Author Topic: 9mm handi rifle (Read 2255 times)

sachel.45 · « **on:** May 01, 2009, 02:25:12 PM »

so ive got a handi rifle juat kind of sitting and i thought occured to me why not get a 9mm handi i know someone was making a .45 acp handi (msp ret?) so how would i go about doing this? ive got a spare frame i also have a .410/.45lc barrel thats not doing anything thats about as far as i got. is there a gunsmith that does this kindof stuff? i checked in the faq and couldnt find anything. thanks

trotterlg · « **Reply #1 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:21:31 PM »

Look up stub projects or the like, there is a lot of good information. Two ways to go, you can get someone to machine up the stub (cut off chamber end), turn down and thread a 9mm barrel and screw it all together and re-finish it, makes up a nice looking and functional rifle, I have done quite a few, mostly in .17 Cal and in 32-20. Or you can do the job like maglvr44 does it, get a barrel, find a belt sander to get it close to the right size, put the stub in a vice and pound the barrel in with a hammer and then fill the voids with super glue. Add a nail or two and you are all set. Either way will get you a 9mm barrel for a Handi rifle. This is one made up for a door prize for the GB PD shoot.

Larry

fye2k · « **Reply #2 on:** May 01, 2009, 05:57:07 PM »

I am a habitual lurker here. I have a .45/70 with synthetic stocks, a .243 barrel I orded from a list member and haven't been home long enough to fit it, and a 20 guage youth shotgun with wood stocks I bought my son for his birthday.

The original poster wanted to know, among other things, which donor barrel to use for a 9mm handi. Any barrel suggestions? Does that British 303 barrel you've used on other stuff work, of is it the wrong twist/inside diameter?

Thanks,

Bill

Quote from: trotterlg on May 01, 2009, 05:21:31 PM

Look up stub projects or the like, there is a lot of good information. Two ways to go... Larry

trotterlg · « **Reply #3 on:** May 01, 2009, 06:00:50 PM »

The british 303 barrels are good for the .32 projects, he would need to find a 38/9mm barrel to use. My favorite stub to start with is a 20 gauge, but any are usable, just may not be as convient. Larry

myarmor · « **Reply #4 on:** May 01, 2009, 07:43:25 PM »

A 9mm would be a fun little bugger thats for sure. But I would hate to waste a 410/45colt Survivor for it.
None the less it just screams "plinker"... as does most any pistol fired round in a Handi

-Aaron

mechanic · « **Reply #5 on:** May 02, 2009, 02:37:08 PM »

Why go to all the trouble? Just find a 357 barrel and shoot 38's in it? 9mm ammo isn't any cheaper than 38 nowadays and ballistics are similar in a rifle.

Spanky · « **Reply #6 on:** May 02, 2009, 02:59:21 PM »

Quote from: mechanic on May 02, 2009, 02:37:08 PM

Why go to all the trouble?

Just because

A 9mm Handi would be cool.

Spanky

sachel.45 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 02, 2009, 08:38:01 PM »

because i have more 9mm stuff and around here its still cheaper plus its diffrent and i like the 9mm

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2009, 06:40:22 AM »

I think Andy was looking at doing this at one time don't know if it came to be but he did do the 45acp. Kurt

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2009, 09:21:00 AM »

Wouldn't it be a lot cheaper and a lot less of a hassel to find a .35 Whelan barrel and make a chamber adapter for it?

myarmor · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2009, 03:58:14 PM »

Untill/ and or unless Remington makes more H&R 35 Whelen barrels, they are kinda hard to find...at least in my searches. So it's kind of a moot point.

xhare · « **Reply #11 on:** May 03, 2009, 05:45:06 PM »

I have thought for years, and have said so from time to time that 9mm, 45 acp, and 40 s&w barrels would be nice additions to the list. Short 18-20 inch barrels, open signts, and synthetic stocks to go with the inexpensive ammo would be perfect. Offer it with both adult and youth stocks. While they may not sell like hotcakes, I think they would be consistent sellers. Great for teaching kids, bulk ammo is cheap, and loads of fun. I know the 357 mag fills that bill (although the current offering has a scope rail), but why not add to the list.

