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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2009, 06:08:14 PM »
I have a Ext. Cab 4X4 Chev. with 305,000 miles with no engine work that I use for hunting now (previous sales veh) & a Yukon XL with 168,000, no repairs except water pump. I have been thinking about parking the Yukon & driving the pick-up as a sales veh. again because I can't hurt the value now. Since it is designed to fail I may go for 400,000!  ::)

I did the same with 2 Cad. Fleetwoods, I have 2 of my sons driving those after I put 250,000 plus on each. Yea right, designed to fail!  ;D

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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2009, 02:42:17 AM »
                          People that do not do preventive maintenance on their cars , have cars that fail. Then it is someone else’s fault.
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2009, 02:55:45 AM »
American automobiles are engineered to break down so parts and service will be needed. It’s called planned obsolescence, and auto MFR’s spend millions to design this into the cars and trucks. It gives job security and perpetuates the auto industry. This has been the mind set for US auto companies for decades. This is also what has driven many thousands of Americans to never buy American autos again. Toyota and Honda designs their products to out last their competitors and their strategies have worked. Although Jap vehicles are more expensive up front, the cost of repair, parts, time and inconvenience of American vehicles is what has killed the desire to “buy American.” American Big Business, and Politicians, are killing this country. What happened to the $500 pick-up truck you could buy for your teenager and know it would last him through high school and then some? American autos used to last for ever!
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2009, 03:35:57 AM »
I like Toyota and Ford.

Toyota Tacoma and Ford F150/250.

I own a Tacoma, but would buy an F150 if I were needing a larger truck.

Not really certain on cars as I don't drive one. Wife owns a Chevy Monte Carlo....junk, but I keep fixing it until we are able to afford a used car with moderate mileage.

We don't, won't, or ever will buy a new car/truck.
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2009, 03:32:20 PM »
American automobiles are engineered to break down so parts and service will be needed. It’s called planned obsolescence, and auto MFR’s spend millions to design this into the cars and trucks. It gives job security and perpetuates the auto industry. This has been the mind set for US auto companies for decades. This is also what has driven many thousands of Americans to never buy American autos again. Toyota and Honda designs their products to out last their competitors and their strategies have worked. Although Jap vehicles are more expensive up front, the cost of repair, parts, time and inconvenience of American vehicles is what has killed the desire to “buy American.” American Big Business, and Politicians, are killing this country. What happened to the $500 pick-up truck you could buy for your teenager and know it would last him through high school and then some? American autos used to last for ever!

I guess I should have bought those "plan to fail" vehicles, but messed up somehow!
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2009, 04:01:24 PM »
1998 chevy 4X4   5.7 engine 230,000 miles no rust , whats wrong with that, except the only reason I won't buy another GM is because they are owned by the government now. Same with Chrysler.

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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2009, 04:53:19 PM »
1998 chevy 4X4   5.7 engine 230,000 miles no rust , whats wrong with that, except the only reason I won't buy another GM is because they are owned by the government now. Same with Chrysler.

Same here, I will not buy newer than 2009 GM in the future & as I have proven to everyone who is around me that the big GM with the small blocks do work, add the miles & that does not include a 88 mod Silverado that I put 305,000 on, forgot about that one. I see no evidence that a rice rocket would do better. That leaves Ford, not my personal choice, but Toyota is good but not in my near future.
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2009, 06:05:36 PM »
Ok, I am not so close-minded that I don't realize that there are good American cars/trucks out there;I do trust my fellow GB members. However,with the exception of one excellent Chevy p/u what surrounds me is Dodge's that guzzle gas far to bad,need total front end work after 50,000 miles and Q.control was non-existent. A buddy had a Chevy that,in a car wash, blew paint off like snow. What's up with that? His girlfriend has a '99 Olds with 40,000 miles that cannot be trusted out of town not to mention the A/C quit long ago,it's also losing paint badly;basically it's just a POS. I love the look of a big Ford,Chevy,Dodge p/u but to spend my hard earned 20-30 grand on one-no way in hell.  Kix

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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2009, 08:30:33 AM »
Not much to add about what's already been said, but I will mention that my 1998 Ford Mustang made it to 175,000 miles before I got rid of it in 2006.  It was still technically running, but just needed some TLC.  It had a habit of burning out cooling fans (an electrical problem) that aggravated me.  Replacing them was only about $60-70 but I went through 3 in the last year that I owned it.  It also needed a lot of "standard maintenance" - new shocks, new tires, new brake pads/shoes, battery was old, etc, so rather than do a complete overhaul I sold it cheap to a high school student.  She had some friends work on it and AFAIK she's still driving it.  Before that I had a 1993 Camaro that I got well past 100,000 (I think it was around 125,000) before I totaled it in an accident (I wasn't at fault).  Not only were both of those American cars, but both were particular models that had a reputation for being mechanically troublesome.

