Author Topic: What do YOU mean when you say EOTWAWKI? (Read 2838 times)

teamnelson · « **on:** August 17, 2009, 05:47:21 PM »

We talk alot about surviving in an EOTWAWKI or SHTF scenario, but often the posts are mixed metaphors, so the advice is useless for the scenario in the mind of the reader. When you picture in your mind what such a scenario would actually be, what are YOU thinking?

Mahalo, Chaps

Skunk · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2009, 05:55:45 PM »

Combination of any of the above except for Zombie Apocalypse. If I had to pick just one though, I think mostly, Civil war, Societal collapse, when thinking of an EOTWAWKI or SHTF scenario

Yankee1 · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2009, 05:58:47 PM »

Hi Team Nelson
I'm thinking that someone is attempting to take our liberty away using the pretense of Martial Law. In order to control our country against our will and our Constitution. I'm not just thinking about a catastrophe and survival.
Yankee1

TribReady · « **Reply #3 on:** August 17, 2009, 06:30:44 PM »

I guess I picture (and voted for) the civil war, societal collapse option. I believe that that scenario will be followed by the other events (except the zombies)
I think in most areas, especially morality and spirituality, the S has already HTF

Oldshooter · « **Reply #4 on:** August 17, 2009, 06:45:05 PM »

Well I hear/see those terms a lot lately. for me it ain't civil war/societal collapse cause i think our society could improve with a good revolt! at least in the long run! It may be a combination of a few things in the list but not just civil war as far as I'm concerned. I feel we are headed for economic collapse! which will be the end of the world as a lot of us know it. After that the "wolves and hyenas" will come to feed on the carcass! It does not matter that you have the greatest military power since the Roman Empire if you collapse from within! And the Son of a Mother that is the president is doing everything that can be done to do just that! He cannot hold all the blame cause nincompoops("US") gave him the go ahead! I think societal collapse will come as a result of economic ruin! not civil war!

As far as nuclear apocalypse goes, I can only hope the first "bomb" hits me on the head! I'm ready to meet my maker and look forward to the "interview". I am saddened and humiliated that my generation has done so poorly for our children! The Great Generation fought to save the world and we have pawned it for money to buy crack as far as i can see! Maybe not literally, but we sure have wasted what we were given!

teamnelson · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2009, 07:26:41 PM »

I voted combination; a worst case scenario in my mind is a cataclysmic event/cbrn event accidental or engineered on the heels of which a psuedogovernment attempts to take control. I think the sequence is important as I imagine the sheep will be bleating when the lights go out so they'll sell their soul for the promise of safety.

Graybeard · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2009, 11:24:14 PM »

I'm with Yankee1 on this. That's what I see coming our way and believe it will show prior to the end of 2012.

I also agree with oldshooter I'm ready for that interview also and guess the sooner the better and for sure I don't really want to make it too long into the real situation I feel is coming our way at break neck speed.

Chappers · « **Reply #7 on:** August 18, 2009, 03:41:55 AM »

When i think about it, it would most likely be foreign attack in my country... to the north of us we have countries that have populations around 237 million to 1,338 million while we have a humble 21 million.
Take in consideration that the Australian Army has only 27,000 regular troops and lets compare with the smallest branch of the USAF, the US coast Guard that has 42,000... the hole of the ADF (Australian Defence Force) 53,000...

burntmuch · « **Reply #8 on:** August 18, 2009, 04:46:39 AM »

Im thinking a race war will be the beginning of it. Or like said above An attempt at martial law. In my mind all the scenarios mentioned lead to EOTWAWKI. Think about it. A foreign attack has already started. Now all its gonna take is for people to figure it out.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #9 on:** August 18, 2009, 06:02:15 AM »

Quote from: Chappers on August 18, 2009, 03:41:55 AM

When i think about it, it would most likely be foreign attack in my country... to the north of us we have countries that have populations around 237 million to 1,338 million while we have a humble 21 million.
Take in consideration that the Australian Army has only 27,000 regular troops and lets compare with the smallest branch of the USAF, the US coast Guard that has 42,000... the hole of the ADF (Australian Defence Force) 53,000...

yes you are correct
if things go bad here we should take australia
at least you people speak english.....not so true here in parts
and you people have been disarmed too
just kidding.......[hope you know that]

SHTF= one of the above
EOTWAWKI= A COMBONATION

how rapidly the above happen has some bering
is our gradual move to socialism discribed as either SHTF or EOTWAWKI
or do these terms apply when we resist or it fails?

