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Offline KenSel

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357 Max range for deer
« on: May 15, 2009, 11:06:30 AM »
Well if I ever get everything straightened out and get my gun back from Ilion I'd like to ream it to 357 Max.  I was wondering what kind of ranges I could use this on deer?  I know the Mag is good to about 100 or so yards so would the Max be good to 150 or 200 yards?  The area that I hunt is just a little 3 acre parcel of woods surrounded by a lot of corn fields.  It's great earlier in the year but once the corn is down, the deer rarely get closer than 150 yards to the woods, but they come out in the middle of the downed corn like they're invisible.  So I'm hoping the Max will give me the range to put them down.

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 11:14:16 AM »
KenSel:  I just got started with my 357max.   I getting almost 1900 fps (1894) out of a 180 gr fpgc lead bullet.  That's in the vicinity of 30-30 ballistics.  I would think that 150 yds would be reasonable with an acccurate load.

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2009, 12:45:23 PM »
That will depend entirely on the bullet that you use. 150 yards with good placement should sure be doable but the BC of the available bullets is pretty low. That would not include the Hornady Levolution or whatever they call that bullet if they make one in that caliber. I am a little behind on what calibers they make that bullet for but it is a pointed bullet that is safe for tubular magazines. Not needed in the handi but has a better BC. (ballistic coefficient)
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2009, 03:19:45 PM »
 I feel that 150 is a good limit for this one. I know it will do it a bit farther, but thats what I have other calibers for. Actually for me, this is well under a 100yard caliber. I hunt many small parcels 15-30 acres with many homes and people in vacinity. I like the pistol calibers and the maxi is my favorite.

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2009, 03:58:24 PM »
I get 2000 FPS outta mine with a 180 gr LFNGC hardcast, It would prolly be good to two hundred but I am not 150 yards is very doable thou and I wouldn't hesitate to take a shoot at 150. I'd say with jacketed bullets you could crank it up some more but I like to hunt with bullets I cast. 8)
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2009, 04:17:59 PM »
Quote from: KenSel on May 15, 2009, 11:06:30 AM
Well if I ever get everything straightened out and get my gun back from Ilion I'd like to ream it to 357 Max.  I was wondering what kind of ranges I could use this on deer?  I know the Mag is good to about 100 or so yards so would the Max be good to 150 or 200 yards?  The area that I hunt is just a little 3 acre parcel of woods surrounded by a lot of corn fields.  It's great earlier in the year but once the corn is down, the deer rarely get closer than 150 yards to the woods, but they come out in the middle of the downed corn like they're invisible.  So I'm hoping the Max will give me the range to put them down.

thanks,

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FPS and trajectory have nothing to do with the range that you could successfully use it on deer, Just be sure to use a hardcast bullet in the 200grain range and know where to hold the sights/crosshairs. If YOU can get that bullet to hit the deer I guarantee it will pass through completely, even at 800 yards with a rainbow trajectory!
Today too much hoopla is made over fps, in days past a hunter used the same gun if the shot was 70 feet or 700 yards, get the lead in the animal and it will drop!
This holds true for the 357 mag as well as the max. which is why I never bothered to ream any 357 to max. If one uses hp bullets then I could see some reason for it but when using hardcast, it is a moot point, after the bullet passes through an animal is has done all it can do, the number of broken branches beyond the animal have no impact on its death.
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2009, 04:37:00 PM »
Mine is still in the putting together category.  Just got the barrel back the other day; I should have its frame tomorrow.  I scoped it and dropped it on the 7mm-08s frame, bore sighted it, and bang flopped a milk jug at 35 yards........it never wiggled.  It's been blowing like crazy here, and I'm not wasting ammo until its on its own frame and the wind drops.  I WILL be watching this thread.  I'll be shooting Precision Cartridge 180 gr. SJHPs for now, but, I don't like HPs for deer.

IMHO a .357 at 800 yards is a spent bullet.

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2009, 04:45:37 PM »
I think 150 yards is doable for sure. My max wears a Williams peep sight, so my limit is 75 yards or so. If Im gonna be hunting where longer shots are availible Im using something else. My max has never had a scope on it.
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2009, 09:38:49 PM »
Quote from: petemi on May 15, 2009, 04:37:00 PM
Mine is still in the putting together category.  Just got the barrel back the other day; I should have its frame tomorrow.  I scoped it and dropped it on the 7mm-08s frame, bore sighted it, and bang flopped a milk jug at 35 yards........it never wiggled.  It's been blowing like crazy here, and I'm not wasting ammo until its on its own frame and the wind drops.  I WILL be watching this thread.  I'll be shooting Precision Cartridge 180 gr. SJHPs for now, but, I don't like HPs for deer.

IMHO a .357 at 800 yards is a spent bullet.

