Author Topic: Just watched Arlen Specter's "Town Hall" meeting.. (Read 2027 times)

ironglow · « **on:** August 11, 2009, 05:04:11 AM »

There were numbered cards handed out randomly to those who wished to speak. The meeting was orderly, he spoke to about 30 people...only one agreed with him.
The speakers seemed not to be Republicans or Democrats. In fact, they seemed disgusted with both political parties and referred to them as a bunch of Washington disconnects.
A wonderful opportunity for an outsider to make headway right now..

magooch · « **Reply #1 on:** August 11, 2009, 05:30:02 AM »

I watched it too and what I took from it was that some of Pennsylvania's citizens are informed and incensed and Arlen Sphincter is pitiful. Arlen made some commitments as to what he would vote for and what he wouldn't, but I wouldn't put much faith in anything he says.

ironglow · « **Reply #2 on:** August 11, 2009, 02:07:11 PM »

Same here; he still looked a bit confused..

Hooker · « **Reply #3 on:** August 11, 2009, 04:44:19 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV1jmvMHsS0

You gotta love it when the elite scum get whats coming to them.

Pat

45-70.gov · « **Reply #4 on:** August 11, 2009, 05:06:04 PM »

wait a minute.....wait a minute....wait a minute
wait a minute.....wait a minute....wait a minutewait a minute.....wait a minute....wait a minute....
wait a minute.....wait a minute....wait a minute...wait a minute.....wait a minute....wait a minute......wait a minute.....wait a minute....wait a minute
wait a minute.....wait a minute....wait a minute

been a dick arlen spectacle....democrat

magooch · « **Reply #5 on:** August 12, 2009, 03:32:42 AM »

Thank you, thank you, thank you; 45-70, that is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I'm still giggling. I love your sense of humor.

PASingleshot · « **Reply #6 on:** August 12, 2009, 04:19:09 AM »

This is my town.

There were probably 3000 people outside having a peaceful protest against Arlen. There were a few lefties scattered about. I can't believe on some web sites that my townsfolk are now taking a beating for expressing opinions. We are called backwards, out of touch, dimwits, etc by the obamatons. It really pisses me off that the left can protest and demean Bush for 8 years, but, SOB, get a little questioning/protesting of the Messiah, and we're racists etc. Lebanon is a great town. Hard workers, loyal, etc. We are predominately repub, but have seen a growth in dems lately. The bigeest problem is all the welfare trash (by that I mean white, brown, black etc not one particular race) that is coming in from NYC (2hrs away) & Philly (about 1 1/2 hrs away). That's killing this place. More later.

Dee · « **Reply #7 on:** August 12, 2009, 04:39:03 AM »

You all ARE BACKWARDS, OUF OF TOUCH, DIMWITS! All of us are for voting those morons into office OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER.
There are MANY HERE, whom given all the VISUAL EVIDENCE, as of late, will in the coming elections, still vote PARTY LINES, and ignore independent HONEST CANDIDATES, claiming they have no chance. Of course they have no chance because the American people are sheep being led either by a Democrat or a Republican to believe that independents can't get elected. Democrat-Republican. Two sides to the SAME COIN!
We will see if this outrage TRANSFERS to voting differently or the same ole "lessor of", in about a year and a half.

Questor · « **Reply #8 on:** August 12, 2009, 05:48:00 AM »

PASingleShot:

I also find it disgusting that our so-called representatives are using this as an opportunity to avoid listening to their constituents. It takes a heck of a lot to get people in the streets like this, especially decent middle class family people. Now all the senators and congressmen have to say is that the people are fools.

nw_hunter · « **Reply #9 on:** August 12, 2009, 01:50:56 PM »

Quote from: Dee on August 12, 2009, 04:39:03 AM

You all ARE BACKWARDS, OUF OF TOUCH, DIMWITS! All of us are for voting those morons into office OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER.
There are MANY HERE, whom given all the VISUAL EVIDENCE, as of late, will in the coming elections, still vote PARTY LINES, and ignore independent HONEST CANDIDATES, claiming they have no chance. Of course they have no chance because the American people are sheep being led either by a Democrat or a Republican to believe that independents can't get elected. Democrat-Republican. Two sides to the SAME COIN!
We will see if this outrage TRANSFERS to voting differently or the same ole "lessor of", in about a year and a half.

