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Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« on: August 24, 2009, 06:11:27 AM »
To heck with Boy Scouts.

Why?

Because the shooting club, at which I am a member, has opened the range to every batch of sniveling kids that will come and shoot. Fabulous. I pay the dues. But I can't get access to the range on weekends during the summer.

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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2009, 07:18:21 AM »
Well help learn um to shoot !
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« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 07:23:56 AM »
I don't care whether they can shoot. I care about whether I can shoot. We adults are way too preoccupied with helping kids. We need to be selfish about a few things.  The range is my escape from family responsibility, not an invitation to have other people dump their curtain climbering rug rats on me.
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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2009, 07:31:46 AM »
fantastic
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2009, 07:45:48 AM »
Why don't you move your membership to another club? It's like going to a restaurant that allows smoking. Don't like it? Don't go.
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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2009, 08:06:04 AM »
really
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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2009, 08:08:52 AM »
fantastic
+1

Who cares about the future, or helping those who may not have the opportunities you do?  It's really all about you, isn't it? 

And we wonder why fewer people take up hunting and outdoor sports each year...

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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2009, 08:15:17 AM »
In a world where way too many people don't want anybody to shoot, much less even own a gun, I am ecstatic when I see young folks getting introduced into the shooting sports in a responsible manner.  Next Monday night I am meeting with the local Boy Scout troop at our church to try and set up a program at one of the clubs I belong to.  We tried with the Future Farmers of America with meager success.
Why do you call the kids "sniveling"?  I'm sure it was not their choice or decision to displace you, more likely the folks that run your shooting club.  The "sniveling kids" take over the whole weekend?
I belong to three clubs, and each one does a lot to support getting young people (in fact, all people) into the shooting sports.  
Two of the clubs I belong to are simply non-profit corporations where 100% of the work is done at no pay by 10% (or less) of the members.  They are the ones who care enough about the club and the future of shooting, hunting, and gun ownership to do all of the work.
Generally the sniveling comes entirely from the non-working members.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2009, 08:25:39 AM »
Exactly the response I expected. I volunteer plenty, and all I ask in return for my time and money is a place to shoot one day during a summer weekend. Somebody suggested that I go to another club. That is exactly what I am in the process of doing.

All those hours of cleaning up the range. All those days of fixing stuff. All the stewardship. I expect something in return.

My point is, what's the good in cultivating future shooters at the expense of alienating present shooters?

Once in a while is OK, but it's gotten to be practically every stinking weekend.

I don't think I am alone in this sentiment. I run into the former regulars at gun shops and in the field, and at other ranges We're all saying the same things: I used to shoot there, but now I shoot someplace else.

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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2009, 08:27:05 AM »
Quester
shame-shame on you don't you understand it is your place to teach these kids
to shoot while their mothers shop, and their dads won't get off the couch and
even come watch you teach their kids. shame on you for buying guns to start with
and then want to shoot them too what is wrong with you. Maybe some of the
guys here that enjoy teaching will start a teaching program in their area and
guess what they won't invite you, or me.
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2009, 08:39:32 AM »
Exactly the response I expected. I volunteer plenty, and all I ask in return for my time and money is a place to shoot one day during a summer weekend. Somebody suggested that I go to another club. That is exactly what I am in the process of doing.
All those hours of cleaning up the range. All those days of fixing stuff. All the stewardship. I expect something in return.
My point is, what's the good in cultivating future shooters at the expense of alienating present shooters?
Once in a while is OK, but it's gotten to be practically every stinking weekend.
I don't think I am alone in this sentiment. I run into the former regulars at gun shops and in the field, and at other ranges We're all saying the same things: I used to shoot there, but now I shoot someplace else.

Happy for you.  You have other choices and you can share them with like-minded people.   ;)
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2009, 08:41:59 AM »
Wow, really?!? Well I guess as long as you're taken care of that's what matters. Make sure you have all your guns buried with you as well.

Exactly how much have you really put into your range? And you don't have any influence on that at all? Like maybe did you talk to the staff about having different hours for the kiddie programs? Can't imagine they'd like more than 2 hours of shooting, and that leaves a lot of time in the day.

That's like when the guy who typically puts $5 a week in the plate at church gets all upset when the preacher starts reaching out to them young families in the neighborhood, and now we got all them little kids running around hearing about Jesus, and I can't just sit quitely in my padded pew and snooze while the preacher reads from the Bible about loving your neighbor as yourself.

... but you like the role of social outcast, so we're just feeding your ego.
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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2009, 08:44:19 AM »
 you said you were enhancing your position as a pariah,,or what ever that word was you used...
 so you got what you was expecting from the posters didn t you..

