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Global Warming
« on: June 07, 2009, 10:34:21 AM »
Today's high In Phoenix Arizona 97 degrees,should be 115 and clear. Been cool all of June so far with rain in the high country and clouds down here in the valley. Guess it has to get cooler before it gets hotter. Thinking the global climate stuff has more to do with controlling the people than with true science. Your thoughts? ;)

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2009, 10:46:41 AM »
Hang on before anyone responds. I have to go get a few bags of popcorn and a few sodas before the show starts. :D
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2009, 02:36:16 PM »
Hang on before anyone responds. I have to go get a few bags of popcorn and a few sodas before the show starts. :D

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 02:56:15 PM »
Fluctuations in the earth's climate are nothing new.  There were times in the past when it was warmer, and cooler, than it is now.  These were long before man produced any carbon emissions.

For example, the Vikings colonized Greenland prior to 1300 A.D. and subsisted by farming and some fishing.  Then in the 1300's it started cooling off and before the century was over they got starved out because crops wouldn't grow, the animals couldn't survive, and the waters froze over so they couldn't even fish.

Unfortunately for them they didn't have politicians around to impose higher taxes that surely would have solved all those problems!

I'm sure that when the dimwits in Washington get our taxes raised high enough we won't hear them talking about global warming anymore.

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 06:58:41 PM »
Fluctuations in the earth's climate are nothing new.  There were times in the past when it was warmer, and cooler, than it is now.  These were long before man produced any carbon emissions.

For example, the Vikings colonized Greenland prior to 1300 A.D. and subsisted by farming and some fishing.  Then in the 1300's it started cooling off and before the century was over they got starved out because crops wouldn't grow, the animals couldn't survive, and the waters froze over so they couldn't even fish.

Unfortunately for them they didn't have politicians around to impose higher taxes that surely would have solved all those problems!

I'm sure that when the dimwits in Washington get our taxes raised high enough we won't hear them talking about global warming anymore.

I agree with almost everything you said except I don't think taxes could ever be high enough for their likings, and we won't  stop hearing the global warming garbage until there is a global government.

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2009, 08:53:21 PM »
Global Warming isn't PC; were supposed to use the term Climate Change. That's so when it's acceptable to listen to scientists as opposed to the screen actors guild, we can say with indignance that we have been Concerned the whole time.

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2009, 01:47:48 AM »
Al Gore is a joke as well as his Global Warming bull crap.

The earth has been having climate change from it's beginning.
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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2009, 02:15:44 AM »
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2009, 02:28:23 AM »
The earth is always changing , critters come and go ! man included .
Why should we suffer to prolong life as we know it when the world is always cleanning itself and getting better ?
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2009, 06:16:20 AM »
Doesn't all the NOAA data show the peak temperature was about 1999 and it has been rapidly getting cooler since ?



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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2009, 06:32:10 AM »
QUIET , don't let that get out !
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2009, 06:36:13 AM »
Doesn't all the NOAA data show the peak temperature was about 1999 and it has been rapidly getting cooler since ?


That's why they had to call it "climate change" instead.

Pretty soon, we'll become entangled in this new man made disaster that somehow involves changing day *gasp* into night.

Think of how much money and restrictions that one will entail.......

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2009, 06:53:11 AM »
they have already turned night in to day !
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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2009, 06:56:00 AM »
they have already turned night in to day !

I assume Al Gore took credit for it, and rightfully so.

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2009, 06:56:55 AM »
Naw it was before his time .
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2009, 08:03:51 AM »
Global Warming isn't PC; were supposed to use the term Climate Change. That's so when it's acceptable to listen to scientists as opposed to the screen actors guild, we can say with indignance that we have been Concerned the whole time.

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EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!
It is (CLIMATE CHANGE) now so when the sheeple finally see they have been idiots all along, Then as Teamnelson said,, Gore will BS the sheeple with the line "We have been concerend with (CLIMATE CHANGE ) the whole time!
Gore knows there is no such thing as Global Warming, but he has to do something to suck money from the sheeple's goverment pockets!

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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2009, 08:08:29 AM »
aren't we suppose to welcome change ?
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2009, 08:25:27 AM »
aren't we suppose to welcome change ?

The only thing constant is change ... no guarantees that we can preserve climate anymore than we can preserve government or quality of life. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

Sheep often drown in a flood, screaming, kicking and dragging each other down. Sheepdogs (and wolves) have a much higher survival rate.
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2009, 08:57:58 AM »
aren't we suppose to welcome change ?