My current car that replaced the Mustang is a Hyundai Tiburon (Korean ownership - not sure where it was actually made).  So far so good on that one too - currently around 55,000 miles on it if I remember right.  Aside from wiper blades, a fuse, and oil changes, all I've had to do so far is replace a battery that went bad.  The backlighting on the shifter has also gone out, but that's pretty minor stuff.

While everyone makes a lemon every now and then (and on the flip side sometimes even the worst company will happen to turn out one item that just works better than the rest), and EVERYTHING will need some servicing somewhere between, I think a lot of it boils down to how hard people are on their cars.  I've seen some people that will take a brand new car and just from the way they drive it it will be falling apart a year later, no matter who made it.  One of my cousins when through 4 trucks in a 2 year period once.  He just drove them too hard.

I'm not saying there's no truth to it, or that there isn't a general trend of foreign cars lasting longer. I just think that driver care plays a big role too.

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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2009, 12:50:31 PM »
Us and world consumers are the problem. We don't use things up. We react to advertiseing. Impules buying, fads. Me included. If we all dropped cable/satelite subscriptions the the signal would be brosdcast free and unscrambled in 6 mo or less probably. Broadcaster are getting paid by the advertisers just like in the old days of antenna only broadcast. Satelite broadcast is cheaper too boot. The governmments will keep a satelite up there to watch other governments and us. We are real smart arn't we? eddie
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2009, 01:16:25 AM »
Are the designed to fail or is it they give as much value as the cost allows ?
What would it cost to make a truck that would go say 500000 miles ? The big trucks do it but cost much more .
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #41 on: June 11, 2009, 12:31:38 PM »
Buy a truck, any American truck with a decent sized engine and 3/4 ton, 2 wheel drive, equipment package, and good leather seats.  Keep it clean and in the garage.  Use synthetic oil, tranny fluid, etc.  Keep it serviced!!!!!  Don't eat or drink anything in it but water.  Don't drive thru salt.  Don't wreck it (i.e. no teenagers behind the wheel).  If something breaks, fix it immediately.

You'll get 500k or more.
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #42 on: June 11, 2009, 02:45:06 PM »


  I drive a 2001 Dodge Dakota that is at 185K on it now. I have the V-6 w/ 5 spd tranny. I'm sure I don't give any vehicle the rough conditions that Sourdough does, but I have had to have repairs on this thing. Front brakes rebuilt twice after calipers locked up. Two water pumps.
  On the other hand I also had two Nissan trucks. The first was a 1980 that I put 240K on and got rid of it to get an extended cab when Jr. came along. The 1990 extended cab had 220K on it when I traded for the Dakota because Jr. was outgrowing the back seat of the extended cab. I would hope to keep the Dakota another two years or so but because of the repair bills the wife is already asking what vehicle I'd like to get next.
  Right now I'm undecided but I know it won't be a GM or a Dodge. I told her I was getting to be an old man, maybe I should treat myself to a BMW SUV. She said well lets go look at them. I don't think she has a clue as to how much they cost. Might consider the Yota Cruiser.
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #43 on: June 12, 2009, 01:39:09 AM »
skarke , we eat in um , work out of um , they are abused day to day , but we do use syn's and matain um and go over 150000 and more the longerst 350000
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« Reply #44 on: June 12, 2009, 01:42:28 AM »
I drove Fords only for many years.  I currently own 2 Toyotas.  I wouldn't go back to American made cars.  I can't afford to.
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #45 on: June 12, 2009, 01:58:21 AM »
who makes an American made truck ? OH you mean assy. in America with parts from east egypt and everywhere else . Like yoda's !
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #46 on: June 12, 2009, 02:19:06 AM »
For me it's not where they are made or assembled.  I just need a quality product at a far price.