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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2009, 08:48:24 AM »
is your club run by someone or do you have a vote ? if you have a vote and so many think like you why is there a problem ? maybe ya'll should start a new club , maybe call it the sour-pus shooters assy , home of the me frist shooters !
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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2009, 08:51:17 AM »
Quester
shame-shame on you don't you understand it is your place to teach these kids
to shoot while their mothers shop, and their dads won't get off the couch and
even come watch you teach their kids. shame on you for buying guns to start with
and then want to shoot them too what is wrong with you. Maybe some of the
guys here that enjoy teaching will start a teaching program in their area and
guess what they won't invite you, or me.

You are invited to my clubs anytime Rex.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2009, 09:50:31 AM »
Rex6666:

Surprisingly, that is the way it actually works out. I can't recall any events designed for parents and kids to shoot together. The parents often see it as an imposition on their time. The ones I like best are the 4H events. Very nice.

The only reason I got into shooting was so my kids would have a realistic view of hunting and shooting. They do. Both enjoy the outdoors in their own ways. My son likes it. My daughter doesn't. But I think that from positive exposure by a parent she will probably always tolerate hunting and shooting as a decent activity.

Realistically, I believe the club is in a state of transition and has gotten a bit out of kilter. Most of the members are trap shooters, and that is the focus of the club. I find it interesting that a shotgun club does practically nothing to help youth discover the shotgun sports.

What we need is:
1) An acknowledgement that there's a problem
2) An accurate schedule of events that can be referenced via the club web site and by a printed calendar at the range house
3) A policy that ensures members will have adequate time on weekends to shoot

That'll take care of the problem.

Other posters:
Hey! thanks for calling me names and demonizing me. Your posts are a textbook example of something that I see time and again when somebody explains their position on a subject that people have already made up their minds on. Nevermind that I volunteer and said I volunteered. Nevermind that you don't know the particulars of the situation and make up just enough "facts" to make an accusation. 

Have you ever considered that the backbone of the shooting sports is adults? When adults get into shooting, their families follow. I'd much rather see a bunch of IPSC or Cowboy Action shooters there for a day than a bunch of kids who are there just because they have to be. The kids are typically there to shoot a few rounds of .22 and then you never see them again. Somehow this is taken to be a positive thing. What really makes a difference is a few hundred adults in an area who are passionate about their shooting, support gun shops, hunt, and get their friends and families involved.

All this activity with boy scouts and other youth groups smacks of feel-goodism that denies the fundamental reality that the parents don't give two craps in hell about shooting but they pretend that a day at the range is going to make some kind of positive difference.

What we need is to make things attractive to adults. The more adults who get into shooting, the better. Ask anybody who owns a gun shop whether they like having conceal and carry permit holders in their community. The answer will probably be yes, because they're not just buying guns. Some of them are taking up shooting as a hobby.

At my other club, it's getting hard to gain access to the pistol range because  so many carry holders are shooting just for fun these days. The man who opens his indoor range on winter weekends for bullseye matches has had to scale back on the bullseye because the range is so busy that he had to decide which of his customers to keep happy. I'm glad he scaled back the bullseye. He's getting people in there shooting.

And the kinds of people he gets in there are the ones that have money, pay bills, and can afford shooting as a hobby. They also bring their wives and kids along.

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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2009, 10:06:50 AM »
It is very hard to get a kid into shooting if his parents aren't.
If the parents will go and take the kids and just set and watch it is
different, other wise some one of US has to go pick the kids up and take them
(raise your hands) the kids want someone preferably a parent to recognize the fact they hit the target. My dad bought me 22 shells and let me carry his marlin 39a
all over S.W. Oklahoma when i was about 10years old., but it was a brother-in-law that drug me around with him until i could hit a running Jackrabbit with it.
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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2009, 10:07:12 AM »
Rex6666:

Surprisingly, that is the way it actually works out. I can't recall any events designed for parents and kids to shoot together. The parents often see it as an imposition on their time. The ones I like best are the 4H events. Very nice.

The only reason I got into shooting was so my kids would have a realistic view of hunting and shooting. They do. Both enjoy the outdoors in their own ways. My son likes it. My daughter doesn't. But I think that from positive exposure by a parent she will probably always tolerate hunting and shooting as a decent activity.

Realistically, I believe the club is in a state of transition and has gotten a bit out of kilter. Most of the members are trap shooters, and that is the focus of the club. I find it interesting that a shotgun club does practically nothing to help youth discover the shotgun sports.

