Tiller the Baby Killer's...Killer

[WylieKy]

I know how most here feel about Tiller the Baby Killer.  That's pretty open and shut for most of us.  What I want to get into is the fate of his killer.  If this man were to face judgment today, how do you think it would turn out?

I'm going to throw this out there.  I am VERY anti-abortion.  I try to avoid thinking about it a whole lot to be honest.  When I think about it those extreme acts suddenly don't seem too extreme.  To put it in perspective, how would you react if there were a warehouse near you where people could bring their unwanted 4 year olds and drown them in a buckett.

Some people feel that abortion is a moral issue.  I disagree.  Moral issues are issues where there is no direct victim other than the individual(s) choosing to participate. Drugs, alcohol, prostituion, gay lifestiles, etc...are moral issues.  Abortion is unique.  If you believe that life begins at conception, or at the 1st heart beat, or at the 1st brain signal then to you abortion is murder.  If you believe that life begins at birth, then to you it is not murder.

Something that everyone needs to keep in mind is that this is a volitile subject and all should consider the perspective of the other.  On one side people believe abortion is killing a child, while on the other the people that they are being forced to give up a right as dear to them as the 2nd Ammendment.

[BBF]

Wylie:
 I can't bring the 2nd and abortion on he same level regardless how I try. One involves the taking of a life the other is a legality that does not involve a life. I wonder how many 2nd supporters also support pro-choice.

[WylieKy]

BBF,
I agree with you 100%.  I just want people to try to be respectful during the discussion and was trying to put it into a perspective that each side would understand.

[LONGTOM]

I think Tillers killer was wrong for what he did.
He may have saved a lot of lives but he is still a murder and should pay for his crime.

Not to try and high jack the thread but lets add this to the pot about abortion.

I don't think a person should be allowed to just have one because they had a night on the town and messed up.
They knew that could happen and should have taken steps to prevent it.

What if it was rape?
I mean really a case of rape!
Why should a woman or younger girl have to go through the pain of carrying a child that was conceived against her will?
This would be something that would change her life forever.
I know some would end up loving that child no matter what but there are those that are not ready for that responsibility and making them go through with the birth may cause them to do lord knows what.

Like I said I am against abortion just for the sake of being able to mess around but there may be times when it would be warranted.

Just a thought.


LONGTOM

[Sourdough]

I agree with LONGTOM.  Well said.

[billy_56081]

If he believes in Jesus Christ as his personal savior and repnts his sins, he will live forever in the Kingdom of God. If not he won't. It's pretty simple if you just open your eyes.

[Matt]

If he believes in Jesus Christ as his personal savior and repnts his sins, he will live forever in the Kingdom of God. If not he won't. It's pretty simple if you just open your eyes.

Well then why would the same not apply to Tiller?

Matt

[alsaqr]

Well then why would the same not apply to Tiller?

+1

Last time I looked murder was against the law.  Abortion is not against the law:  It has been the law of the land since 1973 and it will remain the law of the land far into the future.   

[Matt]

Hey Billy I am still waiting for an answer to my question.... whats a matter... can you not answer this one?


Oh yeah and for an answer on the other thread as well... your not a closet liber are you...?

Matt

[billy_56081]

yes if he had repented beforehe died.

[Matt]

hmm then if he has the same chance as you to get into heaven then why are you so hard on him... after all if God can forgive him and it is his place to judge then why would you not be able to when it is not your place to judge... inquiring minds want to know...

Matt

[williamlayton]

Applying mans logic to this question is the source of the problem of understanding.
Repenting from sins is not the source of salvation.
Repenting from sins is the course Christians take after they have come to faith.
God is the judge, I agree, but if grace and salvation are imputed acts of God, where is the judgement.
Now, are you trying to know if his confession of Christ is honest then you must turn to the source of this final judgement---God. Will God answer? Probably will say "need too know."
Man operates on law and we confuse the law with logic. God gave the law and also gave grace, which is independent of the law and above the law.

Man seems to lack this ability.
Blessings

[Land_Owner]

A better question is why are we wasting precious time on this subject when there are so many deserving others that are demanding our attention?

[Swampman]

Romans 9

21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

[powderman]

If he believes in Jesus Christ as his personal savior and repnts his sins, he will live forever in the Kingdom of God. If not he won't. It's pretty simple if you just open your eyes.

Well then why would the same not apply to Tiller?

Matt

Tillers dead, his chance for repentence died with him. If he did it in his las breath, ok, but I doubt it. 

[Swampman]

Grace extends to all our sin.  Once you come to the realization that Jesus Christ died for your sin, you can't be lost.  Otherwise it would be based on works.