Another problem for me, is that there are no "American Made" cars that get good gas mileage.
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #47 on: June 12, 2009, 02:51:16 AM »
If the powertrain that I am using now is not tested to the limits, then they never will be, running the miles per year that I have since the 80's & it appears alot more miles than anyone else I have read about on this forum, let alone this thread. To me, I don't need to figure out what works, I have learned through the real thing, experience of my own & those that run 60,000-70,000 miles per year like I do. But it won't matter down the road because I will not buy that proven powertrain from the Government & they will mess it up anyway. It is time for me to start researching Ford trucks & some foreign owned designs, but for business reasons I won't be driving anything that says Toyota or Nissan. But I did see a nice Suzuki P/U, it was merely a Nissan with their emblem on it, I have some options & a year or so to do the research if things continue as now.

This dealership closing deal is making my blood boil, esp. the # of profitable dealerships that are going away.
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« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2009, 03:14:02 AM »
swampman couldn't agree more , yoda's make great light weight trucks but not HD. i have 2 they just can't carry the load , metal is to thin . Chevy is getting the same way . The beds rip where tool boxes and pipe racks attach . Yodas sides aren't as deep . And i would never tow the loads we tow with one .
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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2009, 03:27:10 AM »
Yea guys, I don't mean that we shouldn't use them.  What I mean is that we should maintain them.  Everything under the skin on an american truck is pretty good stuff.  What usually goes first is things suceptible to sun damage (switches, interior, dash, hoses, rubber, etc).  My trucks run GREAT with >150K to almost 200K, and I have no intention of selling them for at least another 100K.  I use mine alot, hard.  But I also do the following:

All vehicles have the crap sprayed off of them, if necessary, at the end of the day.
They stay in the shed when not in use
The interiors stay clean (#1 reason for switch, dash, control failure inside the cab)
All receive regular inspection and maintenance with GOOD fluids.
My Suburban is beat up from sun damage prior to my buying it CHEAP, and runs great, but my '99 Ford F150 looks and runs like new with nearly 200.
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« Reply #50 on: June 12, 2009, 03:28:08 AM »
Ford, Nissan, and Toyota all make great trucks!
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« Reply #51 on: June 12, 2009, 03:28:56 AM »
Skarke I'm with ya ! they will take a beating
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« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2009, 03:38:02 AM »
Yea guys, I don't mean that we shouldn't use them.  What I mean is that we should maintain them.  Everything under the skin on an american truck is pretty good stuff.  What usually goes first is things suceptible to sun damage (switches, interior, dash, hoses, rubber, etc).  My trucks run GREAT with >150K to almost 200K, and I have no intention of selling them for at least another 100K.  I use mine alot, hard.  But I also do the following:

All vehicles have the crap sprayed off of them, if necessary, at the end of the day.
They stay in the shed when not in use
The interiors stay clean (#1 reason for switch, dash, control failure inside the cab)
All receive regular inspection and maintenance with GOOD fluids.
My Suburban is beat up from sun damage prior to my buying it CHEAP, and runs great, but my '99 Ford F150 looks and runs like new with nearly 200.

That all makes good sense. Due to my job, mine are in the sun alot, in factory parking lots in NE AR, just the nature of the beast for me.
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Re: American Cars designed to fail
« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2009, 07:41:39 AM »
I agree with your title in the 80's  I had 2 ford trucks that were breaking down every month at 80K. 300 straight 6 sucks in my opinion. Mine was a weak gas hog piece of junk. I have a 99 Ford 4 wheel drive with a 4.2 V-6 that has 170000 + on it. I have done nothing to the truck but maintenance. It still looks and runs like new. My wife and I also drive GM cars and have since the early 90's We never do anything but maintenance to them and we don't even think of trading till they have 140,000. Full size GM cars get 30 mpg on the highway are comfortable good solid cars.

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« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2009, 07:46:33 AM »
Full size GM cars get 30 mpg on the highway

No they don't.  They don't even get 20 mpg & they are junk.  GM products are the worst of the "American Made" automobiles.  Their own CEO admitted that on CNN.
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« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2009, 08:01:02 AM »
Anyone ever look at Consumer Reports over the last thirty years. I really can't say they are unbiased in thier reports, but also I see no reason they would be.
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