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35 Whelen
« on: August 24, 2009, 06:57:09 AM »
What gives? There are two gun shops in Mississippi stating that they have new Whelens in stock. One claims to have 72 rifles they got from a special run from H&R. This just lights my fire after communicating with customer service so much in the past few months and being told not this year.
I believe for a company to stay in business it must be truthful and loyal to it's customers.
Sorry to rant Jim
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 08:45:25 AM »
Who says they have them?  I want to check one out.

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 10:00:15 AM »
They weren't lying the way I see it, as a special run is just that, a special run to dealers who will buy 72 or more at one time.

Now they won't go on sale to individual customers from the factory this year, is the way I've heard it.
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2009, 10:10:10 AM »
Who says they have them?  I want to check one out.

I agree, if "they" have that many, please post up a phone number or site... there are a lot of Whelen Handi fans that would love nab one ASAP..




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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2009, 10:31:15 AM »
Hunters Haven, Tupelo, MS 662 841 0442

Vans Guns, Jackson, MS area, clinton, madison, raymond, pearl ?

The dealer that gave me this info said no more would be made. period   All that were made were made in 10 gun lots for pressure testing. Must be an ejection problem or something else. This dealer orders special runs at times.
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2009, 10:42:31 AM »
come on 338 MARLIN EXPRESS !  (crossing fingers)
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2009, 11:21:33 AM »
Van's and Hunters Haven are the two I saw. Not to cry over spilt milk but my point was I have called very often since the testing was announced and was told that NO DEALER'S are ANYONE would get any this year. I have one already but wanted to get one for my wife. Somebody's pants on fire.
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2009, 12:40:49 PM »
So, if you want one call one of the two dealers & buy the rifle - what's the problem?

I'm sure the reason the dealers made a special order is that MDWFP ruled last year that you could use 35 caliber during primitive weapons season here in MS.

If you want one, though you'd probably better not wait on buying it as I'm sure a lot of Mississippi hunters would rather use the 35 Whelen instead of the harder recoiling 45-70 which was the other really available caliber.

I went another way, since I had 358 Winchester cases & dies and did not really want to deal with the recoil from a 35 Whelen in a rifle as light as the Handi, I had a 308 Handi rebored to 358 Winchester.  Just got it back and hope to shoot it in the next couple of weeks as I start working up loads.  By far, the majority of my shots are under 100 yards, so just don't see needing the 35 Whelen.  Could probably do as well for most of my hunting with a 35 Remington...

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2009, 02:05:10 PM »
Just heard from a good source, that next year, here in Mississippi, you will be able to shoot any type rifle during the so called primitive weapon season. This is to include bolt, auto, ss and etc. There's going to be an archery season and a deer season. I don't have any positive info on this. I heard that this law was to go into effect for the up coming season, but it didn't get the ok in time. Notice that I said "I HEARD". There is absolutely nothing in concrete that I know of. Just thought I would go ahead and spread the rumor some more. I'm still waiting on my 35 whelen bbl from Remington. It makes no difference to me what they allow me to shoot. I'm gonna shoot that lovely 4570 lady friend of mine. ;D Well maybe the 35 if I ever get one.
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2009, 03:21:10 PM »
I spoke with Van's this morning. The following was what I was told by them.

1. They received 100 rifles yesterday morning and they are predicting to be sold out by Tuesday or Wednesday morning.
2. The price is $279.99.
3. They are 22" barrels w/scope mount, black synthetic stocks and hammer extension.
4. This was not a special order. (Again, I asked that question specifically and that was what I was told.)

Van's is in Brandon Mississippi. (601) 825-9087. I shop at Van's from time to time as I drive thru that area on the way to our camp. That area has a very large sporting goods customer base as witnessed by a large number of independent sporting goods businesses, deer processing plants, Bass Pro Etc. Even the Rankin county farmer's Co-Op carriers alot of specialty deer items that cannot be found elsewhere. Van's also processes deer and has a very good reputation especially for customer service, and as seen with the 35 Whelen, for having stock when others don't. Hunter's Haven in Tupelo has the same reputation.

After calling Van's I went to several of my regular shops in the New Orleans area. Just like Van's these are also independent, high volume specialty shops. My thought process was that if Van's had some rifles. Then certianly these guys must have them as well. At this point I want to make sure I am clear for reasons that will become obvious. These are stores where I am a regular customer. One I have been a customer for over 20 years. I know the managers and owners at both and speak with them almost weekly. Today when I went in asked about the Whelen rifles I did not get my typical reception. From the conversations I had with them it is my understanding that each shop has had hundreds of rifles on order for many months. Up until a month ago they had been told that the rifles had not even been tested or approved yet. Then they where told there was no way that any rifles would ship before December or January and then if any did it would only be in very small limited numbers. Then this week rifles deliver to only 2 stores in Mississippi. I don't know where the disconnect happened but I believe Remington has some serious damage control to do. These guys are not happy and that is an absolute understatment.