Oldshooter · « **Reply #10 on:** August 18, 2009, 06:09:24 AM »

I think an enemy attack here will come after we implode! not before Think chicoms! We will have built our enemies wealth and power and our resources will be in tact cause we dont use em!

zacharoo · « **Reply #11 on:** August 18, 2009, 07:42:19 AM »

There are a few countries that are hoping that we have an internal war. That way we will weeken ourselves within the country. While we are killing our own people they lay back and reap the rewards. We are a country now being eaten by cancer from within. If we don't find a cure for EVIL POLITICAl POWER STRUCTURES we are going to eat our selves alive. God help us for we are in bad times. Our children and grand children will never see the times and freedom we have seen. Until we return to a God fearing and believing country we are DOOMED!!!

Zacharoo

Graybeard · « **Reply #12 on:** August 18, 2009, 09:30:27 AM »

IF/WHEN the US implodes I see a strong liklihood of Russia taking Alaska and perhaps the western provinces of Canada and trying to move south from there to take the NW states. I see Mexico making a full blown assualt (as if they aren't already) to take Texas, NM, AZ, CA and perhaps trying to move north from there. Their folks already here in all cities all across the country will jump into this fray as well and no doubt make life more difficult all over.

China is likely to make an all out attempt to take us from the west to east but will have to fight US citizens along the way in addition to the mexicans and likely the Russians for what land they take. Then too knowing that they might bypasss the west coast and just come in from the east where pickings will be easier.

When it begins the US will be busted into pieces from which it will never be reasembled again. In truth we have no friends only folks who like to use us for what they can get and lots of enemies looking for a chance to knock us off the pedestal. Once the US falls China especially but likely Russia as well along perhaps with the muzlims will try to take as much of the rest of the world as they can. Europe will fall quickly to Russia from the north and China to the south. The real interesting story will be how the two decide to divide it up and whether it is peacefully arranged or if the two will go to war. If they do Russia might not like the outcome.

burntmuch · « **Reply #13 on:** August 18, 2009, 09:42:21 AM »

GB those are some scarry thoughts.

zacharoo · « **Reply #14 on:** August 18, 2009, 09:48:46 AM »

Keep your gun and your BIBLE close at all times!!! Don't look to Washington for help for America. Your only hope is from God's own love for a believing people!

Zacharoo

Graybeard · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2009, 09:52:51 AM »

Yup ya best be clinging to your guns and Bibles.

pab1 · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2009, 09:54:06 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on August 18, 2009, 09:30:27 AM

I see Mexico making a full blown assualt (as if they aren't already) to take Texas, NM, AZ, CA and perhaps trying to move north from there. Their folks already here in all cities all across the country will jump into this fray as well and no doubt make life more difficult all over.

Yep, their troops are already in place, just waiting for the right time. I think your entire post is pretty accurate GB.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2009, 10:14:58 AM »

All ya'll write may come true but i see a slow decline . A decline that we can't recover from with out default to other nations . This would cause them problems forcing them to stop trade with us . It would also inflate our money to being useless . The hard part is to decide what part our military will play , look at Russia . They were knocked to their knees but had so many weapons no one dared attack . We could very well end up in such a state of affairs maybe even breaking into smaller unions that can better run affairs . Big cities will suffer most as they consume products at a high rate . We may be lucky to have any health care , food , fuel etc.
We will see the voice of the people in 2010 , if voters support what is going on then we get what we deserve . 2012 will be to late to stop the madness i am afraid .

Graybeard · « **Reply #18 on:** August 18, 2009, 10:18:15 AM »

In the case of the break up of the Soviet Union it had more to do with China not being ready at the time and no other power than the US being big enough and none really inclined to imperialism. Now China is ready and Russia too is likely ready to expand again if the right situation were presented.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #19 on:** August 18, 2009, 10:27:42 AM »

That could be true , but what our military does will mean alot IE nukes . We are talking really bad times .

