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Offline subdjoe

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I almost hate to post this,
« on: June 30, 2009, 10:11:10 AM »
I can't tell if she is just young, idealistic, and uninformed, or a true moonbat.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6v45n9w51Q

I can't fault the quote by Stevens.  But he was a moonbat in his own right.
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 11:51:18 AM »
One has only to research the racist remarks made by Lincoln himself to see where the real prejudice lay. Simply do a search on "racist remarks of Abraham Lincoln" and realize that had not Mr. Booth been such a good shot, that this young lady would be making her Internet video from Liberia.
The black man over the last 40+ years has developed the habit of making heroes out of frauds. Lincoln was the first, and although HISTORY PROVES HIS INTENTIONS, with his own words, they have been ignored for over a century, and he is the SAVIOR OF THE BLACK MAN. ::)
Example? Martin Luther King  (actually LEGALLY Michael King. Had he not been shot, he was about to lose his Doctorate. He plagiarized it. The "I have a dream" speech? Plagiarized from a 1950s SERMON by a black minister. And so on.
Then you have Jesse Jackson, whom is nothing more than an INSTIGATOR, as is his cohort in competition, Al Sharpton. Mr. Sharpton just this week RAN TO THE SPOTLIGHT, when when the KING OF CRAP, Michael Jackson died. This man too is reveled as a ICON. ::)
And now, we have the biggest traitor in history Obama for a president.
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2009, 12:01:39 PM »
I think the young lady needs to read alot more before she comes to any conclusion. Lincoln said the same thing about blacks and whites. In point of fact it was a universal given back then that blacks were thought to be inferior, such is not true now, but it was then. As to us fighting to retain slavery, yes, because they were at that time considered property not people.

I'm not trying to excuse slavery but only to put it into context as it was viewed back then.

You beat me to the punch Dee!! ;D ;) How are you my friend?
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 12:32:48 PM »
I am neither dead, nor in jail, although the reaper and I had a rather heated argument about 2 months ago. All seems well now. And you?
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 12:49:28 PM »
You know it makes no difference what you tell folk, nor what you show them, perception is the reality of the observer.
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2009, 12:55:15 PM »
Several people have provided some of Lincolns sound bites about race relations and the relative position of blacks and whites.  I also posted what F. Douglas said about Black Confederates, as well as comments from the head of the US Sanitary Commission bout blacks being soldiers and an integral part of the armies of the CSA.  I also, on one of her vids, posted the link to Southerheritage411 (I think I have that name right).  It is a bit polemic, but much less so than what she says about the Confederacy.

At least the young lady is well spoken, clean, well groomed, and reasonably well educated according to the standards of today and its revisionist history. 
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2009, 01:00:11 PM »
Quote from: subdjoe on June 30, 2009, 12:55:15 PM
At least the young lady is well spoken, clean, well groomed, and reasonably well educated according to the standards of today and its revisionist history. 

And the education aspect is what is grossly at fault. History has been so distorted that it will soon be lost completely. We will be adrift as a country that has forgotten it's history AND CULTURE.
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2009, 01:20:42 PM »
Quote from: Dee on June 30, 2009, 01:00:11 PM
Quote from: subdjoe on June 30, 2009, 12:55:15 PM
At least the young lady is well spoken, clean, well groomed, and reasonably well educated according to the standards of today and its revisionist history. 

And the education aspect is what is grossly at fault. History has been so distorted that it will soon be lost completely. We will be adrift as a country that has forgotten it's history AND CULTURE.

That is one of the big reasons I am a reenactor. I LOVE the school days before events.  We have a chance to talk with some of the kids, and adults, about what really was going on.  Plus they get a kick when we fire the gun at the end of each period.  Unfortunately, we have at the most 20 minutes to get some real history into then, then go over the loading drill an fire the piece.
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 05:55:16 PM »
Joe,
This girl may seem educated to you, but it took me every bit of 10 seconds to realize she has no idea what she's talking about. She has taken an excerpt from a book that she just started reading and has based her entire outlook on the CSA based on an excerpt, not the entire book.

Has she ever looked up the author, Bliss Broyard? Has she read any of her other works? Oh yeah, she doesn't have any! Bliss Broyard is 1/32 black, yet she claims she knows all the strife and troubles blacks have gone through over the years. In fact, the last all black ancestor she has was her 3rd great grandfather, who married a white woman. She is about as black as a sheet of computer paper. Her only other claim to fame was her inclusion in the PBS documentary African American Lives where she touted her black ancestry so she could call herself a "Historian."

No, this girl is only sensationalizing an excerpt she ran across in a book. I have to agree with Dee, that she should learn a lot more before spouting what she sees as gospel.

By the way, HEY DEE! Great to have you back, my friend! You keep giving the reaper hell!  ;D
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 06:51:23 PM »
Gotta agree with SouthernByGrace
However , I'm not going to Judge her too harshly.
Watching her struggle , Reminded me of a few lines in Good Will Hunting when some rich college kid is trying to embarrass Ben Afleck's character in front of some girls in a bar spouting and regurgitated mandatory freshman textbook he just memorized with no real thoughts of his own. 

Matt Dameons character  responds to the idiot by putting him in his place.
Of course that's your contention. you're a first year grad student. You just finished some Marxian historian, Pete Garrison prob'ly, and
so naturally that's what you believe until next month when you get to James Lemon and get convinced that Virginia and Pennsylvania were strongly entrepreneurial and capitalist back in 1740. That'll last until sometime in your second year, then you'll be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood about the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization.

Do you have any thoughts of your own on the subject or were you just gonna plagerize the whole book for me?
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Though her insight is a bit skewed given the source material, at least she is trying to formulate her own thoughts on the excerpt she just read and reach to her own conclusions about what the author just wrote (right or wrong). what she needs to do is live a little longer, read a little more and consdier the source material,  gain some life experiences and a bit more wisdom.

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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 07:25:28 PM »
SBG, I think you missed my disclaimer. I didn't say she was unconditionally well educated.  I said "reasonably well educated according to the standards of today and its revisionist history. "  I have also watched some of her other vids.  I'll stand by what I said.  Within the bounds of the revisionism she has had pounded into her head, plus the cult of victimhood that permiates our society, she does rather well.

What she needs to do, as you pointed out, and as I posted in the comments, is to get to know the real history of America.
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 12:57:42 AM »
Certainly, slavery was the great moral debate of the day.  I find it anathema to Natural law, and to the Rights of Man.  That said, the Civil war wasn't fought for the sole purpose of freeing slaves.  The prevailing political debate of the day was clearly one of State's vs Federal rights of determination.

We lost this political battle, and war, in many ways because we were on the wrong side of a moral issue while being on the right side of a political one.  If the moral issue of the day were, say, preservation of marriage rather than slavery, and the political argument the same, it might be that there wouldn't have ever been a war, or even a need for cecession.
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Re: I almost hate to post this,
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2009, 02:27:33 PM »
Quote from: Dee on June 30, 2009, 12:32:48 PM
I am neither dead, nor in jail, although the reaper and I had a rather heated argument about 2 months ago. All seems well now. And you?

I'm fine also, am most happy you're still among the living!! ;)
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