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Stevens with or without scope?
« on: June 20, 2009, 09:27:16 AM »
I'm in the market for a new rifle.  Mostly to use for whitetail.  I looked at my local gun shop today and they had new stevens 200s for $285 without scope.  With a bushnell 3x9x40 it was about $50 more.  Which bushnell scope does stevens use, and is it worth the $50 extra bucks or should I get the gun alone and get a scope seperate?

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Re: Stevens with or without scope?
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2009, 09:51:25 AM »
pretty much any of the bushnells will hold a good zero. i have used the lower end ones many times without a problem.

the sportsman and trophy are the lower ones. then there is a trophy in the upper end too i think. the banner is a middle-of-the line one that works very well.

i also like nikko stirling scopes too...a new import. about the same as banner or a bit better. same $130 ish price.

in a light kicking cartridge, i wouldn't worry about a cheaper scope as long as it's not a bottom of the barrel $29 deal. if you bought the rifle then you would have to be the rings and bases and the scope itself...probably $200 or so total. wayyyy cheaper to use the package, unless you intend to use it very hard or take it on safari. lol

go for it, buy the package and shoot happily for many years.

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Re: Stevens with or without scope?
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2009, 04:13:58 PM »
I would get the scope. If you do not like it you can just put it away and have it for a back up then use the  the same base and rings that came with the rifle with the scope you want.

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Re: Stevens with or without scope?
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 10:24:43 AM »
I would slap a Sightron SI 3-9x40 on it.  On the optic zone webpage the Matte version is only $115 plus shipping.  Awesome scope and very dependable.  In my opinion the best value in optics.

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Re: Stevens with or without scope?
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 12:12:19 PM »
Depends on what you have to or want to spend. If you have $450 to spend, buy the rifle bareback and add your own scope and rings, Bushnell Trophy and Burris Zee's would do it. If you have $350 to spend, buy the package.
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Re: Stevens with or without scope?
« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2009, 03:51:57 AM »

   I disagree.  You are buying a very good, well made rifle.  Putting a cheap, low-end scope on it makes no sense.  If Savage is only charging you $50 for the scope, then what do you think they paid for it?  About $25 bucks wholesale, that's what.   You get what you pay for.

  I have had great sucess over the years going to large gunshows, and buying high quality used scopes (Leupolds, older Redfields), for about one-third of what they would cost new.  I have never had a problem with them, ever.   Just look the tubes over really carefully.  It is easy to tell whether a scope has been abused.

   One Leupold I bought later developed an issue (about 2 years later) of the adjustment ring being very hard to turn.  I just mailed it to the Leupold company, and they fixed it and returned it to me FOR FREE about 10 days later.

  If you are looking for a fairly inexpensive scope that is really good, then I would recomment one of the new Weaver Classic K scopes.  I think that they cost about $125.00, and are built like tanks.

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Re: Stevens with or without scope?
« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2009, 04:00:10 AM »

   I disagree.  You are buying a very good, well made rifle.  Putting a cheap, low-end scope on it makes no sense.  If Savage is only charging you $50 for the scope, then what do you think they paid for it?  About $25 bucks wholesale, that's what.   You get what you pay for.

The Stevens is inexpensive, and considered an economy weapon, yet you say it is a very good well made rifle.  Do you also get what you pay for here?

Yet you call the Bushnell cheap and low end because it is $50.

Back to the $285 price on the gun itself, I wonder how much Savage has into that?

No logic here.

Find the retail price on the scope.  If it is cheaper to buy the package, than do it.  If not, buy the rifle and get a scope that tickles your fancy.

Stevens are good rifles.  Bushnells are good scopes.

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Re: Stevens with or without scope?
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2009, 04:10:13 AM »

   I disagree.  You are buying a very good, well made rifle.  Putting a cheap, low-end scope on it makes no sense.  If Savage is only charging you $50 for the scope, then what do you think they paid for it?  About $25 bucks wholesale, that's what.   You get what you pay for.

  I have had great sucess over the years going to large gunshows, and buying high quality used scopes (Leupolds, older Redfields), for about one-third of what they would cost new.  I have never had a problem with them, ever.   Just look the tubes over really carefully.  It is easy to tell whether a scope has been abused.

   One Leupold I bought later developed an issue (about 2 years later) of the adjustment ring being very hard to turn.  I just mailed it to the Leupold company, and they fixed it and returned it to me FOR FREE about 10 days later.

  If you are looking for a fairly inexpensive scope that is really good, then I would recomment one of the new Weaver Classic K scopes.  I think that they cost about $125.00, and are built like tanks.

