Author Topic: kicks like a mule (Read 3734 times)

p5200 · « **on:** June 21, 2009, 04:24:33 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlFlXMHaSVQ for those who haven't seen this, it's pretty funny.

mattl · « **Reply #1 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:26:24 PM »

Funny part is that I know a guy that is 5 foot nothing and 160lbs that is building a rifle in 577 T-rex. Not sure I would want to shoot it.

jro45 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 22, 2009, 01:24:35 AM »

Non of those guys looked like they weighted over 150 LBs. I weight 190 and my lott doesn't do that to me. It has 74 FT LB of recoil.

Halwg · « **Reply #3 on:** June 22, 2009, 03:19:33 AM »

Most of that was a bunch of bull, you could tell the guys were exaggerating the recoil, and if they threw my gun on the ground like that, they'd have a size 13 boot in their butts!

IOWA DON · « **Reply #4 on:** June 22, 2009, 08:49:11 AM »

Funny how the one guy at the end did not seem to have as much problem with it as the rest did. I gotta think that was a fairly expensive rifle they were dropping.

KAYR1 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 22, 2009, 02:50:47 PM »

From the stance and handling techniques, they don't appear to be experienced shooters, either. I'm sure that the rifle is a handful, but, it seems a little exagerrated

45-70.gov · « **Reply #6 on:** June 22, 2009, 03:44:16 PM »

i talked to the man that built THAT rifle

at the shot show in febuary

he said its not really that bad to shoot

but that is his favorite video

because he said

''did you notice my rifle kept on shooting''

kombi1976 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2009, 03:39:56 AM »

Every time I see that movie I think to myself "What sort of idiot would CONTINUE to let dumb mugs drop their rifle when it must've cost a mint?!"

I also rewind the last guy over and over and try and suss out exactly HOW he is different.
Alot of it seems to be the way he grips the fore end.
I currently own a Tikka T3 Lite Stainless in 9.3x62 which you guys don't even rate as a big bore.
Sounds innocuous but it weighs 6.5lbs wringing wet and I've taken a few hits from it including a "Weatherby smile" the first time I took it hunting.
I'm about to buy a Ruger No1 in 450/400 NE 3" but I reckon it's less likely to thump like the Tikka.
It weighs 9 lbs or close enough to and should soak up the recoil better.
How do you guys shoot REALLY big stuff?.
Do you wear gloves for more grip?
Do you lean into the shot and then ride the kick up?
I'm looking for proper tips to make sure I never look like those duffers on the vid.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 26, 2009, 06:07:45 PM »

T. Rex muzzle energy is ABOVE 10,000 ft. lbs. Other than a HumVee I can't think of anything to shoot with it....

SakoDave · « **Reply #9 on:** September 26, 2009, 09:24:17 PM »

Kombi 1976,

I have a few big bores, a 500 Jeffery on an M17, a 450 Ackley on an M17, a 450 NE 3.25" on a Ruger #1 that weighs 8 lbs and various others.
The few things I try to focus on are -
The basic sighting and squeezing the trigger are identical for every calibre, its only after the firing pin falls that things change. What I'm trying to say is don't be scared of a big bore, if you tense up the muscles in your shoulder area, its going to hurt even more. Get a good grip on the rifle without trying to squeeze the oil out of the stock, you need to hang on to them, but a death grip will make things worse as well. I try to keep my forearm hand out as far as is comfortable, the stance you see silhouette shooters using will not work with a big gun. Pull the butt back into your shoulder fairly tightly. When the rifle recoils, go with it, but don't let it take you off balance, let it recoil but control it as well, you will need to learn this to accurately get a quick second shot away. I lean into the rifle a bit, but don't exagerate it, as when the rifle recoils, the motion will need to get you upright first then move you backwards. It's the getting upright bit that can hurt you.

Enjoy your rifles.
DC

Grumulkin · « **Reply #10 on:** September 27, 2009, 02:16:53 AM »

The owner of the rifle, Saeed, is a gunsmith in Dubai with a sense of humor. Three windows in his shooting range area have been broken with this rifle; he then installed bullet proof glass and no more problems with broken windows. The latest videos of this beast in action were done by unsuspecting shooters after the mercury recoil reducer in the buttstock was removed.

And no, I don't believe there is any fakery involved. It might not be so bad with reduced loads but why have a big gun and then just shoot reduced loads in it?

jro45 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 27, 2009, 04:40:08 AM »

I beleave if you are going to have a Big Bore don't be afrad to shoot it. Like my Lott it kicks like a mule on the bench but i still shoot it. standing its not so bad.

kombi1976 · « **Reply #12 on:** September 27, 2009, 04:54:34 AM »

Couple of reasons really.
For me a box of 50 projectiles is $58 Australian.
Ok, so you don't shoot a box a day but that's still pretty pricey.
Also I intend to hunt game that really just don't need a 400gr load with 4000 ftlbs of ME to roll them over.
Reduced loads that pack more like moderate 45-70 power are ample.
If all I hunted was elk or bear or buffalo or wapiti or African game a high powered load makes sense.
But for most applications loading them back a little is practical.
Same reason you don't use 220gr loads in a 30-06 Win all the time if a 150gr pill is just as useful.