The only thing constant is change ... no guarantees that we can preserve climate anymore than we can preserve government or quality of life. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

Sheep often drown in a flood, screaming, kicking and dragging each other down. Sheepdogs (and wolves) have a much higher survival rate.

Forgive the analogy, but the other week when I heard my parents livestock (goats) screaming, and running blindly, and getting caught up in the fences, scattering without logical intent, it seemed that the only two things that were acting with a purpose were me and the coyote.

I'm not sure it welcomed the change.

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2009, 09:53:59 AM »
The same bunch of misfits that were screaming an ice age is coming, back in the 1970's is the same bunch thats saying we are having global warming today.
I can't believe the global warming crowd is that stupid, (well maybe some) it comes down to if they can get enough people to believe thier story. It will be easier for government to tell us how we have to live. 
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2009, 10:16:11 AM »
Today's high In Phoenix Arizona 97 degrees,should be 115 and clear. Been cool all of June so far with rain in the high country and clouds down here in the valley. Guess it has to get cooler before it gets hotter. Thinking the global climate stuff has more to do with controlling the people than with true science. Your thoughts? ;)

Same here in Las Vegas.  We should be in the high 90's for the month of June and this past weekend we barely hit 80 and over the past couple weeks we only hit the low 90's a couple days.  This week they are predicting high 70's to high 80's.  If this global warming doesn't end soon I will need to buy some wool socks and a parka.
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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2009, 11:42:15 AM »
On the radio the other day they did a study of all of the temperature reading sites.  90% of the reading sites were not meeting the criteria and were too close to an artifical heat source such as an exhaust from building heat, or an air conditioner, on tarmac, or left out in the direct sun light.
Want to talk about an inconvienant truth.  How about Bad science.
Another point they use as an indicator is the glacers that are retreating.  Yea they have been melting at the same rate for the last 10,000 years when we had an ice age!
Also they are looking at the polar ice and how ice that was 100 miles from the ocean is now closer.  Well Duh.  It moves south as new ice is made.  The last Ice age was triggered by Panama forming between N and South America and changing the ocean currents.
Get good science and I will believe you.  till then..... Your a quack screaming the sky is falling when it was only an acorn.
The last time the earth warmed it was at the end of the dark ages and it allowed the raising of crops that did not grow in northern europe and made southern europe more fertile allowing for the renisance and a population expansion.
Who is to say that another 2 or 3 degree change in climate will not make it so that areas that were bare as a desert will not now be a rain forrest.  The oil is under the deserts because at one point they were swamps that held huge forrests of life.
Also in the sedimentary rock they have proof that the poles have changed over years based on iron in the dirt.  I do not think man had anything to do with the earlier pole shifts as we were not here yet and when the earth had its last temp increase there were maybe 4-10 million people on earth.

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2009, 06:16:46 PM »
Fluctuations in the earth's climate are nothing new.  There were times in the past when it was warmer, and cooler, than it is now.  These were long before man produced any carbon emissions.

For example, the Vikings colonized Greenland prior to 1300 A.D. and subsisted by farming and some fishing.  Then in the 1300's it started cooling off and before the century was over they got starved out because crops wouldn't grow, the animals couldn't survive, and the waters froze over so they couldn't even fish.

Unfortunately for them they didn't have politicians around to impose higher taxes that surely would have solved all those problems!

I'm sure that when the dimwits in Washington get our taxes raised high enough we won't hear them talking about global warming anymore.

Yea & besides I like the Viking hats, they are a great fashion statement.
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2009, 06:29:20 PM »
Update  It was 92 and cloudy here in Phoenix today.Should be 112 to 115 and clear. This is my 53rd summer here and I have never seen it so cool in June

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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2009, 07:04:26 PM »
The Geophysical Institute here at the University Of Alaska Fairbanks, is the World leader in climate study.  When Al Gore came out with this global warming stuff they scoffed at it saying it was not true.  They were all told to keep their mouths shut or hit the road.  Some of the staff left, the rest got aboard the band wagon so they could get their pet projects funded.  I heard the ones that left got Black Balled.
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« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2009, 07:22:59 AM »
Being in the HVAC business I got to see first hand how the industry was forced into going along . We were made to take classes on the history of the dates when certian meeting took place , when certian chemicals were banned or were to be banned etc. to stay in business you had to commit to memory all this stuff and were tested on it .
I could see people being black balled . The way we handle REF. today is better as many tech's got sick breating vented gas in the old days . Shame their health was considered important before all the PC %^$#@
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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2009, 12:50:07 PM »
**UPDATE** A high of 86 degrees in phoenix today and a chance of showers. The rainfall in Phoenix in June is minus zero. If this is global warming,give me more of it. I love it ;D

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2009, 03:25:56 PM »
Clue: Sunspots and Global Cooling
Posted on May 24, 2008 by chillguy33

Sunspots may be related to Global Cooling (which is dangerous) and Global Warming, which is not.