You and I both know what the outcome will be! Same old (Keep the other side out at all costs)

Dee · « **Reply #10 on:** August 12, 2009, 02:23:25 PM »

Quote from: nw_hunter on August 12, 2009, 01:50:56 PM

Quote from: Dee on August 12, 2009, 04:39:03 AM
You all ARE BACKWARDS, OUF OF TOUCH, DIMWITS! All of us are for voting those morons into office OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER, AND OVER.
There are MANY HERE, whom given all the VISUAL EVIDENCE, as of late, will in the coming elections, still vote PARTY LINES, and ignore independent HONEST CANDIDATES, claiming they have no chance. Of course they have no chance because the American people are sheep being led either by a Democrat or a Republican to believe that independents can't get elected. Democrat-Republican. Two sides to the SAME COIN!
We will see if this outrage TRANSFERS to voting differently or the same ole "lessor of", in about a year and a half.

You and I both know what the outcome will be! Same old (Keep the other side out at all costs)

YEP!

Questor · « **Reply #11 on:** August 12, 2009, 02:45:41 PM »

Wow.

Heavy C · « **Reply #12 on:** August 12, 2009, 04:02:13 PM »

So what's the solution when you ONLY have a dem and a repub running?

I believe there will be a lot more 3rd party candidates in 2010, but what do we do when all we have is two candidates?

Dee · « **Reply #13 on:** August 12, 2009, 04:32:31 PM »

I don't remember in the last few years when there wasn't a third party candidate, but you ask a question with an obvious answer.

Heavy C · « **Reply #14 on:** August 12, 2009, 04:46:09 PM »

That was the point. Yes, there have been 3rd party presidential candidates. However I can't recall a time where there was a 3rd party candidate running for the Senate or House representing Texas. I could be mistaken.

What I believe is that people Like Ron Paul would do well to start building up their coffers, and start getting the grass roots effort going again. Last election everyone, including myself, was too focused on keeping Obama out. All I can say is lesson learned.

Dee · « **Reply #15 on:** August 12, 2009, 04:53:01 PM »

Well Heavy C, I certainly hope not just you have seen the light. The lessor of, is whom led us here, and there truly is only one way out, or it's will be time to oil the musket.

As far as other candidates for the Congress and the Senate on the ballot in Texas, I have been voting for them for years. Paul or Palin is the only thing that will get me to vote Republican, and I would not vote Democrat if they resurrected Ronald Reagan and ran him on the Democratic party. I will do NOTHING to help the Democratic party to build strength.

Heavy C · « **Reply #16 on:** August 12, 2009, 05:07:03 PM »

I would agree with that. Palin or Paul sound real good right now and it wouldn't surprise me if either one of them left the Republican party.

I'm goint back to the reloading bench. Ya'll have a good night.

Casull · « **Reply #17 on:** August 12, 2009, 06:12:54 PM »

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You all ARE BACKWARDS, OUF OF TOUCH, DIMWITS!

Gee, I thought you were talking about those supporting third parties.

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I will do NOTHING to help the Democratic party to build strength.

You do exactly that everytime you vote for an independent that doesn't have a chance of winning.

Questor · « **Reply #18 on:** August 13, 2009, 12:31:33 AM »

The solution is to work against whoever is in office now. When they realize that their peers are being defeated and replaced, they will be a bit more attentive to their constituency, at least for a while.

magooch · « **Reply #19 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:41:08 AM »

So as long as a candidate is not a Dumbycrat, or a Republican, he/she can be assumed to be okay. I get it that an independent can't be a lesser of two evils, but how different would a lesser of three evils be?