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The OP doesn't understand that the scope on the package gun is the cheapest one possible and you expect him to go to a gun show and be an optics expert? The Stevens line is made to accomodate a price point, we all know a new trigger and better stock would do wonders for it. The Bushnell Trophy would be a fitting addition to the package.
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Re: Stevens with or without scope?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 09:25:49 PM »
Depends on what you have to or want to spend. If you have $450 to spend, buy the rifle bareback and add your own scope and rings, Bushnell Trophy and Burris Zee's would do it. If you have $350 to spend, buy the package.

I disagree.

If you only have $350.00 to spend now, buy the rifle sans scope and mounts.  If you have more to spend, spend it on a Savage with AccuTrigger or on the Stevens plus the aftermarket trigger of your choice.  If you could manage to save up $350.00 for the rifle, you can probably save up $350.00 again for scope and mounts.  Be patient, set a goal to save for quality, then go out and achieve it.

By saving up an additional $350.00, you'll have a whole host of quality mounting systems and scopes that will provide you with a lifetime of service and deliever 95% or more of the performance of the most expensive stuff on the market.  Sure, you'll be sacraficing a bit in the sense that you might not be able to go out and shoot immediately, but what is the six weeks, six months, or a year spent saving for quality goods against a lifetime of satisfaction and pride of ownership? 

Do it that way, and there will be no "coulda woulda shoulda" involved.  You'll have quality gear that will provide a lifetime of performance and pride of ownership that no "package gun combo" at Chinamart can.

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Re: Stevens with or without scope?
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 10:47:30 PM »

   I disagree.  You are buying a very good, well made rifle.  Putting a cheap, low-end scope on it makes no sense.  If Savage is only charging you $50 for the scope, then what do you think they paid for it?  About $25 bucks wholesale, that's what.   You get what you pay for.

The Stevens is inexpensive, and considered an economy weapon, yet you say it is a very good well made rifle.  Do you also get what you pay for here?

Yet you call the Bushnell cheap and low end because it is $50.

Back to the $285 price on the gun itself, I wonder how much Savage has into that?

No logic here.

Find the retail price on the scope.  If it is cheaper to buy the package, than do it.  If not, buy the rifle and get a scope that tickles your fancy.

Stevens are good rifles.  Bushnells are good scopes.

There is plenty of logic here. 

The Savage 110 and variations on the theme like the Stevens 200 deliver performance that rivals anything else on the market in terms of accuracy, reliability, durability, and ergonomics.  It also has features, advantages, and benefits that more expensive rifles don't have.  Nicholas Brewer designed an accurate, safe, strong action that required minimal tedious hand-fitting to produce, and didn't require highly skilled labor to make.  You can pretty much slap a Savage 110 together and the result from the end user's perspective will leave little to complain about.

In other words, the combination of features, advanatages, and benefits of the Savage 110 and its variations makes it an attractive choice IN SPITE of its low-ball price. 

In contrast, the low-end Bushnell scopes found on "package guns" DO NOT offer performance that rivals more expensive models.  They do not have any features, advantages, or benefits that make them a more attractive choice than any similar product meant to perform the same funtion.  There is nothing notable or novel in their design or construction, nor do they represent any genius of engineering or design.  They're just expensive "action weights," in my view. 

Bushnell do make some very nice scopes.  In fact, I believe that where "bang for the buck" is concerned, some of their models are very, very hard to beat.  I am particularly fond of the 4 X 12 A.O. Sportsman that many Walmarts sell for about $70.00.  I use them on adult spring piston air rifles that are harder on scopes, due to double-snap recoil, than most deer rifles could ever hope to be.  I use them for upland game bird hunting in California, where taking quail, chukar, and turkey with air rifles is legal.  And in this hunting, I use them situations that are more demanding, on average, than what I face when deer hunting.  I'm picking out bluish-grey quail, hiding in the bluish-grey shadow cast by dead blueish-grey desert scrub in the grey light of the pre-dawn, and I need a certain level of light transmission and optical clarity to do that, because I need to a clear picture of the target plus anything that might divert the pellet from hitting it.  I use them in the High Desert, where a hunt might start with a temp of 17 degrees in the morning and rise to 80 or more in the afternoon.  It is a dusty environment, and a rugged one, with rifle and scope getting bounced to hell in the back of my Jeep for mile on end, traveling rough tracks between hunt areas.  They've proven durable, I find the optical quality to be surprisingly and have no complaints.  In fact, I bought a Beeman R-9 Goldfinger that came with a Bushnell Banner 4-12 A.O. that is USELESS in the field because of its optical flare and I replaced it with one of the previously mentioned WallyWorld Sportsmans, which I am totally satisfied with.

So I am not anti-Bushnell.  I use many of their products and think that most provide excellent performance, which in some cases, like their Elite Series scopes, is pretty much world class and equal to anything else out there, regardless of price.

The Steven 200 is a good rifle.  Most Bushnells are good scopes.  Some, however, like those used on "package guns," simply aren't.

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