Grumulkin · « **Reply #13 on:** September 27, 2009, 05:32:38 AM »

I priced 577 T-Rex cases once. They're $8.80 EACH. That would be $880 per hundred; no bullets, powder, etc. included.

kombi1976 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 27, 2009, 05:45:41 AM »

Well, 450/400 NE 3" Hornady cases are AUD$75 per 20.
That's AUD$375 per 100.
Makes sense to make them last, eh?

jro45 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 28, 2009, 01:05:21 AM »

Yha I would think the brass would be real high For it also and one lb of powder would probably only do 2 rounds.

kombi1976 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 28, 2009, 05:50:53 AM »

I think brass for this is like any other cal.
Ok, so it's expensive, but get 100 cases and look after them and you're set.
As for the powder issue, well, welcome to big bores.

Brithunter · « **Reply #17 on:** September 28, 2009, 11:04:39 AM »

Hi Kombi,

Ahhh just thought I would mention that a .45" is a medium bore

I believe that big bores didn't begin untilit was over 0.50". now .30 cal is a small bore and .22" a miniture bore.

kombi1976 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 29, 2009, 02:54:46 AM »

Thanks for the clarification, BH.
I can always count on you for necessary info.

jro45 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 29, 2009, 03:08:27 AM »

Anything over 40 Caliber is the big bore. Anything over 30 Caliber is medium bore. And anything under 30 Caliber is small bore.

kombi1976 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 29, 2009, 03:42:51 AM »

And here I was thinking .375 and up was big bore!

$:-\$

Brithunter · « **Reply #21 on:** September 29, 2009, 03:47:05 AM »

Ahhhh jro45 ,

Kombi is an Australian and I am English to system I was referring too is the British system and was set out way back when the US was a fledgling and still trying to sort out it's laws. Seeing as how it was the British that colonised Australia it seems more suitable. Of course the NSRA has adopted the bastardised version put forward by yourself as they are the National Smallbore Rifle Association rather than the original Miniture Rifle Association but that's OK as I have no time for the NSRA and their posturing, our NRA ain't much better

I have a copy of Wolfe publishing "Big Bore Rifles and cartridges and they say Big Bore starts at 8mm. So it seems there is no standardisation

.

kombi1976 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 29, 2009, 03:57:49 AM »

I understood your references, Kevin......even though your still living by the 1870 standards.

Ah, well, that's ok.
Cling onto the time when the sun never set on the British Empire.

Brithunter · « **Reply #23 on:** September 29, 2009, 12:32:52 PM »

Living in the 1870's? nooooooooooooooooo not me. I do however think that not all the old ideas have lost their revelance. It's a bit like vintage and veteran in the English language they both have their place and differences. Likewise not all new things have much merit IMHO

As for the British Empire it had it's faults and it had it's good points.

kombi1976 · « **Reply #24 on:** September 30, 2009, 11:55:28 PM »

Humble opinions??
That's not like you, mate!

jro45 · « **Reply #25 on:** October 01, 2009, 01:53:33 AM »

Quote from: Brithunter on September 29, 2009, 03:47:05 AM

Ahhhh jro45 ,

Kombi is an Australian and I am English to system I was referring too is the British system and was set out way back when the US was a fledgling and still trying to sort out it's laws. Seeing as how it was the British that colonised Australia it seems more suitable. Of course the NSRA has adopted the bastardised version put forward by yourself as they are the National Smallbore Rifle Association rather than the original Miniture Rifle Association but that's OK as I have no time for the NSRA and their posturing, our NRA ain't much better

I have a copy of Wolfe publishing "Big Bore Rifles and cartridges and they say Big Bore starts at 8mm. So it seems there is no standardisation .

It seems that each country has its own rules. The rules I stated is good for overseas. Some people concider the 375 H&H a bigbore. I know it has killed lots of big game but it is not a big Bore Rifle.

Brithunter · « **Reply #26 on:** October 01, 2009, 11:59:23 AM »

Quote from: kombi1976 on September 30, 2009, 11:55:28 PM

Humble opinions??
That's not like you, mate!

No certainly not humble ..................... Honest yes.

IMHO = In My Honest Opinion

Not sure I actually do Humble

.

Oh on another subject but keeping with the Martini's ..................... I have decided to sell my AC11 .303. I need the space on my licence and it's not a sporting rifle so the last of my Military rifels will be up for sale.

anweis · « **Reply #27 on:** October 02, 2009, 04:23:40 AM »

Quote from: Brithunter on October 01, 2009, 11:59:23 AM

I need the space on my licence

How much space do they allow? How many can you have in total?

Brithunter · « **Reply #28 on:** October 02, 2009, 07:53:38 AM »

Ahhh that's the million doller question

there is no limit in law but the police who issue the licences have their own ideas and it varies with each county

I have been in dispute with the county I now live in for 4 years since moving here as the Police licensing department make the rules up as they go along. Despite getting expert advice and even having a meeting with the expert and the lisensing officer and her deputy there has been no change. Their stupidity has cost the Police and tax payers thousands of pounds in costs in wasted police hours.

I have a few dozen rifles and this was not a problem in my last county but for some reason it's a major problem witht he idiots here.

heavybullets · « **Reply #29 on:** October 03, 2009, 04:19:25 AM »

Hey Brit
Time to move to where freedom is appreciated.
If a" county official or police officer" in the western US had anything to say about how many firearms I had I'd laugh at him or her and tell them to read the US constitution.
Oh, buy the way the Empire will be most remembered for the creation of Pakistan over the objections of the majority of the people of India and the likewise creation of Israel over the objections of the majority of the people living in the region. Do those sticky situations sound familiar to you? "Long Live the Queen". WE have our share of IDIOTS like Bush but those two blunders of the Empire may be the end of the human race . IMHO