Author Topic: Methods you use while hunting for a 2nd or 3rd quick shot (Read 1795 times)

Barrabruce · « **on:** June 20, 2009, 09:42:11 PM »

Being new to this game of using Handi rifles; I was wondering about the differnt techiques people use to get a 2nd or even 3rd shot off in resonable quick time while hunting if needed.

Both using the extractor models and the ejector models.

I'm trying to figure out a smooth method that may work for me to practice with to get proficiant with these things with out all getting tied up in knots etc.

I'm sure it has been mentioned/worked out before but I can't find anything much.
I'm hoping some smart bugga will come up with something that is soooo...slick that Iv'e haven't even contemplated or dreampt up yet.
Iv'e used break open shotguns for years but with out a scope or with out having to cock a hammer as well.
I'm left handed if that helps any!!!

Barra

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2009, 11:14:41 PM »

A few guys have come up with some fancy ideas for slip on elastic shell holders on the bbl or the forearm or there is the multishell holder for the stock me I mostly carry a couple loose in my jacket pocket and one extra in my hand while still hunting. Kurt

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2009, 11:38:31 PM »

Some carry extra rounds between their index - middle and another between the middle - ring fingers on their off hand for two extra shots. I have mostly single shot rifles and my opportunities are single shot too. Heavy cover, short shots for the most part. I just try to make sure the first shot goes where it is supposed to. I carry a few extra in a pocket that is easy to get to. That is for an extra shot where you need to put a final shot in to finish off a wounded animal, but that does not happen often.

petemi · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2009, 11:45:37 PM »

I just use the stock cartridge holder. I can have a second shot loaded quickly. If I shoot a deer and it runs out of sight, I let it go and wait a half hour to follow up. The only exception is if it is raining or snowing hard, then I follow immediately. So, I really can't recall an instance when I needed an immediate second shot. If I bang flop a deer, or he runs and drops within sight, I just reload as I'm walking over to him. I also always carry a side arm.

Pete

blackpowderbill · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2009, 01:45:57 AM »

Every incedent (at least those I can recall) where I have had to make a follow up shot, with any action type have resulted in a follow up miss. All my hits have been made on the initial shot. Anymore, on those very rear days I get to go out in the wood, I usually grab some sort of single shoot, usually a muzzle loader.

zoner · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2009, 01:56:20 AM »

have to agree with pete re/ a deer you hit but runs off....when we were about 15 my cousin hit a doe and she ran off,found blood and there was snow on the ground,figured we'd find her easy. Took most of the day to catch up to her cuz we pushed her too hard...we'd find blood ewhere she laid down but she kept getting up and movin out in front of us..when we got her we discovered that he had only split a hoof,there wasn't a cup of blood in her when we field dressed her...all we had to do is sit down for half an hour and she woulda bled out and we woulda got her easy

jlwilliams · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2009, 02:04:25 AM »

I keep one in between my fingers in my off hand. I always reload as quickly as practical after the first shot. Usually, when hunting from a blind or stand, the first shot is close and sure but I reload anyway. Often, that means just unloading it again afterwards but that's no big deal.

I did once have one get up after being clearly mortally shot. I had at least nicked his heart. Thumb sised faucet of blood as soon as I hit him. He laid down without running and started to bleed out. After a couple of minutes he tries his legs. Then he's up. Then I put him right back down. A deer can travel miles with a mortal wound. Practice the reload and follow up, cause even a clean shot may need another. You won't get a follow up on a runner if you miss the first with a single shot, but it doesn't hurt to be ready for another shot.

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2009, 02:05:55 AM »

Barra,
I'm a Southpaw as well. Handi's were made for us, or so it seems. I carry extra rounds in my pocket. Sometimes I'll hold one in my right hand as I get ready to shoot but it usually seems to mess things up.

Barrabruce · « **Reply #8 on:** June 21, 2009, 02:21:32 AM »

jlwilliams I'm of the same line of thinking. Always have been.