P.S. They confirmed the Hornady 35 Whelen ammo. Light Magnums.

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2009, 03:44:02 PM »
H&R finished testing and approval of this run of Whelens on July 17th, see the 35 Whelen Accessory Barrel poll.  ;)

The initial run was 200 rifles, if they sell well, they'll make more, they'll likely have longer barrels;D

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2009, 06:50:05 PM »
H&R finished testing and approval of this run of Whelens on July 17th, see the 35 Whelen Accessory Barrel poll.  ;)

The initial run was 200 rifles, if they sell well, they'll make more, they'll likely have longer barrels;D

Tim

Tim, I know that is what happened. The problem is that the chain of communication from R&D and factory production, to the sales rep. and customer service force thru to the dealer network failed completely. Worst than no information at all it appears that the dealer network received information completely contradictory to reality. I haved worked both sides of the sales aisle for over 25 years and as a sales rep. the most valuable information you can provide to your dealer network is accurate timely information on what is happening in the distribution chain. That information in the hands of a quality store owner is golden and directly translates into consistent sustainable sales and brand loyalty. It is a win - win for both parties. If you can't do that....well then you are of very little value to your dealer network or the manufacturer. Little to no vlaue = little to no brand loyalty, no orders and a reduction in market share. I'm not picking on the sales rep. and customer service force but obviously somewhere along the line the system failed.

The most valuable piece of information that a manufacturer can receive is timely notice that there is a problem with the downstream distribution chain. If you don't know about it, you can't take steps to fix it and that is exactly what I am trying to communicate here. I own alot of firearms only 3 are not from the Remington family. I believe in and care about the brand and sincerely hope that someone from Remington picks up on the fact that they have a problem with the flow of accurate information in their distribution chain. I know what information was posted here on these forums but I think everyone would agree that Remington's dealer network should not have to tune into Graybeard Outdoors to get that information.

If someone would have kept these dealers informed in a timely manner and just told them that 172 of the first 200 was going into the Mississippi's primative weapons market as a soft roll out and market viability test then I don't think they would have been an issue. I can only assume that the other 28 rifles went to other manufacturers, VIPs, Remington staff etc. That seems about right on a new roll out. No problem there.

As far as them selling I hope they have sold them all already. Lets get on with production. My opinion. A meat and potatoes SB2 22" with the pallet wood monte carlo stock. That fits the budget minded, shorter barrel and brush hunter market. Then a 26" stainless BBL with the thumbhole green stock.
Just heard from a good source, that next year, here in Mississippi, you will be able to shoot any type rifle during the so called primitive weapon season. This is to include bolt, auto, ss and etc. There's going to be an archery season and a deer season. I don't have any positive info on this. I heard that this law was to go into effect for the up coming season, but it didn't get the ok in time. Notice that I said "I HEARD". There is absolutely nothing in concrete that I know of. Just thought I would go ahead and spread the rumor some more. I'm still waiting on my 35 whelen bbl from Remington. It makes no difference to me what they allow me to shoot. I'm gonna shoot that lovely 4570 lady friend of mine. ;D Well maybe the 35 if I ever get one.
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2009, 02:13:14 AM »
I'm pretty sure the Whelens came here first over shops in New Orleans because it is legal here for primitive weapons but not in Louisiana.  I'm sure Bobby Cleveland's article last year on the T/C Encore in 35 Whelen generated a lot more Mississippi interest in the caliber as well.  (The 45-70 recoil scares some hunters) 

I also seriously doubt the Mississippi legislature will expand the selection of weapons to be used in next year's primitive weapons.  The primitive weapons season causes many hunters to buy a second deer rifle that they might not otherwise purchase.  Bullets, reloading supplies, scopes, etc. as well.  This results in more badly needed tax dollars for MDWFP.  It may happen one day, but it is doubtful in this economy.

I'm going to try to get over to Van's today to check out the rifles.  BTW are there any big gun shops near the West End area of New Orleans?

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2009, 09:58:19 AM »
Just got off the phone with Van's in Brandon, Miss.  Yes they do have .35 Whelen's...about 45 left as of right now.  As posted earlier, $279 and primitive weapons legal in Mississippi.

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2009, 10:23:43 AM »
Well I got up at 5:30 this morning and made a 370 mile roundtrip to Van's in Brandon Ms. You talk about a candy store! I found powder I couldn't get locally, two boxes of Hornady 200gr. and had to pull my wife out the door. Oh by the way I got my 35 Whelen too.
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2009, 10:33:31 AM »
Tenring     I am jealous. No I'm not, I'm crying :'( :'( :'( If I didn't have my frame at Remington, I would drive down there and buy one also. Glad you were able to get it. WOE is me. :'( :'(
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2009, 01:14:49 PM »
Well I got up at 5:30 this morning and made a 370 mile roundtrip to Van's in Brandon Ms. You talk about a candy store! I found powder I couldn't get locally, two boxes of Hornady 200gr. and had to pull my wife out the door. Oh by the way I got my 35 Whelen too.
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Congrats Jim, way to go!! ;D

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2009, 03:15:06 PM »
Bit the bullet, glad it was really soft, and got my Whelen today.  If anybody is paying attention at Remington these have flown off the rack at Van's in Jackson and Hunters Haven in Tupelo.  Very few Whelens still available this afternoon about 5:PM.   