What we need is:
1) An acknowledgement that there's a problem
2) An accurate schedule of events that can be referenced via the club web site and by a printed calendar at the range house
3) A policy that ensures members will have adequate time on weekends to shoot

That'll take care of the problem.

Other posters:
Hey! thanks for calling me names and demonizing me.

You mean names like "snivelling kids"?   :o ;D ;)

Your posts are a textbook example of something that I see time and again when somebody explains their position on a subject that people have already made up their minds on. Nevermind that I volunteer and said I volunteered. Nevermind that you don't know the particulars of the situation and make up just enough "facts" to make an accusation. 

Have you ever considered that the backbone of the shooting sports is adults? When adults get into shooting, their families follow. I'd much rather see a bunch of IPSC or Cowboy Action shooters there for a day than a bunch of kids who are there just because they have to be. The kids are typically there to shoot a few rounds of .22 and then you never see them again. Somehow this is taken to be a positive thing. What really makes a difference is a few hundred adults in an area who are passionate about their shooting, support gun shops, hunt, and get their friends and families involved.

Were these "backbone adults" ever " SNIVELLING KIDS"? EEK! I'll bet they were. :o

All this activity with boy scouts and other youth groups smacks of feel-goodism that denies the fundamental reality that the parents don't give two craps in hell about shooting but they pretend that a day at the range is going to make some kind of positive difference.

I remember going to Scout Camp and I remember the 1 hour a day for 1 week at the range. Made a hellava impression on me, and a lasting one also. Dad NEVER took me shooting EVER. A stranger had to.

What we need is to make things attractive to adults. The more adults who get into shooting, the better. Ask anybody who owns a gun shop whether they like having conceal and carry permit holders in their community. The answer will probably be yes, because they're not just buying guns. Some of them are taking up shooting as a hobby.

Leading adults into shooting is like trying to lead them to church. If they don't feel the need, they ain't goin. JMO

At my other club, it's getting hard to gain access to the pistol range because  so many carry holders are shooting just for fun these days. The man who opens his indoor range on winter weekends for bullseye matches has had to scale back on the bullseye because the range is so busy that he had to decide which of his customers to keep happy. I'm glad he scaled back the bullseye. He's getting people in there shooting.

And the kinds of people he gets in there are the ones that have money, pay bills, and can afford shooting as a hobby. They also bring their wives and kids along.



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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2009, 10:16:49 AM »
As a Boy Scout leader, I cannot express enough gratitude to the kind people who have allowed our boys to shoot and learn about the shooting sports at their ranges.

We have a large troop, and many, many of our boys are now participants in the shooting sports purely because of the generosity of others willing to facilitate their experience and pleasure.

I know that it can be an inconvenience, but those of us working with the Scouts thank you from the bottom of our hearts.
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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2009, 10:19:45 AM »
Well, it seems to me from the way you worded your first post you were just inviting the comments you got. Your last post makes things clearer.

Let me ask you a question. If adults who like to shoot don't take the time to organize activities to get kids involved in shooting how are they going to learn? You have already pointed out that most kids parents are to lazy or disinterested to teach them. The days of a kid grabbing his .22 and heading out to the bushes like I, and possibly you, used to do are long gone. Surely the kids can't take all day on both Saturday and Sunday. If they do, it's time to take it up with the members who are promoting this activity. There should be a way to arrange for everyone to do their thing on the weekends.

My particular range has a match scheduled every weekend in the month. The small bore guys one weekend, the run & gun guys another, and the wanta-be cowboys on another. I forget the fourth bunch. However, the rest of the range is open to everyone else. Just the area used by the club of the weekend is restricted on the weekend they shoot. Surely your bunch can come to a reasonable agreement.

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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2009, 10:44:34 AM »
As a Scout leader of various flavors at various times (Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Venture Scouts and Girl Scouts) I have to say that I TRULY appreciate any range that will let us shoot there.  Our options in Germany are limited but the Heidelburg Rod and Gun club is ALWAYS helpful.  They cut us a deal on ammo, gun rental and range time.  Frequently they reserve the trap range for our kids.  In the past 5 years or so I've had a conservative 2000 kids on my ranges.  From the 5 year old Daisy to 20 year old Venturer's... kids like to shoot.  The boys more so than the girls in general.  I can count three (3) boys that didn't want to shoot either bb or archery at Cub Scout camps.  Perhaps 5 girl scouts.  In general if it goes out of a barrel, sling shot or bow, they like to shoot it.  Get some throwing hatchets and some boy scouts together and they won't be able to lift their arms the next day...  I look at it as an investment in getting kids some exposure (no matter how little each time) with the shooting sports.

