sufficent,,just as it was for paul..
 paul learned a wonderful thing an that was to be fine no matter what,,as long as his father sent the comforter..paul always knew he was there.. so if its my turn ,,what a learning experience to trust him ,,an hold his path as best i can... slim..
 but each to his own in these matters ..everyman knows his own mind.. by the way fellas don t get the wrong idea ..im about as easy to get along with as anyone i know..
 
 

[powderman]

SLIM. I believe Bill said it best. The conflict was over and you should not have followed the guy anticipating a fight. The blackjack will get you jail time my friend.  POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

he will learn when he meets the right teacher !

[rex6666]

he will learn when he meets the right teacher !

When the student is ready the teacher will appear.

I have an old police blackjack in my desk draw that i found in a truck i bought.
I should throw this Blackjack in the creek, they are illegal in TX.
One thing a person has to remember is "am i fast enough to hit a man with
anything" my older brother always told me if you can't hit a man with your
fist, you can't hit him with anything else.

[myronman3]

  your post was painful to read at best, and i will go one step further and say it was pretty much gibberish.  i dont know what to make of any of it, what i take from it is you have some kind of issue with someone somewhere and got in trouble for it.   
   i know that if you go looking for trouble, you are going to find it. 

[slim rem 7]

i ll have to investigate that...black jacks illegal... thats close to as bad as guns being illegal...
 mabe they crossed the line a long time ago..ive one in my truck an one in my wives car thats
been laying in the floor boards for close to 6 years now..but they were made for me 6 years ago... after the first shoulder surgery...2 ft rebar with duct tape on each end... never even come close to useing it...but made because i thought some people i knew might take the opportunity to try an take me dn as they viewed me as having taken them dn in the past.. but they were bullies an once you stop a bully hes just got a mental block about you,,although he may bushwhack you...
 so tell me you guys plans for dealing with being strong armed,,as you get older an look more an more like prey to the human predators out there who know they don t need a gun...
roll over an belly up if you run into the type my new tool was made for... this is not made for the fella which who i had the altercation with...its for the stout young punk who preys on the weak...shoot all ,,your assumption is from a man whos conditioned to end an attack with a gun ,,at least i think you carry for that purpose... its been stated by attourneys here that if you kill a man with your carry gun,,get ready to spend a long time defending that action...they more or less said its a nightmare... this tool gives me an opportunity to avoid that, i hope...by the way shoot all ... i met   that fella you said id meet a long time ago..nothin all that terrible about taking a butt whuppin..if you refuse to live life inhibited from being your true self...you can just plan on that happening...theys a match for any man..
  in walmart i was guilty of not thinking an doing what would bring about the best end result... this because walmart ,, court ,,offices etc are not my enviroment...i ll hang closer to the ole boy hang outs... i ll guarantee you this ...if a fella robbed one of those country  stores with the wood stove an half dozen old timers hangin around...his chances of getting outa that one,, are slim an slimmer...
   a lady who was the wife of a fella,, who ran one of these got shot an killed not far from here...the police never found out who bg was... good desciption an everything but he just disappeared..he shot her dead because she got a look of recognition on her face...  according to her daughter in law...he had a series of robberies to his credit but he never robbed nobody else.....now those folk won t even discuss it nor allow it to be discussed,,in the store...thats all i ll say about that...but the fellas long gone ..
 i admire greybeard plus heck hes the  boss,,,also eddie,, for saying what they really think...this even though mine an greybeards life have obviously been quite different,,,but thats good ...to each his own
 but its animal nature to follow when another of any kind is being singled out as target of the pack,flock or whatever..
 those that come afterwards i don t admire so much...thats following the natural mans path..
we do have our animal side... its what a christians has to overcome..
 things just don t always go the way we want them to go...
 in any case ive developed an option to use at a time i deem wise ... i wanted to share the idea....slim..
 ps powderman i appreciate you trying any way...anybody that looks like that,, an calls anothers post gibberish is in a class by himself..i believe you smile is sagging an you eyes are not those of a person being a clown for kids...you look way to young to have a clue as to what you gotta go through as you get older...so we have got in a dig at each other ...lets just move along,,,an each doit our own way.... slim

[blind ear]

Slim, I think you were grieving loseing the fight and disguiseing it with all sorts of "reasons". I think you like to fight.