If a candidate runs as an independent, or from some third party, heck I'd vote for them in a second if I thought they were the best candidate. But it's not always that simple. Most of the time it is very evident that it's going to be a Republican, or a Dumbycrat and all the wishing and hoping in the world isn't going to change anything--especially when there are outfits like ACORN doing their thing. Most of the time, I vote for the Republican in hopes that he/she will keep the Dumbycrat from being elected.

Dee · « **Reply #20 on:** August 15, 2009, 02:24:26 AM »

Quote from: Casull on August 12, 2009, 06:12:54 PM

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You all ARE BACKWARDS, OUF OF TOUCH, DIMWITS!

Gee, I thought you were talking about those supporting third parties.

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I will do NOTHING to help the Democratic party to build strength.

You do exactly that everytime you vote for an independent that doesn't have a chance of winning.

Just keep ducking the reasons we're where we are today, and keep voting for'em Casull. The two sides of the same coin love you for, but will put you to sleep when you get too old to get to the polls. EVENTUALLY, you might find that "acorn", pun intended.

Casull · « **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2009, 11:04:29 AM »

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Just keep ducking the reasons we're where we are today, and keep voting for'em Casull. The two sides of the same coin love you for, but will put you to sleep when you get too old to get to the polls. EVENTUALLY, you might find that "acorn", pun intended.

Dee, you keep voting for them that can't win (and help put the greater of two evils in office).

Dee · « **Reply #22 on:** August 16, 2009, 02:22:17 AM »

Quote from: Casull on August 15, 2009, 11:04:29 AM

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Just keep ducking the reasons we're where we are today, and keep voting for'em Casull. The two sides of the same coin love you for, but will put you to sleep when you get too old to get to the polls. EVENTUALLY, you might find that "acorn", pun intended.

Dee, you keep voting for them that can't win (and help put the greater of two evils in office).

That's nonsense, but so is your voting strategy. Or lack of it. Regardless of whether the Democrats win, or your Republicrats. We the Americans LOOSE. You cannot see the forest for the trees, and continue to plod down the same ole track to ruination taking the rest of us with you. Voters like you think you have it all figured out, and we that resent settling for the few crumbs YOU ACCEPT, are the cause of YOUR problems. You and yours are your own worst enemy. You vote out of fear, rather than freedom. Each time you pull the voting lever, you give away some more of OUR freedom, out of fear of the other side. It has never occured to you and yours, that abandoning both "the more, AND the lessor", are the key to restored freedom. Your hiding behind what the politicians have TAUGHT you.

Casull · « **Reply #23 on:** August 16, 2009, 08:05:43 AM »

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That's nonsense, but so is your voting strategy. Or lack of it. Regardless of whether the Democrats win, or your Republicrats. We the Americans LOOSE. You cannot see the forest for the trees, and continue to plod down the same ole track to ruination taking the rest of us with you. Voters like you think you have it all figured out, and we that resent settling for the few crumbs YOU ACCEPT, are the cause of YOUR problems. You and yours are your own worst enemy. You vote out of fear, rather than freedom. Each time you pull the voting lever, you give away some more of OUR freedom, out of fear of the other side. It has never occured to you and yours, that abandoning both "the more, AND the lessor", are the key to restored freedom. Your hiding behind what the politicians have TAUGHT you.

Dee, you can lay off the insults. I DO understand what you are saying. And, I am not hiding behind anything, or buying anyone's bullsh*t. But, you are like those guys who claim you don't have to pay income taxes because they ae unconstitutional. They may be right, but they will never win that argument. What we need to do is bring up better people in the party. In the meantime, I will vote for the lesser of two evils, because if I do as you say, we will get the greater of two evils. Ask all those people (probably including you) that voted for Ron Paul. How did that work out for you?