In Maryland we used to shoot at a private range owned by a older gent named "Buzz".  I can't think of his last name right off but he always supported Boy Scouts and 4H clubs.  The guys that shot out there (NWTF club) loved to have us out too.  They would usually bring different guns for my oldest daughter to shoot.  She started shooting trap there and eventually broke 16 at just 13yo while shooting a full sized 11-87.  Too much gun but she wouldn't shoot my 20ga or one of the other guy's 28 ga.  She's stubborn like that.


Anyway... I guess I would complain in your situation too.  But I would be complaining because I ran out of ammo letting them shoot.  Boy Scouts can only shoot .22lr rifles, and 12 ga and smaller shotguns.  No pistols.  Venture Scouts don't have those restrictions and can actually hunt as an organized scout activity.  Cub Scouts can only shoot bb rifles.  Girl Scouts don't have a lot or regulation on types of guns but the policy is up to the council.

If there are that many scouting units in your area that are shooting... GREAT!  Someone is doing something right in your area.  Help them out.  Donate ammo.  Donate time.  Use of guns.  Targets.  Ear plugs and glasses are cheap and easy too.

Have fun with it and help those kids have a safe and great time.  It may be your ONLY chance to influence them AND their parents.


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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2009, 11:10:37 AM »
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2009, 11:34:11 AM »
If your club is that busy all the time, and I hope it is fot the futher of the shooting sports, then do as we did and open up another range on the property just for the kids!
There is always someone willing to work with them, if only in shifts.
There are very few ranges that do not have the extra room.
Yours may not but I bet something could be arranged.

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« Reply #23 on: August 24, 2009, 11:37:09 AM »
I spent three or four summers at scout camp.  I would like to thank the Boy Scouts of America, my parents, and community leaders who supported the program.  I was fortunate to have parents that supported the program, and there were older folks with grown kids in the community that supported the program when their kids were out of the house.

Two activities at camp were at the top of my list, small bore shooting on the rifle range, and skeet shooting.  Safety was at the top of the chart.  The focus on safe gun handling, including muzzle control, properly removing a live round from a firearm were critical subjects.  The reminder that there was a big first aid kit on each range in case of an accident was pointed out before any ammunition was handed out.
The walk between the main building and the rifle range was about a mile, and it was about a ˝ mile to the skeet range.  Scouts carrying firearms to the range were reviewed on proper carry methods, if they messed up the firearm was taken from them.  There were no screw-ups. 

If a scout had a discipline problem on the range he was removed from the range and not allowed to return.  The knowledge that a scout would be held accountable prevented problems.

It was at Scout Camp that I discovered I am left eye dominate.  My best buddy who is left handed was shooting all these tiny groups, and I was not keeping up with him.  I tried shooting left handed and my scores improved because I could see the sights and target better.  I rather doubt this would have been discovered at an informal family target practice day.

Soon after my parents had my eyes tested and I have been wearing glasses every since.

I believe the firearms training I received in Scouting made me a safe hunter.  In turn I became involved in Scouting a second time when my son became the right age.  I followed up by becoming a Hunter Safety Instructor.
Uninvolved shooters benefit from the firearms safety training that some scouts receive.  A boy who has had proper training is less likely to have a firearms accident.  Firearm accidents are a major factor used in anti-gun legislation.  An accident prevented is one less rock in the anti group arsenal.   
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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #24 on: August 24, 2009, 11:38:28 AM »
Dee:

I have seen a huge increase in the number of people shooting in this area. The main factor has been conceal and carry and the presence of good clay shooting ranges. The increase has been just staggering. The number of ranges in my area is increasing, and existing ranges are expanding. Who is going there? People in their 30s, 40s, 50s and 60s. Even in places like Wyoming most of the shooters at the ranges are in that demographic.

I see very few people in their teens and 20s shooting around here. Most that do are people from other countries and people whose parents also shoot regularly. Cost is probably a factor. As in my case, I strongly believe it takes a catalyst later in life to make one an enthusiastic shooter.

The only really good things I see coming out of teaching kids for a day or two is that they learn some gun safety. That's great. But it doesn't require a range.

One thing that I simply can't understand is why there isn't more emphasis on shotgunning. I'm not a big shotgunner, but when I see stuff like this, it makes me think we're doing it all wrong:
1) The kids at the .22 range don't look like they're having much fun.
2) Kids shooting clays with easy trap targets and a light recoiling 20 gauge are clearly having fun. They really enjoy it. Shooting a moving target that breaks. What could be more naturally appealing to a kid? Same applies to women who don't otherwise shoot. Give a lady a shotgun that fits and doesn't kick too badly and she enjoys the game.