I've seen a couple of things like that desribed for holding shells but I was wondering more of a sequence of actions best suited to get the round in etc.
Sorry about that I should learn to explain meself a bit more proper.

Ie: let the recoil /muzzle blast keep letting the muzzle up maybe , without correcting it.
let the left thumb push the lever and let the stock hinge downward and letting the barrel drop. letting the shell fall out.

The left hand keeps swinging going down plucking a round out on the way up and placing it into chamber.
Rolling the barrell down and the action up while cocking the action and closing the breech.
Pushing the gun back forward and up to repoint on target.

Something like that maybe!!!

Sortta maybe handi if a make a big 'ol boar a bit more peeved off more than dead enough straight up.
(bit slow on me 'ol pins now and can't scatter or shimmy up a tree like a startled cazell these days

)
If I for unforseen circumstances I miss place the initial shot.
Or the bullet doesn't funtion for some reason like it should. (sunbaked mud etc)

Not that i'd miss mind!!!
But has been known to happen from time to time.And I usually miss well when I do but.

Barra

chipmunk · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:00:00 AM »

Somewhere on youtube there is a promo on a defensive shotgunning video. It shows a clip of the guy reloading a handi very quickly from a stock shellholder. I'll look for it in a minute when I get a chance.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:06:05 AM »

Here's the Pardner with ejector in action, starts about 1:47 from the beginning.

Tim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhgwHQCJwWw

chipmunk · « **Reply #11 on:** June 21, 2009, 08:29:12 AM »

That's the one I was thinking of. Thanks Tim

I would imagine you could work on a similar method for an extractor gun. Pulling the case out with your off hand and then continuing back to grab the next case. I might try it next time I shoot. I will report back after I try. Carrying an extra round in my hand is awkward to me. I eventually drop it every time!

Sourdough · « **Reply #12 on:** June 21, 2009, 09:12:08 AM »

In over 50 years of hunting I have only needed a second shot twice, so it is not a big issue with me. I use Handi's most of the time, and carry extra ammo in either the band around the stock or I use the sling with four loops for cartridges.

If I am shooting Moose or Caribou I don't think about a second shot, I just concentrate on making a good first shot. With bears I do things a little different. I will take an extra shell out and have it in the fingers of my left hand. Following the shot I immediately break open the action and eject the empty. I then load the extra round and close the action, never taking my eyes off the bear.

OOPS Correction: Make that three times now. I forgot about last year when the Nosler Ballistic Tip did not perform as I expected. Perfect neck shot, only the bullet did not reach the spine.

Kal52 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 21, 2009, 02:32:41 PM »

personally I use the wristbands, they are very nice to use, cary 5-6 I think.

sometimes I put them on both wrists just incase in the heat of the moment I can grab with whatever hand is available in that specific instance. that and they dont jingle in my pockets while walking to my stands.

Dave

carbineman · « **Reply #14 on:** June 21, 2009, 04:31:51 PM »

Quote from: Kal52 on June 21, 2009, 02:32:41 PM

personally I use the wristbands, they are very nice to use, cary 5-6 I think.

sometimes I put them on both wrists just incase in the heat of the moment I can grab with whatever hand is available in that specific instance. that and they dont jingle in my pockets while walking to my stands.

Dave

I use the Franks wrist reloader from the TC shop in NH. I put 2 shells in each loop to make them hold even tighter. That way I have four extra shots available quickly if needed.

rickt300 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 21, 2009, 07:31:30 PM »

I have never needed a "quick" second shot. In fact my method is to not shoot if I don't feel the bullet will go where it's supposed to. I use sometimes an autoloader with a scope and a attached light to night hunt but it is to possibly take more than one hog at a time but so far this hasn't happened. Generally once you shoot at a deer or a hog if the first shot isn't good the second will be worse. However I can reload my handi rifle pretty quick, far faster than a muzzleloader. I use a stock sleeve that holds 9 rounds just to make ammo handier.

jmayton · « **Reply #16 on:** June 21, 2009, 08:17:48 PM »