Almtnman · « **Reply #20 on:** August 18, 2009, 10:28:10 AM »

I think like a few others did as it will be from the collapse of our own government. It seems to be on a fast track heading that way as of this very minute because we have a inexperienced far left wing community organizing liberal nut loose in the White House that is doing everything he can to not abide by or honor the very Constitution that has been in place ever since this country was formed. Some of the other countries that might want to take a piece of the pie here thinks we have a Putz in charge now and they are probably right. Our politicians no longer listen to "We The People" and are only in it for self gain and fortune.
Things will get tougher as it goes and the economy keeps heading downhill. People will need money, food and anything else they can get to survive and won't hesitate to take it from you if you are a sheep. I tend to be a sheepdog myself and on the alert for things about to happen and stay on the prepared side.

If you have time check out this guys website and read some of his stuff...he's got him pegged!!!
http://www.galganov.com/

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Canadian Editorial Comments

Barack Obama By Howard Galganov

When Obama won the Presidency with the help of the LEFTIST Media, Hollywood and Entertainment Liberals, Ethnic Socialists (ACORN), Stupid Non-Business Professionals and Bush Haters, I wrote:

It won’t take 6 months until the people figure this guy out and realize how horrible a mistake they’ve made. And when they come to that realization, the damage to the United States of America will be so great, that it will take a generation or more to repair - IF EVER..

The IDIOTS who not only voted for the Messiah, but also worked [hard] to promote his Lordship, are now left holding the bag.

Here are two things they will NEVER do:
1 – They will NEVER admit to making a blunder out of all proportion by electing a snake-oil salesman with no positive social history or management experience of any kind.
2 – They will NEVER take responsibility for the curse they’ve imposed upon the immediate and long-term future of their country.
In essence, the people responsible for putting this horror-show in power are themselves responsible for every cataclysmic decision he makes and the consequences thereof.

In just 6 (SIX) months, the Messiah’s polls are showing the following:

On Healthcare Reform - He’s going under for the third time with polling well under 50%, even within his own Party.
Even though he might be able to muscle a Healthcare Reform Bill by using Chicago BULLY tactics against his fellow Democrats, it will just make things worse.

On Cap And Trade (Cap & Tax) – The Fat-Lady is already singing.

On the Stimulus Package (Tax and Spend) - His popularity is in FREE-FALL.

On the TARP package he took and ran with from President Bush - It’s all but Good-Night Irene.

On the closing of GITMO and “HIS” war on what he no longer wants called the War On Terrorism - He’s standing in quicksand with his head just about to go under.

On a comparison between himself and George W Bush at the same 6 months into their respective first term Presidencies - Bush is ahead of him in the Polls.

On a comparison between He Who Walks On Water and the 12 preceding Presidents between WW II and now - Obama ranks 10th.

On a Poll just conducted, that asks who would you vote for today between Obama and Mitt Romney - It’s a dead heat.

Between Obama and Palin - Obama’s ONLY ahead by 8 points and she hasn’t even begun to campaign.

It seems to me that Obama wants to be everywhere where he shouldn’t be.

He’s personally invested in [totally insulting] America ’s ONLY REAL Middle Eastern ally ( Israel ) in favor of Palestinian Despots and Murderers.

He’s traveling the world apologizing for the USA while lecturing others on how to do it right, when in fact and truth, he has no experience at doing anything other than getting elected.

He went to the Moslem world in Egypt to declare that America IS NOT A CHRISTIAN NATION while he heaped praises on Islam, where he compared the “plight” of the Palestinians to the Holocaust.

The Russians think he’s a Putz. The French think he’s rude. The Germans want him to stop spending. The Indians want him to mix his nose out of their environmental business. The North Koreans think he’s a joke. The Iranians won’t acknowledge his calls. And the British can’t even come up with a comprehensive opinion of him.

As for the Chinese, he’s too frightened to even glance their way. [After all, China now owns a large portion of the United States.]

, if America’s first Emperor would stay home more and travel less, and work a little bit instead of being on television just about everyday, or forget about his Wednesday Date Nights with his Amazon Wife, or stop running to “papered” Town Hall Meetings, perhaps he would have a little bit of time to do the work of the nation.