Hooker · « **Reply #24 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:01:38 AM »

I use to buy into that lesser of two evils process. It's a load of BS and a crutch. You tell yourself that it gives at least a chance of winning.
But in reality, win or lose it is a compromise, and compromise is what has brought us to this sad state of affairs. You can deny this if you want and it makes you feel better. Voting the lesser evil is for the timid and if you look back in the history of this great nation you will find, that all of our greatest triumphs and trials and hardships were not met by the timid but by bold men. Everything that is good and great about this country we owe to courageous men. Voting the lesser evil is not playing it safe, it only defers the debt. That debt will have to be paid, but it will require boldness and courage. There is no guaranty that we can win by breaking this pattern but this country has faced uncertainty from it's beginning. What is certain is if we continue to vote the lesser evil we will lose, whether it be by leaps and bounds or at a snails pace it is still a loss.

Pat

Casull · « **Reply #25 on:** August 16, 2009, 10:23:14 AM »

Hooker, you're just like Dee. Bold words and a strategy that is destined to fail. Talk the big talk if it makes you feel good, and vote for the sure loser. And, know that all you are doing is helping the democraps win more elections. I'll be the first to tell you that I don't like RINO's, but I like democraps even less. As I said, what we need to do is bring up better people in our party. If you have someone that is good, the goal should be to help them win in the primaries, not run as unelectable third parties. But, you would rather be a big talk blowhard than a winner, so what's the point. BTW, usually what the "lesser of two evils" means is that you are getting some of what you want, but not all of what you want. But, some of you guys are like the kids who say "if I can't have it my way, I'm taking my ball and going home".

Hooker · « **Reply #26 on:** August 16, 2009, 11:02:14 AM »

Casull
Well I hope you don't mind getting a News Flash from an big talk blow hard. But your Republican Party is as rotten as the dems, and nothing short of a scorched earth rebuild will fix that. You have a fear of losing so you won't fight. Where would we be if our forefather were like you? But hey that's ok you keep drawing your little line in the sand and when they cross it you be tough and draw a new line.

Quote from: Casull on August 16, 2009, 10:23:14 AM

Hooker, you're just like Dee.

Dee I don't know If I take an insult like that if I were you

Pat

Casull · « **Reply #27 on:** August 16, 2009, 11:19:01 AM »

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You have a fear of losing so you won't fight.

And exactly what are you doing in your "fight"? I mean other than voting for losers and assuring democrap wins.

Dee · « **Reply #28 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:18:31 PM »

Hooker if Casull's version of winning is what he is doing now, and it's OBVIOUS RESULT, if you don't mind I will stand with you. His version is the proverbial prim rose path, is it not?

Hooker · « **Reply #29 on:** August 16, 2009, 12:21:01 PM »

Quote from: Casull on August 16, 2009, 11:19:01 AM

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You have a fear of losing so you won't fight.

And exactly what are you doing in your "fight"? I mean other than voting for losers and assuring democrap wins.

Let's assume that I still thought like you and I voted Republican lesser evil. And luck was with me and my pick won every time.
What is it that I have gained? A slower ride to the bottom. I still lose liberties but at a less accelerated rate. Government dose not grow as fast but it still grows larger and more invasive. Should I feel like a winner because I'm losing at a lower velocity? We have been doing the lesser evil thing for a lot of years it's not working my friend. It's like playing the penny slots at the casino your are winning a lot but your still going broke. The lesser evil is failed experiment yet we keep repeating it hoping for a different result. That is insanity, but what is worse is that is all the lesser has going. "Vote for me I'm not as crappy" That right there is an impressive slogan makes me want vote

This 2 party system has been playing us like puppets. They are not the only game in town like they would have us believe.
I'll bet that we want the same things from government, we just disagree on what is the best way to get there.
What is it that I am doing in my fight? Well for one thing I'm trying to get enough folks to realize that we don't have to keep wallowing with the hogs if we choose not to.

Pat