sachel.45 · « **Reply #12 on:** May 03, 2009, 06:25:09 PM »

thats exactly what id like to do except maybe a 16" barrel and a peep sight i think it would be an awesome rifle and i dont understand why they dont make one already

45-70.gov · « **Reply #13 on:** May 03, 2009, 06:37:39 PM »

i have always thought of a 16 inch in every pistol cartridge

as a companion gun to what ever handgun you carry
a 25 acp even....the 32's......40 snw..380

scoped for accuracy or
red dot for night use

you hand gun has the fire power
leave the accuacy for the handi......why scoped over open sights
no long range proposition just pinpoint accuracy or a signifacant edge over you handgun

i bet you could feed the handi quick out of your pistol mag with practice

jlwilliams · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2009, 02:23:57 AM »

You've hit on one of my pet projects! I have been into pistol caliber carbines for a number of years. They are alot of fun and there is a practicality to 'two guns one box of ammo' no doubt. The Handi is available in a couple of hand gun calibers, but only revolver cartridges for whatever reason. Why they don't offer guns in the auto pistol calibers makes no sense to me. I have a couple of bolt actions (45acp, 9mm) and now I want to get single shots in all my favorite pistol calibers. While it's true enough that a 38 spl is near enough to the 9mm, I have both in handguns so why not get rifles for both. And a few more....

For a 9mm barrel, I am looking for a 20 or a 16g shotgun barrel. That leaves me plenty of room to fit a stub, as well described in the posts alluded to in this thread already. You can get (direct from NEF/H&R) a .223 extractor that will work with fitting on the 9mm case. If you can DIY, you will be in and out of the project for a little money and a bit of time. If you find a smith to do it, you may well pay more for the barrel than you paid for the gun to begin with, but if it's what you want just do it. It's your gun, your money, your choise.

Definitley read the stubbing article in the FAQ. You can decide for yourself if it's a project you want to tackle yourself. Reading what's involved will also help you speak knowlegably with a gunsmith about having work done. You may want to take a partial DIY aproach. Have a gunsmith or machine shop do the lathe work, and you fit it up.

I will make a final warning about stubbing. Be careful to NOT MAKE a short barreled shotgun, EVEN IF ONLY FOR A LITTLE WHILE. If the machinist has the barrel, but the frame is not in his shop while the barrel is cut down, that should be OK. Once the stub is threaded or otherwise bored out so a shotshell won't fit in the stub, you should be OK. You just don't want to cut the barrel down, then leave it to put the 9mm blank into it later. That's a big no-no. Not hard to work within the law, just think ahead with an eye toward staying in bounds.

xhare · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2009, 03:41:17 AM »

Some other thoughts. H&R (Remington) already stocks .452 inch barrels for the 45 colt so it would be easy to put out 45 acp barrels. The 9mm would sell well enough to justify the .356 inch barrels if they weren't happy with just using their .357 barrel blanks. And the 40.s&w would leave open the option of adding the 38-40 to the BC carbine (I believe they use the same nominal diameter anyway). Whats not to like here?!

That said the 22 magnum as offered in the sportster fills the bill as far as my intened use goes. 22 mag ammo is about the same price as 9mm ammo as well. Even so, I would buy a 9mm handi rifle in a minute. Further,the case is short enough and with just enough taper that it might fall out of the chamber with only an extractor.

Rustyinfla · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2009, 11:01:27 AM »

I think it boils down to the fact that Handis just plain work best with rimed cases. Not to say they won't work, they just work better.

petemi · « **Reply #17 on:** May 04, 2009, 11:57:22 AM »

Ya know, you guys keep talking and all of a sudden I've gotta have a .35 Whelen, a .35 Rem., a 9mm, a .44, a .45, etc. etc. Anyone got a clue where this disease ends? Just sent a .357 off for Maximumizing today. (is that even a word???)

