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An NK .223 becomes my first handi with range report
« on: May 10, 2009, 07:01:33 PM »
I bought the old girl from a friend who had grown tired of her inconsistency.  I had tried to help but soon I realized that all the symptoms were there and the prognosis bleak, my diagnosis... a shot out barrel.  I loaded some shells for him with the bullet seated waaaay out there and told him it would be alright for awhile but he lost interest in the gun and I asked if he would sell her to me.  I shoot higher end rifles and enjoy the accuracy of a custom rifle but I saw the challenge of this little handi and wanted to see if something could be done to save her.

I brought her home and cleaned her up, I mentioned earlier that I enjoyed higher end rifles, I am used to a barrel cleaning up with minimal effort, not this barrel I worked for the better part of a morning trying to get all of the copper out.  I must admit that taking the barrel off made clean up easier. 

While I had the barrel off I determined the rate of twist at 1:12, and droped a bullet down the barrels' chamber side until it found the lands and measured from the base of the bullet to the end of the barrel.  This measurement along with the bullet base to ogive measurement would give me the length of a loaded cartridge from case head to bullet ogive (give or take a few thousanths).  I made a chamber cast, and smoked the latch/ lug to check the lock up even though the actual lockup was tight.  I also used a bore light and a jewlers eyepiece to look at the chamber throat and lands, then I tried to take some pictures so I could show them to you boys.

This picture was taken from the chamber:
Due to the camera lens narrow focal length there is only a small amount of the barrel in focus but the rough inconsistencies were found throughout the length of the barrel.  At this point I understood why the rifle shot so poorly.

This picture shows the chamber cast and 2 bullets seated at different depths one is minimum for a fifty grain bullet, the other is a 69 smk seated to just touch the lands when chambered.  I must note that I only had to barely seat the bullet into the case neck to achieve this.

This picture shows why I couldn't seat a 50 grain bullet and have it touch the lands.  If you look closely at the cast you can see the start of the lands.  I will say that the chamber was cut straight as all rifling started at the same distance from the case neck.

Here is what I learned so far:

With a 1 in 12 twist rate I might be able to stabilize a 55 grain bullet.

The latch was only locking on one side

The barrel looked like a rasp just waiting to deform any bullet that came down the tube

The barrels throat had eroded making it difficult for a bullet to be supported while jumping from case neck to rifling

The fact that the gun was made in 1996 might be an accessary barrel issue with remington

The only thing left to do was shoot the old gal and leave the range with a target that looks like some one shot it with buckshot.

I loaded a 55 gr nosler ballistic tip over 26.1 grains of H4895 with CCI #41 primers at a COL of 2.435 after working up from 24 grains to test for pressure.

I have to admit that I was very surprized at how a worn out workhorse of a rifle, despite all the flaws could still put them in a 2 inch square at 100 yards, one right after the other with no time to cool.                 

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Re: An NK .223 becomes my first handi
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2009, 04:38:09 AM »
Great post!  Do you have any plans to work on her some more?

I just picked up a 223 barrel for mine a couple of weeks ago and I was able to get 1.5" group and my 9 year old shot a 2" group at 100 yards. That was with 40 gr Ficcochi bulllets.  Since then I tried some other various bullets with poorer results, but it was a little windy.......
The first groups were with a black synthetic forearm and bi-pod, the other bullets were shot with a tight fitting wood forearm and bi-pod.  I'm going to go back out and shoot with the synthetic forarm again when I get a chance.

Looking forward to more of your posts!
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Re: An NK .223 becomes my first handi
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2009, 08:27:27 AM »
Thanks Snap for the compliment.  I hope the synthetic forearm unlocks your rifles accuracy potential.  Your question about what other work I could do got me to thinking about my options. 

A barrel replacement, either another 223 or I'm really leaning toward a 357 mag that I could ream to 357 max.

More load development of course, the load I shot yesterday was an old standby of mine.

I would consider reboring the 223 to a 35 caliber for the 357 max conversion if I could find a highly recommended gunsmith to do it for a reasonable price ( probably under 200 bucks).

The barrel I'm talking about is a 24" bull and the forearm looks to be factory bedded.

Then again all rebarreling issues are subject to my pre 99 SB2 frame/pressure issues that I'm not real clear on at the moment.

More pictures later...
 
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Re: An NK .223 becomes my first handi
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2009, 10:12:03 AM »
The only frame pressures you should have to worry about would be pre 1987 or on an SB1.
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Re: An NK .223 becomes my first handi
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2009, 12:11:47 PM »
I read a little something in a recent thread perhaps Illion has made a policy change concerning older SB-2 frames.

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well I called back today and they said that between 96 and 99 they outsourced some of the manufacturing of frames. some of them are made of diffrent metals. They said they are strong enough for the barrel on them but the metal on the new barrels is diffrent it wont work with the outsourced frames. I dont see how the metal on the barrel matters. They will not put any rifle barrel on my frame not even 357 or 44 mag. They had already shipped it back to me when I talked to them.

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