Pete
I've never shot anything at 800 yards but 3 years ago I dropped a coyote coming straight at me with a 200gr 357 at 608 yards according to the range finder, the bullet went in high in the chest and exited through his lower left hip, he dropped like he was hit by a train!
That was with a 14" T/C pistol with iron sights, shot #3 connected and that was all she wrote!
A deer at 800 yards would be just as dead! The trick is hitting it at whatever range, the bullet has plenty of power behind it to do the trick ;)
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2009, 05:59:55 AM »
I have no problems hitting at 200 yards, that's a very easy and doable shot for me but I want a bullet cartridge combo that's gonna shoot accurately at that range and do it's job when it gets there, but I'm in Indiana and shotguns, muzzleloaders, and pistol cartridges are my only options.  I'll most likely be using 158 - 180gr. bullets in the Mag and 180 - 200gr. bullets in the Max either JSP or HC.

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2009, 06:10:08 AM »
Here's a great article by one of your neighbors.  ;)

Tim

http://357maximum.com/
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2009, 07:10:10 AM »
Great article! Wish I could get a barrel soon. Made my first trip to that gunshop last week. He's right nice shop for around here. Thanks Tim :)

Ken, You wouldn't be from around New Haven would you?
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2009, 01:17:39 PM »
Tim, that is a good article.  I emailed him to thank him for the information.

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2009, 03:40:10 AM »
Great article with a lot of great info.  That's exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks again Tim; of course you know I gonna tell my wife it's your fault that I need to get my chamber reamed - what's your address so I can send the bill? ;)

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2009, 04:42:35 AM »
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2009, 05:34:49 AM »
Quote from: KenSel on May 17, 2009, 03:40:10 AM
Great article with a lot of great info.  That's exactly what I was looking for.  Thanks again Tim; of course you know I gonna tell my wife it's your fault that I need to get my chamber reamed - what's your address so I can send the bill? ;)

Ken

Good luck Ken, he still hasn't paid my rechamber bill, and I've got his address! :D ;D ;) ;D

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2009, 06:50:41 AM »
I have been getting velocities out of my Max that have exceeded the velocities I get with 35Rem ammo in my 20" Marlin.  Cases just fall out and no cratering of the primer (CCI SRM).  I wouldn't hesitate to go to 200yds with either that bullet or the 180gr Rem bullet.  Caveat--this is with my reamer that was designed for the lyman 358627 215gr swc---more freebore than probably an off the shelf reamer.
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2009, 12:39:06 PM »
Rockrat,
More info on the reamer and mold if you don't mind. I'm just learning about such things and am interested.
Thanks. Eddie    ;D
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2009, 03:47:54 PM »
I would hold it under 200 yards just because the bullet is going to be dropping at a gosh awful amount and a small movement from wherever you ranged it (or a guesstimate was a bit off) and you could end up wounding one easily...the wind will play havoc on those short fat bullets too.
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2009, 05:47:52 AM »
Ty, you're awful good about what you do.  You must have been born with a .45-70 in your hands. ;)  I agree with you whole heartedly.  Someone was posting here a couple of days ago about taking deer with a .357 at 800 yards.  Simply absurd and stupid.  No respect for the animal he's hunting.  Should he hit, I don't think it would have any effect other than pain and suffering.  The other thing is shot placement.....how can you possibly know a bullet is going in the vitals at 800 yards out of a .357........?????? ???

Sorry if I offend anyone.

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2009, 06:43:50 AM »
Quote from: petemi on May 19, 2009, 05:47:52 AM
Sorry if I offend anyone.

I'M OFFENDED!   >:(  YOU OFFEND ME!!   :o  YOU CAN'T JUST GO AROUND OFFENDING PEOPLE!!  THAT'S NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT!!   >:(  I'LL SUE I TELL YOU!!!  I'M A GONNA SUE YOUR A...  :-\

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2009, 06:53:17 AM »
I'll just have to counter sue.  It helps to keep you guys going ;)  You're much appreciated.  Atlaw, shim stock is low, think you can make up for the Blaney Rendevous?

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2009, 11:22:17 AM »
Whats all this nonsence, I think I am offended because your offended that pete offended you, now thats just downright offendable..........

I think I'll go lay down awhile. ;)
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2009, 01:09:12 PM »
Have a good nap, Bob.

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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2009, 03:52:50 PM »
napping offends me...  ;D

at least when I'm trying to figure out if a M-73 clone in 357 Mag. would be sufficient for deer...  :-\ 
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Re: 357 Max range for deer
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2009, 05:25:59 PM »
At risk of being offensive.....

When you understand the capabilities of a cartridge, and what 'you' are capable of, than you don't have to wonder if 'it is enough'. You simply know that it is or it isn't. A cartridge may be more or less capable in your hands than in someone else's hands.

It's not about paper, it's about putting the lead where it needs to go.

The farthest distance that you can put all your shots into the kill zone of your intended target becomes your maximum range. Most of our weapons can exceed what we can do with them.

What my Dad considered my 150yd Whitetail rifle in Maine became a proven 300yd Elk stomper when I got to Wyoming. Sweetwater County became my proving grounds and what an education it was.

Your confidence in "you" will play a big part in the 'is it enough' equation. Your proof will be in the freezer!

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