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Practiceing holdover
« on: July 27, 2009, 07:36:13 AM »
New shooters,To mess with your friends. If you don't have a ladder site on your gun you can still shoot long distance. Take a shot at a target a long way away holding a flat bead to the top of the notch, over water is best. Where the bullit strikes the water has to be seen. Next shot set the target on the front site the same as the first shot, now drop the back site down to where the bullit splashed the water. This will put you close to your target. Practice with this methoud.

Next you calibrate your barrel. Set the target at maybe 350 yards. (Loose dirt helps here.) When you fire, with flat sites, the impact in the dust marks where to drop your back site to while still holding your front site the same on the target as the first shot. Where ever the back site is on the length of your barrel you mark with tape until you are on the target, You will  be putting your back site at a specified point on the barrel for the distance shot rather than elevateing the ladder site. Look at it as raising the front site rather than raising the rear site. Small almost imperceptible marks can be made on the barrel to indicate different distances. A longer barrel works better for more working space, not much though. You can also scribe a line centered from the front site to the center of the notch in the rear site down the top of the barrel.   This will aid with centering the shot. Be careful or your buddies will see your marks. A barrel with flats helps.

The same method will work on a pistol. Start with an accurate favorite load.



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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 09:03:23 AM »
You have to know you're bullet drop at the distance your shooting.
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2009, 03:19:28 PM »
You have to know the distance you are shooting. The distances/drop are marked on the tape on the top of your barrel. That is from calibrateing the barrel, zeroing the tape marks to elevation/holdover, by actually shooting one load, An accurate favorite load at the distances you want to mark. The front site is on the target as usual and the back site is on the tape mark,the hold over. At 500 or 600 yards its more like lobbing stones than shooting if the round has a lot of drop, but it can be consistant and fun.

You can also make a manual range finder useing a frameing square with a secound bar attached (the swing leg) on the long leg with aiming points on the swing leg and also aming points on the short leg of the L. Then you can triangulate the target and scratch the distances for the leg that swings. Sort of like setting the angle in a miter saw box. Just something fun to play with for young folks.


Something to think about or do, either one. eddie
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 08:02:28 AM »
Can you post us a picture of your square set-up?
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 03:18:48 PM »
I built it so many years ago it is probably rust by now. It was made from angle iron welded at a 90 and another peace attached with a bolt and wign nut. The L is made stationary and aimed at the target and then the swing arm is aimed, calibrate at known distances and then extrapolate.The arrangement ends up like a quare U with one end that will swing, pivot where the upright hit the base. I don't own a camera or have a cell phone with a camera either. eddie
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 11:53:13 AM »
I range the distance then use my Burris scope markings with in the scope to shoot long distance. Its alot easer.
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2009, 01:23:22 PM »
jro, you are absolutely right. You also might be to knowledgable and well healed to enjoy such play. eddie
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2009, 07:39:54 AM »
With 500 yards or less I use a 30-06 and a Burris scope with Ballistic Plex markings.  For anything over that I use my 338/378 and dial the scope, out to 1000 yards.

I use a range finder, and a chart I made that is tapped to my stock that gives me the settings for the scope at various ranges.
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2009, 03:54:38 AM »
I was talking open iron sites, no calibrated Williams type sites. Just front site and hold over.
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2009, 07:21:42 AM »
eddiegjr:  I realized you were using open sites.  But unfortunately many of us can no longer use them.  I can get by with a peep site if it's up close.  But I have to use a scope for anything beyond 100 yards.  Most people get that way at about 45 to 50 years of age.  I've been that way now for quite a long time.

And I only wear glasses to drive.
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2009, 12:41:21 PM »
Sourdough, Me too. I have enough floaters and clouds in my eyes that I never feel alone. that is why I began the post with "new shooters". They also have the energy to try it (I'm too lazy now), I should have said young new shooters maybe.  ;) eddie

PS: It isn't so bad when concentrateing on the front site though. I do this with my pistols (22) a lot still. Sacreing fish eaters away from fish ponds. I hit enough to surprise me.
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Re: Practiceing holdover
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2009, 10:02:40 AM »
I use a Burris scope it has a ladder for different ranges. They aren't right on but they come real close up to 600 yds.
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