I hunt hogs a lot and use a buttstock shell holder on both my handis. My .223 is an ejector and my wife's .243 is an extractor. I was out with her rifle shortly after we got it. I spotted some hogs a couple of hundred yards off and stalked closer. When I got to about 40 yds I took sow closest to me, reloaded and took another sow running off up the hill away from me, reloaded and took another shot at the group running away to my right toward a tree line but missed, reloaded and fired one more time and think I hit a hog going into the trees, but we never found it because it was getting too dark to track a wounded hog through the brush. It was probably 8-10 seconds total. I would grab the cartridge as my hand went back to the stock to grab the next round. It's not too hard. Not usually necessary with deer, but needed with the hogs.

Barrabruce · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2009, 01:40:23 AM »

Whoo yeah that video link is well woth the watch a few times...
Nice method.
Ive always done it different ..have to try that one out.
Shell holders...I'll have to play a bit and see what works out the most comfortable for me to use.

Iv'e never had much success with holding extra shell in my figures of my off hand...seem to get it fumbled 'n' twisted .
One in the plam of my hand thou is a bit better if I don't drop it.

Thanks fellas for the input and insights!!!
Much appreciated
Barra

Singleshotsam · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2009, 03:38:21 AM »

I always carry 9 on my rifle in holder on the buttstock. They are out of the way but you can grab one if needed. Honestly when I go hunting I go with the mentality that if I go with 9 rounds I should kill 9 animals. Doesn't always work that way but it's a good mentality to have

knight0334 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2009, 07:31:32 AM »

IF I need a quick follow up, I keep a couple cartridges between my fingers of my off hand and a revolver on my hip.

(knocks on wood) So far, I've only ever needed follow up shots for varmint.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #20 on:** June 22, 2009, 12:15:43 PM »

focus on one shot one kill

forget that speed junk

any one just drill 2 or 3 holes in the stock for spare ammo

i have bike inner tubes on some handi barrels for one or 2 rounds

cwlongshot · « **Reply #21 on:** June 22, 2009, 12:25:04 PM »

Quote from: LaOtto222 on June 20, 2009, 11:38:31 PM

Some carry extra rounds between their index - middle and another between the middle - ring fingers on their off hand for two extra shots. I have mostly single shot rifles and my opportunities are single shot too. Heavy cover, short shots for the most part. I just try to make sure the first shot goes where it is supposed to. I carry a few extra in a pocket that is easy to get to. That is for an extra shot where you need to put a final shot in to finish off a wounded animal, but that does not happen often.

This is exactly what I do. Generally (I cannot remember the last time I needed the extra shot.) one shot is all that's needed, unless a shot at a second animal presents itself. Your spot on correct, if you feel it could be necessary, practice, practice, practice!!

I remember a hog hunt once when I needed two shots quickly. I had a 12Ga short barreled handi with peeps and slugs. The hog bluff charged and stopped about ten yards away, turned and walked away. Stopped about 30 yards out, looked over his shoulder and charged again. I didn't think he would stop this time and shot him between the eyes at about 10 feet. A second jumped up from approx 30 yards and charged, I dropped this one on top of the first, just as quick as that. I dont even remember loading. Some friends where in awe of the little handi and my shooting..

CW

45-70.gov · « **Reply #22 on:** June 22, 2009, 03:09:29 PM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on June 22, 2009, 12:25:04 PM

Quote from: LaOtto222 on June 20, 2009, 11:38:31 PM
Some carry extra rounds between their index - middle and another between the middle - ring fingers on their off hand for two extra shots. I have mostly single shot rifles and my opportunities are single shot too. Heavy cover, short shots for the most part. I just try to make sure the first shot goes where it is supposed to. I carry a few extra in a pocket that is easy to get to. That is for an extra shot where you need to put a final shot in to finish off a wounded animal, but that does not happen often.

This is exactly what I do. Generally (I cannot remember the last time I needed the extra shot.) one shot is all that's needed, unless a shot at a second animal presents itself. Your spot on correct, if you feel it could be necessary, practice, practice, practice!!

