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Offline kody

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28 gauge slug source
« on: June 28, 2009, 08:38:18 AM »
I want to use 28 gauge slugs and am surprised at the total lack of them. Granted, there aren't a lot of 28s out there. What an opening for an entrepreneur.There are a lot of .410s out there----WHY?   What can they possibly do that the 28 can't do and do a lot better. They can use a mod. choke. Dont see many of those in .410! Their low base gets right down in the .410 park. Their upper end has room for improvement that a 3" version would supply. Their slug would far exceed the .410 performance .The best I could find was an offering by Ballistic Products with round balls. Now is that lazy or just unimaginative? How much effort would it take for Lyman to produce 28 ga. slug dies? I understand that the 28s and .410s are big in Europe. Do they utilize slugs for any of their game? If they do,can someone here get hold of some and see if the idea can take hold.   Ken

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« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2009, 08:57:46 AM »
The 28 gauge typically operates at 1200-1300fps propelling 3/4 ounces of shot.

How hard would it be to swage a 250 to 300 grain 56 caliber miniball or similar projectile to 28 bore?  (0.550 inches).

I agree that the .410 slugs are a bit of a joke and a 55 caliber (or thereabouts) slug from a 28 gauge has some potential.  Doubt that such a round would useful much beyond 100 yards, but a definite improvement over the .410.

Cheers!

ADDED:  If it was possible to cast a minball with its hollow base to enhance stabilization from a smoothbore, I would use pure lead when casting.  I get fairly pure lead from wrecking yards when they salvage old-style battery clamps that attached on top.

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Re: 28 gauge slug source
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 11:27:51 PM »
Yes, the Europeans do use the smaller gauge shotguns alot more than we do, but not for slug hunting.  In Germany there are laws in regards to what calibers/gauges can be used on different game.  The game animals are basically broken down into 2 classes, neiderwild(small game) and hochwild(large game).  Small game consists of all the animals that can be shot with shotguns using birdshot and animals that can be shot with small caliber rifles.  IIRC, the rifle caliber is smaller than 6.5mm and has to produce more than 1000j of energy at 100m. For the larger game a shotgun slug can be used but like the rifle caliber, it has to be larger than 6.5mm in diameter and it has to produce more than 2000j at 200m. IIRC, joules convert to roughly half of ft/lbs when it comes to energy.  So small calibers would need 500ft/lbs of energy at 100m and large calibers would need to have 1000ft/lbs at 200m.  Being that the 28ga slugs are larger than 6.5mm would put it in the size class for large game, but it falls short on energy so it is NOT used at all.

*DISCLAIMER*  My memory is not what it once was.  I may be slightly off with my numbers but not enough to be absolutely wrong about the use of 28ga slugs in Europe. 

Don't get me wrong, I want to find some 28ga slugs for my mother, but can't seem to find any at all.  I wonder if they can be custom loaded like some of the larger all-brass custom 20ga slug cartridges we see on here. Though, it would be quite a costly venture for just a smoothbore slug gun. That is if you don't spend even more to have a custom barrel made.  The German hunting laws are a little different from what we know and expect.  It also has it's problems/quirks.  A long-action 25-06 can't be used on large game because it's diameter is 6.375mm, but a short-action .260Rem (6.5mm) can be used.

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Re: 28 gauge slug source
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 03:50:33 PM »
Thank you Dinny. It doesn't get me to a European slug but it sure saves the time that would have been wasted trying to run them down. So, now it's a matter of casting or swadging. There are no Lyman type casting dies available that I know of. Swadging can be a major expenditure in money and then in time to justify all that money spent. [big dealing]. I have heard that manual swadging can be accomplished with an extended handle mechanical swadge that can produce 12 ga. slugs. If that's true, a 28 ga. slug should be a lot easier. At this pointI have no idea what this idea is going to turn into, but there might be a bunch of guys with the same wish that can cob up a low cost ,low key device that would satisfy their personal needs . Keep in touch,   Ken

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Re: 28 gauge slug source
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2009, 04:51:18 PM »
Howdy,
Check www.ballisticproducts.com. I believe they sell slugs, round-balls, and slug moulds for the 28.

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