At least, sunspots always were in the past.

From the Eau Claire Leader Telegram; via ICECAP

    Sunspot cycles may hold key to global warming, cooling
    The 2008 winter was the coldest in 40 years for the upper Midwest, Plains states and most of Canada. Minnesota newspapers report that this year’s opening of the locks to Mississippi barge traffic, delayed by three weeks, was the latest since the modern waterway opened in 1940.

    Eau Claire, where “old-fashioned winters” have been a thing of the past, recorded 43 days of below-zero temperatures, while folks down in Madison shoveled away at a 117-year record snowfall throughout the season, as did many in New England and Canada.

    Rare snowfalls struck Buenos Aires, Capetown, and Sidney during their mid-year winter, while China continually battled blizzards. Even Baghdad experienced measurable snowfall.

    Antarctic pack-ice far exceeded what Captain Cook saw on his 18th century voyage into the Southern Ocean. On the continent itself the miles-thick ice continues to accumulate despite peripheral melting along the Antarctic Peninsula and occasional calving of an ice block. At the opposite pole, flow-ice once again spans the entire Arctic Ocean, and by April it had extended into the Bering Strait, making up for the much heralded melt-back last summer.

    From January 2007 through the end of January 2008, the average global temperature fell by nearly a degree Fahrenheit, based on data obtained by the MET Office in Great Britain and other international temperature monitoring networks.

    What are we to make of this? The recent climate conference held in New York City, sponsored by the Heartland Institute, provides some answers. Several hundreds climatologists in attendance dispelled notions that the global warming debate is over. Most attendees, who readily acknowledge the existence of post-Little Ice Age warming, believe man-made emissions are unlikely to cause major climate change and signed a declaration to that effect.

    Bill Gray, dean of hurricane forecasters, attributed short-term climate change to slow-moving deep ocean currents that result from variation in the salinity of water sinking near the poles and ultimately welling up again along the coast of South America. These fluctuations account for the comings and goings of the familiar El Nino/La Nina cycles and the longer Pacific Decadal Oscillation that stretches over a large area of the eastern Pacific.

    Solar experts highlighted how sunspots, and associated magnetic storms on the Sun’s surface, affect Earth’s weather and climate. The previous (very strong) 11-year sunspot cycle, associated with the recent warmth, ended in 2007, after having peaked in 2002. The new cycle should have already begun, but hasn’t yet.

    In the absence of sunspots, solar flares are minimal. Flares eject massive streams of electrons and protons outward from the Sun. A portion of this stream, called the “solar wind”, bathes our planet producing the aurora and interfering with communications. The solar wind, as it interacts with Earth’s magnetic field, also protects us from the harmful effects of cosmic radiation.

    During periods of weak solar activity – as at present – cosmic rays (high-energy protons originating in interstellar space) penetrate through the troposphere and ionize oxygen and nitrogen molecules. The ions become nucleating sites for water vapor that condenses into clouds. And when sunspots are at a minimum, more clouds form and correspondingly more sunlight is reflected back into space. The enhanced reflectance (albedo) cools the Earth. We all have experienced how quickly the temperature drops when the sun ducks behind a puffy white cloud on a warm, dry afternoon.

    Past cool periods, identified with the late stages of the “Little Ice Age” and with the Maunder and Dalton climate minima, closely correlate with low sunspot numbers (astronomers have kept close tabs on sunspots since Galileo’s time). Some solar-physicists are now saying if the current cycle doesn’t begin to produce spots soon, we can expect a cool-down like the 19th-Century Dalton minimum – or worse. Decades-long cooling in the past brought crop failures to Europe from repeated summer frosts and restricted growing seasons.

    With grain shortages already staring us in the face, we’d be advised to begin thinking about a global cool-down instead of a warming that may or may not continue. We might consider ways to transform semi-desert into arable land and to develop seed with shorter maturing cycles suitable for a sub-boreal grain belt. If cooling should begin in earnest, we will quickly forget global warming as we face the new challenges ahead.

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Re: Global Warming
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2009, 03:44:52 PM »
Good thing al gore has a crisis in north korea to deal with now! Hopefully ying and yang will make everyone forget about global warming, uh uh I meant climate change uh uh

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« Reply #29 on: June 09, 2009, 04:03:09 PM »
Here in Southern MN it has been colder than the that proverbial sayting about a well digger.
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