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Offline jeepmann1948

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Bullet test by Fed Dept of Ag
« on: July 05, 2009, 08:37:09 AM »
http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf

This is a link to a USDA study done a long time ago  back in the 1980's.Some might think it is outdated but it still has a lot of information since the used factory ammo which is still available today.
20 pages of interesting reading for everyone especially the 357 & 45- 70 guys.
 Read it and post your thoughts. ::)
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Re: Bullet test by Fed Dept of Ag
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2009, 09:07:35 AM »
I wonder how the Barnes TSX would change things ?
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Re: Bullet test by Fed Dept of Ag
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2009, 09:49:54 AM »
Just goes to show that bullet selection for any caliber is paramount.  The 30-06 ranked high with a 220gr. bullet.  The 45-70 ranked low, but was tested with trapdoor loads.  All the test results could change dramatically based on bullet selection, a thing simple to alter for the handloader, where Walmart shoppers often have to take whats in stock............. :'(
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Re: Bullet test by Fed Dept of Ag
« Reply #3 on: July 05, 2009, 10:04:57 AM »
Yeah, too bad the 450 Marlin wasn't around yet in 1983, or you would have seen some 45-70 levergun comparable performance instead of the milk toast trapdoor level of performance.  :-\

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Re: Bullet test by Fed Dept of Ag
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 10:54:08 AM »
They might be low level loads but the 45-70 finished above several of the belted mags (6)!The lowly 7mm x57 also had a higher rating than a 300 win mag (200gr) and the 300 Weatherby  (220 gr)
 A friend of mine that lived and flew in Alaska said that the 45-70 in a Marlin and a 10ga were the two he was never far from. He was a  Bush pilot Doctor that made LONG house calls.He is a good pilot bit I refuse to fly with him again. (He will land  anywhere)
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Re: Bullet test by Fed Dept of Ag
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2009, 11:34:12 AM »
Good read jeepman thank you for posting.
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Re: Bullet test by Fed Dept of Ag
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2009, 05:23:04 PM »
What amazes me the most is that the govornment actually used to research and publish good stuff like this.  Could you imagine the Obama admistration providing any usefull information on guns that did not involve supporting a ban?

It looks like the old 30-06 is still hard to beat after over a century.
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Re: Bullet test by Fed Dept of Ag
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2009, 05:34:03 PM »
All of the info is valid, except that hard cast flat nose in the 45-70 is way more effective than any soft point.Consider  the Brit experience in Africa, large blunt projectiles work for large damgerous game.Of course I could be wrong ::) and I know you guys will let me know how wrong.  ;D      Doug
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Re: Bullet test by Fed Dept of Ag
« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2009, 03:39:29 PM »
Really interesting reading--especially the verbage on 24 inch penetration that is NOT reflected in the tables, and, of course, the nice little notes that if you shoot a brown bear then it belongs to the State of Alaska.  Thanks for posting this link!
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