I remember a hog hunt once when I needed two shots quickly. I had a 12Ga short barreled handi with peeps and slugs. The hog bluff charged and stopped about ten yards away, turned and walked away. Stopped about 30 yards out, looked over his shoulder and charged again. I didn't think he would stop this time and shot him between the eyes at about 10 feet. A second jumped up from approx 30 yards and charged, I dropped this one on top of the first, just as quick as that. I dont even remember loading. Some friends where in awe of the little handi and my shooting..

CW

many more stoies like thae i will be hunting with an ar-10 from now on

ndindy · « **Reply #23 on:** June 22, 2009, 05:40:09 PM »

I've never tried a quick reload with the handi. To be honest even with a bolt action I've only done a quick followup once. First antelope I shot with my '06 took off like lightning. Started at 50 odd yards from me with the 1st shot, 2nd shot at about 75 and he went down. Close examination placed both shots about 1" apart and both through the sweet spot through both lungs, so the 2nd was a waste of a bullet. Don't ask me to do it again, they run FAST :LAUGH: He was going to drop at the same spot regardless. I don't even chamber a 2nd round when I carry my ruger.

A friend of a friend has been "training" with an ex-olympic coach. She teaches that the shot isn't done until you've chambered the next round. I guess I disagree. The work just starts after the hammer falls.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2009, 05:31:04 AM »

CW nice new pic you have up looks like you have lost a little lead since your medical hope you feelin good these days. Kurt

cwlongshot · « **Reply #25 on:** June 23, 2009, 02:30:05 PM »

Quote from: PHATINJUN on June 23, 2009, 05:31:04 AM

CW nice new pic you have up looks like you have lost a little lead since your medical hope you feeling good these days. Kurt

Thanks Kurt!

Yup about 60# now and counting, feel great, lots of energy and well on my way to complete recovery!!

CW

AtlLaw · « **Reply #26 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:20:33 PM »

Quote from: PHATINJUN on June 23, 2009, 05:31:04 AM

CW nice new pic you have up

+ 1 on that Bri!

You look great man! I'll bet you make your cardiologist proud!

Gratuitous On-topic comment: I carried one or 2 rounds between the fingers of my off hand when I felt the need... which wasn't often.

'course now I got to practice more on getting off a quick second shot with my 45-120. $:-\$ Want to be ready for that African buffalo hunt don't cha know!

streak · « **Reply #27 on:** June 23, 2009, 04:37:22 PM »

Quote from: Kal52 on June 21, 2009, 02:32:41 PM

personally I use the wristbands, they are very nice to use, cary 5-6 I think.

sometimes I put them on both wrists just incase in the heat of the moment I can grab with whatever hand is available in that specific instance. that and they dont jingle in my pockets while walking to my stands.

Dave

10-4 on the wristbands!
I ues them and find them to be pretty functional and fast!

wreckhog · « **Reply #28 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:18:25 PM »

I dunno. If you NEED a quick 2nd or 3rd shot, get a different gun. Not going to walk in the woods all day holding 2 extra rounds between my fingers. Wouldn't use a Pardner for skeet either.

Barrabruce · « **Reply #29 on:** June 23, 2009, 06:47:06 PM »

Why?? Iv'e used a single shot .410 full choke for skeet..just for the hell of it and yes...sure surprised me how well I could shoot the damn thing thou !!! may surprise 'yer just what can be done with a .410 single.Not much room for error which should hone your skill level up a bit!!!
Wouldn't compete with it but....

Well I'll stick with this 'ere thing for a bit and no I don't want a auto etc for more fire power..hate the useless damn things.

Watch out widdle piggies here I come!!! with me poor mans merkel and me poor mans baby buffalos. Maybe I'll wear an african sufari hat as well.

In the mean time I'll practice some of things mentioned here. I don't have to carry a hand full of shells all day...just as the opertunity presents itself!!! I usually have plenty of time to hear or see things before I get charged at!!!

cheers
Thanks
all
Barra