In all fairness, it wasn’t HARD to be RIGHT in my prediction concerning Obama’s Presidency, even in its first 6 months, so I’m going to make yet another prediction:

OBAMA WILL PROBABLY NOT FINISH HIS 4-YEAR TERM, at least not in a conventional way.

He is such a political HORROR-SHOW, and so detrimental to the USA and his own Democratic Party, that the Democrats themselves will either FORCE him to resign or figure out a way to have him thrown out.

Who knows, maybe he really isn’t a BORN US Citizen and that’s a way the Democrats will be able to get rid of him. [He is a citizen, but not a naturalized citizen with both mother and father being U.S. citizens.]

Or – MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, the Democrats will make Obama THEIR OWN LAME DUCK PRESIDENT.

I don’t believe the Democrats have nearly as much love for their country as they do for their own political fortunes. And with Obama, their fortunes are rapidly becoming toast.

The Democrats can keep on blaming Bush for EVERYTHING. But, that game’s already begun to wear real thin.

Their mantra was “WE DON’T WANT 4 MORE YEARS”, which the STUPID people bought, since McCain was nothing at all like George W Bush.
The new mantra will soon become: WE DON’T WANT 6 MORE MONTHS.

Graybeard · « **Reply #21 on:** August 18, 2009, 11:42:35 AM »

I might be wrong but I don't think the military can arm or deploy our nukes without the codes held by civilians. I do agree that what our military does is gonna be a very important part of it all when it comes down.

I have no interest in being a sheep dog or a sheep but ya can darn well bet I'll be a wolf and not in sheep's clothing either when SHTF. Come that day messing around here will be very hazardous to one's health.

Almtnman · « **Reply #22 on:** August 18, 2009, 11:55:55 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on August 18, 2009, 11:42:35 AM

I have no interest in being a sheep dog or a sheep but ya can darn well bet I'll be a wolf and not in sheep's clothing either when SHTF. Come that day messing around here will be very hazardous to one's health.

Bill, some sheepdogs are capable of killing a wolf, even a large bear.

gypsyman · « **Reply #23 on:** August 19, 2009, 04:16:30 AM »

I think it will start with a civil war/societal collapse. This will start out as a race war primaraly. When people can't make it to work because of civil unrest, hospitals will close, refinery's will shut down, supermarkets will close. It will be a domino effect. Then I think you'll see terrorists attacks. In all the confusion, terrorists will take advantage of it. I think you'll see a combination of bombings,possibly nuclear, and biological. And I believe that this will happen on a global scale, as of right now, our country,England,Isreal still can respond. When we're to busy trying to control the mayhem in our own country, they will take make matters worse. Sure hope we're all wrong on this, but I don't think so. gypsyman

The Hermit · « **Reply #24 on:** August 19, 2009, 07:05:10 PM »

I feel like Oldshooter, it's a sad state of affairs we are in. You can't hardly carry on a conversation with many of todays youth. Many can't read or write even after graduating. They have no comprehension of the real world today and can't point out China on a globe. Blood shot eyes from the drugs.....etc.
What better way to take over than supplying drugs to our youth? We have no border with Mexico.
How can you expect a kid to become a leader when he can't keep his own pants from falling down?
I only travel out to town for supplies once a month in the summer so I don't have to deal with them.
I'm not sure how it's all going to happen and am too darn old to do anything about it except to defend myself to the end. Although I miss my late wife, Donna, in a way its for the best that she's not here to live with this mess. I've only got me to take care of now, and I "aint" no quitter.
The muslim population is growing world wide at a rapid rate. They have zero tolerance for any other faith.
They are actively working to change laws in Europe.
People are actively working to remove all references to God in the USA, even arresting coaches for a quick prayer said at an adult banquet.
China owns the bulk of our treasury bills due to the imbalance of trade. They own America, thank you WalMart and big business. They were stopped short (temporarily) of controlling our sea ports. What's next?
I'll stop ranting for now. Sorry.
Help your loved ones to be more self sufficent. Keep your arms at all costs.