Yet, as I said, there's darned little, if any, training in this for kids. I'd rather give a kid two boxes of shotgun shells and some easy targets than a brick of 22s and the tedium of just shooting holes in paper. Cost will be about the same, but the results may be more lasting.

Another observation on shooting is: what's wrong with setting up cans and breakable targets to shoot at with a .22. Clean-up will be a bit more involved but it sure is more fun than shooting at paper. My kids never liked shooting at paper initially. They loved shooting at soda cans and stationary clay targets on the berm. My son didn't even tolerate shooting at paper until I required him to hone his marksmanship for hunting. By then his marksmanship was pretty good because he already knew a lot about shooting, but not about shooting with the kind of consistency needed for hunting. A little "paper training" made him see the value of placing a bullet accurately on game.

Furthermore, what's wrong with semi-auto sustained fire on a reactive target? That's a heck of a lot more fun than shooting paper, yet I have never seen any one of these kid classes allow such activity. When I see adult shooters having fun at the range, particularly the pistol range, most of them are engaging in sustained fire of some kind. That's where the fun is.

Why is there a consistent drop in the number of hunters? It's not for lack of training. Since the requirements for hunter safety and the attendant one or two day shooting classes, there are more people than ever being formally schooled in the rudiments of shooting. But there's nothing to keep them shooting.

As I see it, these one day seminar classes are trying to accomplish too much in too little time. As a result, they are almost pointless.











 
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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2009, 11:47:30 AM »
Longtom:

Now that's one of the best ideas I've ever read. You're right. The root of my frustration is seeing all this hoopla for getting kids to attend a short seminar course that doesn't give them a lasting appreciation for shooting.

Your idea of having a supervised kid range is an excellent one. Have you contacted the NRA with that idea? I would definitely propose that to my problem club if I had a good outline for a plan. If you want my e-maiil address just let me know and I'll send it to you in a PM.

My other club has a kids only shotgun league. Most of the kids have parents who shoot, but it sure gives them a good time. The problem club really hasn't got anything for kids except these feel good classes I'm whining about. In fact, it's doubly detestable because there are about 400 trap shooters coming to shoot twice weekly for leagues, but there is nothing for the kids at those leagues. It's mostly barbecue and beer for the adults. Guys night out. Nothing wrong with that, but just having one or two trap houses for supervised shooting by kids would be a step in the right direction.
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« Reply #26 on: August 24, 2009, 11:53:56 AM »
For me watching paint dry is almost as much fun as punching holes in paper. It's one reason I shoot so little on my range. I just get too many complaints from neighbors and them calling the cops when I shoot steel heck one way back over the hill from me even claimed a woodpecker hole in a tree in his yard was from me shooting steel so said the cop that came here that day. To do that I'd have had to shoot thru the hill or shoot almost straight up to get a bullet to drop that close back there. They here bullets bang steel and being nonshooters get all excited.

I have a legal shooting range that's completely safe even for steel shooting but don't do it anymore other than at 25 yards some times.


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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2009, 12:03:37 PM »
That's tragic GB. Do you want to trade homes?

I love punching paper. Nothing in target shooting thrills me as much as seeing a deep 10 on a precision target. Yippee dogs that's fun. Well, that's not entirely true. A run of 10 shots that rips the center out of the 10 ring on a slow fire bullseye target....it don't get no better than that.

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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2009, 12:05:42 PM »
Me in Minny soda?  :o I think not winters are too danged cold for me here in the Heart of Dixie.


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Re: Further amplifying my status as a pariah
« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2009, 12:10:53 PM »
Questor:

It doesn't even have to be that involved.
I am just like a big kid.
I hate shooing paper.
I do it when I have to but I would much rather be out shooting in the fields.
That is what teaches us range estimation and the proper hold in different positions that we will come across while out in the real world of hunting.
Nothing wrong with shooting targets, but they don't have to be paper.
We used a lot of different things.
Clay birds hung on strings was a big hit with the kids.
They love to see something blow to pieces when they hit it.
That also is the time to teach them about the power of even a small 22.
When it blows to pieces that makes an impression on them that no paper hole can do!
We even used some of the target boxes that blow up when hit.
That was a real treat for them.
Not a single kid got bored or wanted to quit.
Just the opposite, they didn't want to stop.
Each couldn't wait for their turn to shoot.
I tell you after 7 hours of this and I was still having as much fun as they were.
I wish more clubs would do something along this line on a regular basis.
We take the kids and the parents can go do what they want.
After the first or second time we found the parents were staying to watch and were even asking if they could help.
It's really not that hard or even that much work.
Well worth it in IMO!


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