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Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« on: July 06, 2009, 03:28:06 AM »
His decisions resulted in so many deaths and maimings. It would be better if he had never lived.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/06/robert.mcnamara.obit/index.html
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Re: Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2009, 03:44:23 AM »
I watched an interview of him on History Channel one day.  He made my blood run cold with his thoughts and views.  When they came to the part of the interview where he thought the world was overpopulated and war was neccessary to control the population I thought right then somebody needs to tie this A-Hole up and let him face his own slow agonizing death.  That would change that idiots views real quick.  I guess the world is one person less populated now.

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Re: Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2009, 03:47:24 AM »
If you're talking about the part he played in the conduct of the Vietnam War, I prefer to put the blame exactly where it belongs.  And that would be on the Congress of the United States and LBJ.  That isn't to excuse anything that McNamara did, or didn't do, but he was not the main player.
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Re: Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2009, 04:10:53 AM »
Magooch:

I have to disagree partially. LBJ and congress were the decision makers, but McNamara was the architect. He was a main player because of that role. 
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Re: Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2009, 04:20:23 AM »
Very true, but it was done with LBJ's blessings.
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Re: Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2009, 04:28:57 AM »
Most presidents have no idea how to fight a war.  That is why there are generals, admirals ect...

LBJ relied on McNamara's advice on how to fight and win a war that couldn't be won.  McNamara and his "Whiz Kids" failed in an epic sense.  LBJ just signed his name to the document that made the buck stop with him.
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Re: Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2009, 04:42:33 AM »
Magooch:

No disagreement there. It was a big mess. LBJ's decision to escalate the war and hold the purse strings for much of the early funding was the big mistake.

Getting into the war made quite a bit of sense because of the very serious consequences of the spread of communism through southeast Asia, and the likely strengthening effect it would have on communist China and Russia.

One of the biggest problems I see with America at war since Korea is the concept of winning. We keep trying to win wars through escalation when the real solution is to engage an enemy over time, probably on a smaller scale. The way Iraq/Afghanistan is being conducted actually seems to be a good approach. I hope we've learned an important lesson. I think the next lesson is how to deal with the problem of long-term US military presence in a region.

I'm probably the only guy in America that says and truly believes that the US won the Viet Nam war. The US met its objectives for being there. Communism was contained. Doors to important diplomacy with China were opened. The Soviet Union was further weakened partially because of the war. I don't see how that can be characterized as a loss. I wasn't there. But I've read quite a bit of the history of it. The history says we lost, but the facts just don't support that conclusion.
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Re: Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« Reply #7 on: July 06, 2009, 05:10:37 AM »
Not sure about that engagement over time thing.  I think it depends on what you are trying to accomplish.  If you are trying to destroy your enemy through military force then long-term engagement is wrong.  Strike hard, strike fast, destroy everything of value in your path.  If you are trying to "nation build" or whatever you want to call it then long term engagement is probably a better course.  Of course there is the possibility that it is easier to "nation build" from a clean slate.  Easier to rebuild Germany and Japan after WWII than Iraq.  Germany and Japan were pretty much decimated.  We rebuilt them from a clean slate.  I think there is a lot to be said for the option of being able to decimate your enemy's land.  They should know that you hold the option of reducing the entire AOR into rubble if you so wish.  Back on topic... that b@#$#%^ tried to run the tactical war from a strategic position.  He convinced the entire government that you could win by partially defeating the enemy.  Got a lot of GI's killed for no good reason.  We are still fighting our wars Vietnam style.  We construct bases and then patrol out of them and come back at night.  We don't occupy territory.  We should be fighting more like WWII.  Destroy the enemy in an area and then we occupy that area and move forward.


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Re: Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2009, 07:23:25 AM »
"The Tigers Way" by John Pool is a good read on eastern war strategy and tactics.
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Re: Robert McNamara: Good riddance.
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2009, 07:29:05 AM »
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His decisions resulted in so many deaths and maimings. It would be better if he had never lived.

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Watched an interview many years ago when the scumbag visited Vietnam and kissed their butts.  He stated that he did not believe in the war while he was running it.   

Hated the &*%$@$# when I was in the US Army and still detest his guts.  Fantastic that he is gone during my lifetime.  I have waited 44 years to pee all over his grave.  I will do just that.