With your beliefs you need a justification for it to be "the right thing to do" but when you lose you carry a grudge and look for justification for payback. You like to fight and hate to lose.

You need justification for fighting and never giving up or loseing, all the things came through your training in boxing, civil law, church etc and you manipulate them to fit your needs and justify and feel good about what you like to do. You remain alert for the opportunity to be a savior/hero because it makes you feel good, but you have to have a reason to fight to justify it in your own mind.

 Like I said before, I hope you find peace Brother Man.

Mr Greybeard, you are right.

eddiegjr

[slim rem 7]

well said eddie... if thats the worst thing was ever going to be said about me...id be fine with that..you were more or less saying i was a human being i believe...an unlike yogi not perfect in every way.but enuff on this thread... im taking a awful whuppin here..ummm 

[blind ear]

In short what I said was the only reason you were greiving was because you lost the fight.

[slim rem 7]

an in short i said you dead wrong ok..my post are sometimes long ...you don t know what you talkin about..now your opinion is different than mine so...so since im the object of this ...my opinion wins out... enuff said judge if you don t want to use the dang club i was talkin about ...
don t,, please don t...you starting to sound like some of the religouse folk i washed my hands of because there foundations were built in sand..nuff said though right...im going on to something else...... less just not fight eddie...whos gonna benefit from that...
 ps hoss one o my proudest moments was taking all a nashville bouncer could dish out...i didn grieve about that cause the ladies  finally took note of this skinny waiter at linebaughs who didn t let the bouncer bully him...the restuarant was the all night place where everbody came after they left tootsies an printers ally.. ,,right dn from the opra house...

[Graybeard]

Slim the truth is ALWAYS the best policy. It's hard to remember which lie ya told last time to repeat it when you start down that path. I think you're still deep down inside looking for a fight. I don't know about where you live but wehre I live I've not seen that bunch of young big strong good fighting dudes looking for some old fart to punch out.

I'd recommend the strongest pepper spray you can find for such situations over a black jack. A good cane is a fine weapon to have in such cases always legal and far better than a black jack in a fight. That nail in it tho is just dumb and is gonna get you jail time. One with a big metal knob on top is legal and even more deadly.

How will I handle it if it comes my way? I'll back off if they let me and if they don't then that's why I have a concealed carry permit and firearm with me. I'm old, weak, arthritic and not able to fight. If I fear for my safety my state allows me the right to defend myself with my concealed firearm.

[ms]

Slim you make me laugh . I think you were watching cage fighting and thought you could take this guy. Now avoid fighting enjoy life. 

[slim rem 7]

ms i long ago realised what you thought ,,wasn t very important to me either..you a dreamer way to influenced by cage fighting if it affects you that much..we just too different ,,age ,,oreentation
heck the whole 9 yrds ...we just don t identify on anything...
   now you jump in with the crowd ,,which is one of the things i really hold in contempt... but im not gonna dislike you just because you so different than i..
  now to something that matters..greybeard my best understanding is,, if the fella is even in you bedroom ,,you can t use deadly force unless his gun is clearly visible...
 i ask my instructor ,,how am i suppose to see a gun in pitch dark in my bedroom..
 he just shook his head an dropped his eyes...nothing would tickle me more than finding out ,,that
  ..if i considered my self or family in grave danger,,i could use my shot gun at home or my pistol against these members of gangs that have reared thier head of late around here.....
 if somebody from here could tell me a reliable source of info that said i had the right,, you have,,,there in alabama... it would truely make my day... but my understanding is that we don t have that legal ground to stand on...so a fellas gotta make do...nobody here ,,where i live can honestly say they don t know me as anything but a friendly old man... with exception of a ex son in law who roughed up my daughter one nite...i had tried to like him an ask him to be the father my grandaughter needed...he never even grasp the concept.. . so one night i went over there... my daughter would never let me do it before...i went an said goodnight to my grandbabies an when i come back out ,,he had flew the coop...i was glad cause i had already shrunk ...
 looked like i was the only one in the family that was gonna do anything...ifound out later my sons were both planning a visit the next night...i was proud ofum.. in view of these things that ive been taught are facts...i have to make do with what ever i can make work...
 i really do appreciate the advice though greybeard...
ps i got a brand new pepper foam to try ,,,been carrying this stuff a very long time..thats always been my first option,,against unarmed of course..things is changin here now.. we have 3-4 different groups that have formed gangs..if they can intimidate the people ...the police can t do anything..so it just comes dn to what price the people are willing to pay for freedom...
 

