copper fouling

[hoggunner]

I have the remington VTR in 308 and it copper fouls bad and fast. I have about 100+ rounds down the tube and it seems as its not getting any better. the accuracy is good with the 150 grain factory cor-locs but i think it could be better. I have bedded the action but I left the pressure points at the end of the stock. would you remove them to float the barrel or would you bed the barrel also. I would like this gun to be a tack driver and I know it has the potential. I have shot some 5 shot groups that all are touching each other but they could still be smaller. Could the copper foul be the cor- locs.
hoggunner

[SHOOTALL]

I had an XP-100 that would foul bad and fast with anything speer i shot in it .

[Graybeard]

Some barrels just seem to copper foul worse than others. Often a full break in procedure helps with those. I used to do it to all barrels but now seldom do. I do however use JB Bore Paste in conjunction with Barnes CR-10 and the combination gets it out fast and I do believe the JB helps to smooth the barrel and slow down the fouling after continued use.

[diggler1833]

You want accuracy then ditch the cheap hunting ammo (unless you are hunting with it).  There is a reason they make match ammo, and it sucks that you have to shell out so much for it, that's why I reload.  It sounds like your rifle is still shooting pretty good though with the core-lockts.

The stock is a pretty cheap plastic thing too if it is the ventilated forearm one.  You'd be best to swap that out when money is available.  If that isn't an option then take out those pressure points.  I've got a few Remmys and mine are free floated in McMillan stocks where I bedded the first inch and a half past the recoil lug, the rest is free floated.

Try adjusting the trigger down too if you haven't already, I didn't see anything mentioned about it in your post.

Copper fouling SHOULD reduce itself after the barrel has a few hundred rounds through it although it still may foul more badly than others.  Not a real concern if it shoots good.

Good luck.

[nrb]

In several 30 cal rifles, I have tested many handloads using different types, weights, and manufacturers bullets. From these tests, I find that bore copper fouling usually is related to the bullet's maker. I also experienced copper fouling would ruin accuracy for me. I suggest testing different 308 bullets from different manufacturers. Do not forget that once the bore is fouled, the fouling may ruin the following tests.

best,               nrb

[sniperVLS]

Hunting bullets such as Corelokts  turn all my barrels to copper, and as mentioned above, match ammo will solve that problem but it obviously costs more to shoot.

I use the cheap foam found at gander mountain, leave it sit for 20 minutes and the copper comes out pretty good with just that alone. Like Bill, I use JB bore paste as well and after using that for a while, even the hunting ammo that caused problems in all my 700s with copper came to an end 

I mostly shoot Hornady 168 match HP & Amax and Black Hills match when it can be found and I can shoot 60 or more rounds until my accuracy drops off. The cleaner shooting hunting ammo for my rifles is Swift Sciroccos and Nosler Accubonds.

** Another bore cleaner I recently fell in love with is Bore Tech Eliminator. 1 or 2 patches and the barrel is ready to go. I wish I would have tried it years ago 

[Skunk]

** Another bore cleaner I recently fell in love with is Bore Tech Eliminator. 1 or 2 patches and the barrel is ready to go. I wish I would have tried it years ago 

I agree Sniper. I bought the 4oz bottle to try it out and it works very well. Going for the big bottles next. I'm going to use up the rest of the Sweet's 7.62 first though. Ah, praise be, no more complaining from the wife about that awful ammonia smell anymore.

[sniperVLS]

** Another bore cleaner I recently fell in love with is Bore Tech Eliminator. 1 or 2 patches and the barrel is ready to go. I wish I would have tried it years ago 

I agree Sniper. I bought the 4oz bottle to try it out and it works very well. Going for the big bottles next. I'm going to use up the rest of the Sweet's 7.62 first though. Ah, praise be, no more complaining from the wife about that awful ammonia smell anymore.

You just reminded me of the other reason I love the stuff! No odor at all!! I also have the 4oz bottle and time to order more soon. It lasted me a while though, definitely worth the $$.

[diggler1833]

Ha!  You guys need to try Bore Tech Inc. Copper Remover, that stuff smells like concentrated ammonia (if there is such a thing).