The Hermit

The Hermit · « **Reply #25 on:** August 23, 2009, 03:49:20 PM »

Chappers. Please correct me if I got this wrong. I think you are from Australia and If I understand correctly, your guns have been taken away. Can you tell us how that went about? I am curious if the same pattern will be used here. ( or did I misunderstand about the guns? ) thanks

The Hermit

Chappers · « **Reply #26 on:** August 23, 2009, 04:37:14 PM »

Yes Hermit im a Australian. We have very tight gun control over here that was brought about in 1996. The firearms act was made in 1991 but was implemented and approved thought parliament after the dark day that is known as the Port Arthur Massacre (1996).

Port Arthur Massacre was something that nothing like it happened in Australia before, the whole nation was in shock. At that time gun control had been put to parliament but two states where against it Queensland (the state i live in) and Tasmania (the state that this massacre happened) and with public outcry both states had to back down in their stance.

So now Only 5.2 percent of Australians own a firearm. It’s a bit of work to have a firearm in Australia. First you need to have a two day safety course for category of firearm that you will be applying to obtain. Then you must submit for a firearms licence (background check)after that to get firearm that is in your category class (A, B, C, D, E, H, M and R) you must put in a permit to acquire when you get this then you can purchase that firearm and bla bla bla.... it’s a bureaucrats wet dream all the paper work you have to fill out. But for the short of it is your bolt, leaver, pump and brake actions for centre /rim fire are easy to get. Handguns you must be with a pistol club for six months and shoot your handgun more than four times a year in comps(per pistol and only use then in comps) to keep the licence. Then harder ones a semi-auto rimfire rifles pump actions shotguns and after that your dreaming (eg. My soon to be uncle in-law has a category D licence (semi-auto centre fire rifle), less than 50 people in the town and surrounding area (est. pop: 74,530) have this type of licence.

I have been told that when the laws first came out it helped the sales of PVC pipes, wax and grease a little.

So we do still have firearms in Australia Hermit but over here it a privilege (one that can very easily be taken away) to own and something that not all can obtain.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #27 on:** August 23, 2009, 04:49:11 PM »

chappers

care to make a prediction when it will be like that here

do you see a way to have stopped it there??

what advice have you got for us?

45-70.gov........dam i hate my last name

kevthebassman · « **Reply #28 on:** August 23, 2009, 05:11:25 PM »

To me, it's different levels. SHTF to me means something like a Katrina event. A temporary catastrophic breakdown in law and order coupled with natural disaster. It's not an all-over event, and things will be back to some sort of normal within the next month or two.

When I think TEOTWAWKI, I think mad max, mutants on motorcycles, and walking skeletons desperate for any scrap of food or drink of clean water. Things will never be the same, start of a new dark age or beginning of the end.

Chappers · « **Reply #29 on:** August 23, 2009, 05:39:07 PM »

Well 45-70gov it is hard to say for one i dont really know the plight of what’s currently going on in the states with gun control... but if i had to speculate i would have to say not anytime soon.

The way i see it is Australia is one of the few countries that has not been forge by war or civil unrest unlike the states, hence why you forefathers deemed it needed to put in that it is your right to have arms (please correct me if anything that i say is wrong) i think this is in the bill of rights. Something that is culturally important to your country. See the way i see it until they change the bill of rights (which would be hard being a important document that helped shaped the country to what it is) i cant see much they can do apart from restricting the types of arms or lobby for dramatic change.

No i don’t see a way that it could of been changed over hear, after the Port Arthur Massacre Australia was shocked, confused and... angry. Something had to be blamed for it and people did not what it to happen a second time so the lack of gun control was to blame.

Advice would be... just hope no one dose anything any thing stupid with a firearm, the way a see the states ATM is that you all have your eyes looking oversees after 9/11 but when your troupes are home and (god forbid a another attack happens) this time a massacre with firearms (local or other) and it shakes your country to the core (like 9/11) people will want to blame and make shore it will not happen agene and in most cases pollie will take the shortest way to do so to please the people and to make them safe.

I would like to add if anything that i have written seems offensive, i was not meant to be so.

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When you use the terms EOTWAWKI or SHTF, what are you meaning?

Author Topic: What do YOU mean when you say EOTWAWKI? (Read 2838 times)