[ms]

Why not get a sword cane from coldsteel.

[Graybeard]

now to something that matters..greybeard my best understanding is,, if the fella is even in you bedroom ,,you can t use deadly force unless his gun is clearly visible...

I can't recall what state you live in Slim and sure don't know the law there. Many states have passed what they now called "castle doctrine" laws which basically say a man's home is his castle and he has the right to defend it more or less as he sees fit.

Many states like Alabama take that one step further to say that anywhere you have a legal right to be you can stand your ground and have no obligation to retreat or try to get away from an agressor. Here if they are in your home they just really shouldn't have done that. Same basically applies on the street if attacked I don't have to run, can't anyway, or try to get away. If I fear for the safety of myself, my family or even a total stranger I think I can use deadly force to prevent such. I'd not want to and would try to avoid it but I can't run and can't fight so it wouldn't be real wise to push me very far. Everyone has that right given by GOD but some states sure try to take it from you.

[slim rem 7]

its n.c. ... the laws you speak of are what i thought was the case here...
 at the time i got my ccw ,,i was advised that was not the case..
 castle doctrine is not too important to me as im shooting him law or no law if hes in my house... so thats not a factor as to what i plan on doing... but this idea that you can use deadly force
 on a person not armed but that you consider a threat to your life... i believe you said that didn t you...id love to find out we had that here...if we do ,,im not aware of it ,,an need to be...
 ms why don t you get a sugar cane... ah forget it ...uncalled for...

[jimster]

Gotta let the water run the rest of the way off your back Slim.  I know what happened doesn't feel good to you at all in more ways than one, but you have to let it go.  You ain't even got through your court case yet and your already thinking about different homemade weapons besides your gun.
Get through your court case, however it turns out, end it, forget it, learn from it.  If you get pushed into a fight with no way out, that's different, but you don't need to look for trouble or be places where it might happen.  Just my thoughts and my opinion, each person makes their own bed, but it sounds like it's eating at you, and you need to let it all go and not let it eat you up.  You kill this guy with a homemade blackjack by accident, your in deep, you already been in front of a judge on this deal.  Or, he makes you eat it...either way...your too old for this nonsense.  Gun laws vary in each State, in this one the other guy does not have to be armed if you think your in great danger, but no matter, if you kill this guy, you have a history with him, not good at all for you even if the laws are in your favor.   Let it go.  Good luck in court.  

Jim

[slim rem 7]

 i appreciate the advice jimster...i can t figure where everybody gets the idea im after this guy..
 this man in my opinion while a bully has the abilities to whip anybody i know of in albemarle... hes tuned up an on his game..
 i just reread my original post ...i said nobody i know in this county could whip him..
 i even said this tool,, ive made will work pretty good ,,just don t try it on him..
 so where yall get the idea this has anything to do with him..
 what it is ...is my effort to have something for the punk gangs that you rural folk will see soon enough...its not that they are so tough ,,altho some are...its that theres nothing they won t do... so dealin withim you have to be the same way...id rather not have nothin to do withum...
 the fella i fought doesn t warrant this tool.. he invited me outside an i went..a totally different
situation than ive depicted this tool being for...when you get invited out side ,,whether to talk or scrap ...thats not when im gonna use a weapon...if i gotta do that i just ain t going ...
  the lesson i learned is i ain t going in that situation ever again... thats in my past...
to old for competition..just fact,,ive accepted that..
but the young street fighter,, mugger ain t gonna get my wallet either...an until i find out im wrong about n.c. laws im not gonna shoot him either ,,if i can help it..
 this post got distorted by incorrect assumptions ,,in a bad way..you right greybeard we all need to stay with the truth as best we can remember it...real important thing
 