Pete

geezer56 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 06, 2009, 12:45:18 PM »

I NEEDED a 30-30 and a 45-70. Wanted a 44 mag and a 357. Now I have 22 of the blasted things, and still need/want about a dozen more. I've found that the best way to deal with temptation is just give in. Saves stress in the long run. It's only money, anyway.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #19 on:** May 06, 2009, 01:25:46 PM »

Yep.

Hodr · « **Reply #20 on:** May 06, 2009, 01:43:55 PM »

Why build a stub into a shotgun when those folks up in Alaska (MCACE) will send a 9mm shotgun insert 10" long for $71. Me personally I want to hang onto my 20 guage breech loader 4 wheeler shotgun as well as have the fun with a 9mm. Is the stub route really that much better?

blindhari

Chilachuck · « **Reply #21 on:** May 06, 2009, 01:54:17 PM »

Blindhari, you have to get him to answer his e-mail before you can do anything like that.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #22 on:** May 06, 2009, 01:54:31 PM »

Good luck getting a hold of MCA, there have been numerous inquiries with them that went unanswered in the last few years. $:-\$

Tim

http://www.mcace.com/shotguninserts.htm

jlwilliams · « **Reply #23 on:** May 07, 2009, 03:08:12 PM »

Quote from: blindhari on May 06, 2009, 01:43:55 PM

Why build a stub into a shotgun when those folks up in Alaska (MCACE) will send a 9mm shotgun insert 10" long for $71. Me personally I want to hang onto my 20 guage breech loader 4 wheeler shotgun as well as have the fun with a 9mm. Is the stub route really that much better?

blindhari

If you would like to go that route, you could get a piece of barrel blank and make (or have made) an insert. It would be less work than doing the whole stub job, and you would have the option of taking the adapter out as you said. You could probably get a local machinist to make you a thousand of them in the time it has taken MCA to NOT return my emails.

lee1954 · « **Reply #24 on:** May 08, 2009, 04:48:39 AM »

I'm rather new here - but I was wondering if someone with a shop / lathe/welder and low work orders could get a" group order" on threaded stubs. say 30 orders and the price around $40 -50 each..I'd like to see a standerd thread for stubs and get barrels say .17 to .35 cal sold unchamberd threaded for the stubs I think I saw the edgectors parts for sale.... gunsmithing requied for assemely
This would alow for a $200 costom complete barrel... less if you had the barrel... more $ for a high quality barrel.
Back to the stub .. If one setup a few jigs or form and make the stub in a few steps, would there be enough intrest to sell a stub and make a profit

? less then a hour per stub.
If someone could do this I would buy at least 2 myself. Maybe three and very possible to make a 9mm ....

Hodr · « **Reply #25 on:** May 08, 2009, 10:59:40 AM »

Found a sight with a guy reporting on a 20 guage/9mm insert. He said yeah it worked but no extractor, had to take a dowel along to back the case out of the barrell. I am still intrested in the concept though. I hope any one who has made a9mm/20 ga insert practical will chime in. Practical also means costing less than a new 357 handi rifle.

blindhari

MrJames680 · « **Reply #26 on:** May 08, 2009, 11:19:12 AM »

I would really really like a .40S&W Handi. I shoot a lot of that caliber. That will be my die set.

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Ya know, you guys keep talking and all of a sudden I've gotta have a .35 Whelen, a .35 Rem., a 9mm, a .44, a .45, etc. etc. Anyone got a clue where this disease ends? Just sent a .357 off for Maximumizing today. (is that even a word???)

There is no end to this affliction. This site has me agitated every time I logon and read. Ya'll are doing some really neat stuff and I just wish that I had the $ to play as well.

I think its "Maximizationating" LOL

troy5775 · « **Reply #27 on:** May 08, 2009, 02:57:08 PM »

Here is a 9mm barrel blank for $27.45 It is 5/8 outside diameter and 17 3/4'' long

http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=584090&chrSuperSKU=&MC=