Now got to find dies, bullets (never reloaded the .35 rifle), scope, etc.  Never ending is an under statement.
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2009, 03:29:20 PM »
That's good news, they're waiting to see how those 200 rifles sell before they produce any more.  :)

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2009, 05:54:32 PM »
I am happy hear them flying off the shelves!
Let it be known... We Want the 35 Whelen!!!.................................and peferably in a longer length ;D Thank You.

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2009, 06:26:58 AM »
Well one thing I have to say.  "That's Great"  Not only are you guys buying a good Deer rifle, but for those of you that might get the chance to come to Alaska, you now have a good Alaska rifle.  The .35 Whelen is called the old man's magnum.  It does the same job as the big magnums, but without the recoil.  I see a lot of non-resident hunters using the .35 Whelen up here.
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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2009, 07:02:05 AM »
I just purchased one yesterday from Van's in Brandon Ms. They claimed to have purchased all of the 35 Whelens made this year. They had only 7 left  when I got mine. I talked to a dealer in Gulfport Ms who said that H&R said it would not be made this year. Guess it was availible only to certain dealers. Van's said they were selling like hotcakes.

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2009, 10:22:21 AM »
That's good news, they're waiting to see how those 200 rifles sell before they produce any more. 

I thought they were waiting to see how many people complain that Remington ammo misfires in it during deer season.

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2009, 11:26:25 AM »
There were no misfires in the 130 test rifles they made prior to the production run of 200 rifles, more will be made now that they know how well they sell, see the 35 Whelen Polls.  ;)

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It started out just as an accessory barrel request, but it likely will be a complete rifle at first if all works out, the Mississippi (and possibly the Louisiann if they change their regs) primitive weapons season market is a strong driving force in the available chamberings that H&R would produce, enough that they'll make 130 firearms just for testing, testing is ongoing right now, hopefully they'll finish in time to market them for this year's season.  ;D

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H&R finished testing and approval of this run of Whelens on July 17th, see the 35 Whelen Accessory Barrel poll.  ;)

The initial run was 200 rifles, if they sell well, they'll make more, they'll likely have longer barrels;D

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2009, 12:44:30 PM »
There were no misfires in the 130 test rifles they made prior to the production run of 200 rifles, more will be made now that they know how well they sell, see the 35 Whelen Polls.  ;)

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2009, 05:02:02 PM »
I also purchased 1 of the 35 Whelens, and some Hornady 200 grain SP Light Magnum ammo. I have not mounted a scope or shot it yet; however I Noticed that unlike my 45-70s and 444s that the cartridge does not just slide into chamber, I actually have to push it into the chamber and likewise a little effort is required  to removing it. It seems that the wall of the cartridge is rubbing on the extractor.

Do any of the other calibers do this? as I am only familiar with the 444  extractor and it does not do this.

Also the new rifles receivers are a CBA prefix serial # and Manufactured in Ilion, NY  (Remingtons headquarters)


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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2009, 07:21:16 PM »
That's typical of extractors, try removing a belted mag case from an Encore if you think that's bad and you'll appreciate how easy the H&R actually is! You can touch the extractor with a dremel stone if you want to lighten contact a little, or flatten the leaf spring a little.

The CBA serial number prefix isn't very new, they started May of last year, Ilion has been in production almost a year now.

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2009, 03:17:51 AM »
Glad to hear that this is not uncommon.

I only have my 444 extractor to compare to and it (cartridge) just drops in effortlessly, and will fall out if you lean it downwards.

Will it probably be even harder to remove with a fired cartridge?

Any opinions on the Hornady 200 grain Light Magnum ammo?

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Re: 35 Whelen
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2009, 05:01:50 AM »
Can't help ya with the ammo, I handload, and they're so new Hornady doesn't even list them yet! The 45 Colt is the only one I have that's been hard to remove, a dremel fixed that issue real quick.  ;)

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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2009, 03:16:57 PM »
I got a 35 Whelen from Hunter's Haven in Tupelo this afternoon. I traded in an extra 45-70 that I had bought last month. They just recently started taking trades for guns. I believe they got 92 in and they have 30 or 35 left. Price is $299.95.

Quick, do you have any loads for the Whelen? I have some 225 TSX and 225 Accubonds ordered. Some of the hunters around here that shoot the Encore are trying Double-Tap ammo in 200 TSX and 225 Accubond. They say the Accubonds shoot much better than the 200 TSX. That is the reason I wanted to try the 225 TSX. I read that Reloader 15 is supposed to do real well in the Whelen.

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