[torpedoman]

I found the thing to get me out of most tight spots in any place it is called the door.

[powderman]

SLIM. I believe you have me confused with Myronman. I'm 61 with anenlarged hear. I'm not gonna do fisticuffs if at all possible, that's what concealed carry is for, I don't have to. If confronted I will, and have,there  is no out, he dies, simple as that. Reread my other post, nothing there jabbing at ya. POWDERMAN. 

[Graybeard]

anenlarged hear.

What the heck is that Charlie?

Slim I for one didn't assume you mean it to be used on this guy who you're now in court over. I do feel you and I grew up far different. You I assume from what I've read of you grew up looking for a fight and loving to do just that to see if you could best others. For you I gather it was a sport you enjoyed. But me thinks now you're too old and best put that behind you.

I on the other hand grew up in a tough neighborhood and you didn't necessarily have to go looking for trouble it was pretty easy for it to come find you. I never looked for a fight and never started them but didn't back down when it was necessary either. I was a weight lifter, long distance runner and about as tough as nails in my youth. I did enjoy wrestling and did a lot of that and don't recall ever being beaten at it even by guys far bigger than me. But slinging fists was never something I looked forward to and avoided when possible. I kinda had a reputation in my neighborhood as one fellow it was best to not mess with too much cuz that crazy kid just might lay you out fer good. I knew a bit of karate in those days, knew how to use a stick quite well, wasn't afraid of a knife fight and did own guns and all knew it. Most of the really tough guys steered clear of me and those who didn't seldom tried a second time. Those days are long since over. My old arthritic body and shortness of breath issues plus my bum shoulders will not allow me to fight or run so I'm kinda back to how it was once before. I'm really not one to mess with again cuz I'm most always armed and while I'd hate like the dickens to shoot someone I'd hate even more for them to shoot me or beat my tired old body up. I'll do what I hafta when I hafta but running and fighting are not on the agenda for me.

[Skunk]

In my best Cowardly Lion (from the Wizard of OZ) voice:

Come on Slim...Put em up...Put em uuuup! Hippopotamus??? Why I'll tear ya from head to bottomless...

[slim rem 7]

well grey you right i don t look at a scrap as the end of the world...
   except for one time when my ego got the best of me an i made folk just tense around me...this in a steel mill many yrs ago...
 i was not a man folks worried about... i had a button that as i got older ,i was able to keep
outa reach of the average guy... any supervisor,, i would tell about that tendancy...
 as a security guard i even came to realize i may have missed my callin,,as im able to
talk drunks an such dn from thier anger...  at least some where i worked told me i was
the one in that developement... they thought could handle friday an sat nite with as little trouble as possible..
 now thats about all im gonna say...i don t like ,,but understand bullies... i love people
an was just ole bro marks for years  at church...so sounds like folks feared you more than myself..
  i live life my way an love life ,my way...may you be able to always enjoy that same right...
 you a good man i believe,, an i ll wish you all the best .. :)slim
  ps i believe mabe you are living in a place with more rights as to protecting yourself...no ones enlightened me of changes in n.c. law ,,regarding use of lethal defence...i didn t say i liked this or agreed with it ...as far as i know its just way more restrictive here... stupid,, all most,, in my opinion...
 but nevertheless,,, an da can use it to put you away...powderman an others excuse if ive missread you statements in this post ,,originally about a tool i made... a tool made for people that live under different laws than some here...apparently..