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Offline williamlayton

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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #120 on: April 25, 2009, 12:49:58 AM »
I read the news released by the Bureau of Investigations.
The said it was illegal--I didn't---they did.
The context was in relationship with a spring hunt.
Perhaps you don't know the law.
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #121 on: April 25, 2009, 04:13:32 PM »
I know the law and have taught them for over 25 years...
Here are the NC Regulations if you want to bone up on them...

http://www.ncwildlife.org/pg02_Regs/2008_09_Hunting_Regs.pdf

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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #122 on: April 25, 2009, 11:23:46 PM »
Then, pray tell, what are we argueing about? The law, in refrence to baiting, clearly states that one cannot bait during a spring hunt.
Now the stand thing I cannot speak too.
It is still clear that there was the attempt to investigate and prevent a law from being broken.
That is his responsibility. It is the landowners responsibility too abide.
Are you saying you doubt the investigation report?
That is something to take up with the authorities. I simply reported what the findings are.
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #123 on: April 26, 2009, 01:50:28 AM »
I dont see the point of the argument either. The warden went on the property by rights for whatever reason he saw fit! The land owner was shot dead. It does not matter why the game warden went there, even if he went there for the purpose of shooting the man, we may never know. Most probably he went there for some infraction he perceived or imagined only he knows, or maybe his informant. By law he can and did go and the landowner is dead.

Now the question and only question should be; WHY ?

And we know diddley about why, only that the Warden says, "self defense". If I was a betting man I'd bet that things just got outa hand just as they do here at times, only these fellers had shootin' irons. Me, I'm waiting for the final investigation report. But you know that prolly wont end the controversy, now will it?
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #124 on: April 26, 2009, 07:17:36 AM »
My understanding of the situation is that the findings of the SBI have not been completed yet and when done, will be passed on to the states attorney for review.  Therefore, the incident remains under investigation.  The Wildlife Commission did release a statement pretty soon after the incident stating that the GW acted in self-defense; but that is not a conclusion that has been corroborated by the SBI's investigation.

If that is accurate - doesn't seem to make sense to speculate or argue.
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #125 on: April 27, 2009, 04:16:56 AM »
TM-7 , the GW could have been on drugs , but don't they test for that , after a shooting ?
Don't know about NC but around here if you are in a blind/stand with a gun you are hunting , or in some parts of Va. watching out for the guys looking for your still .
Now no one has brought this up but - when any LEO approches you and wants to summons/cite you its his duty/job . It is not his job to judge . So if you want to fight your case then wait your day in court and sing to the judge. That is the way it is done here .
If the GW was in any way illegal in his actions then the old man had a case . If the GW was illegal the family has a case now .
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #126 on: April 27, 2009, 09:00:44 AM »
Just off the top of my head ,I  would think that gunnng down a 76 yea old man is illegal. Well it would be if he were not a LEO, that makes him above the law.
 If you think not go to court some time when you are in the right and see you the judge beleaves, you or the LEO. They know who he will belive, and they know they can get away with anything.
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #127 on: April 27, 2009, 09:08:43 AM »
I have been to court and watch criminals released because the LEO made some small mistake . Guess it suits some to convict the LEO with out a trial or any facts . guess its the same brainwashed group that feel Bush was a criminal .
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #128 on: April 27, 2009, 09:21:49 AM »
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Just off the top of my head ,I  would think that gunnng down a 76 yea old man is illegal.


Not if he's pointing a gun at you.   BTW, what difference does his age make?  ::)

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I have been to court and watch criminals released because the LEO made some small mistake . Guess it suits some to convict the LEO with out a trial or any facts . guess its the same brainwashed group that feel Bush was a criminal .


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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #129 on: April 28, 2009, 04:19:10 PM »
Five pages of opinions and not one person has yet to change their mind on this matter. Isn't there somewhere else we can spend our time that will be more constructive? Like talking about the new S&W A/R 15/22. What any awesome squirrel killer! ;D
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #130 on: April 29, 2009, 01:54:04 AM »
topics where we agree don't make a page
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #131 on: April 29, 2009, 02:30:44 AM »
Five pages of opinions and not one person has yet to change their mind on this matter. Isn't there somewhere else we can spend our time that will be more constructive? Like talking about the new S&W A/R 15/22. What any awesome squirrel killer! ;D

One does not have to participate, or even read, if one is bored, or disagrees. ;)
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #132 on: April 29, 2009, 03:32:10 AM »
This is remarkable, someone thinks that in this thread(or any other for that matter) there is going to be some sort of Epiphany and everyone is going to be convinced to change their minds, and we all are gonna sing "cum baya"! Get a grip!  You dont post here or any where in a pot bellied stove type of forum to be convinced of anything or have someone change their opinion. It is purely for entertainment purposes, Due to the fact that everyone thinks his opinion is the "holy grail" of opinions, and they can usually back it up with Bible verse or an article from some wacked out author who actually thinks he can mold opinion. Occasionally I see some information that I did not already know but rarely do I see anything that would change my opinion, since I have already ascertained that mine is absolutely  perfect! I thought I had made an error the other day, but after careful study I realized that I was mistaken!   ;D

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Like talking about the new S&W A/R 15/22.
would make a nice thread and I have an opinion on that too!   ;)
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #133 on: April 29, 2009, 06:12:58 AM »
"One does not have to participate, or even read, if one is bored, or disagrees."


I can't read, I have ADHD, and I agree with everybody. Now can we sing cum baya? ;D
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #134 on: April 29, 2009, 01:07:31 PM »
Recently, a website ran an e-mail forum (a question and answer exchange) where the topic was "Policing the Community." One of the civilian email participants posed the following question:

"I would like to know how it is possible for police officers to continually harass people and get away with it?"

From the "other side" (the LE side) a cool cop with a sense of humor replied:

It is not easy. In California we average one cop for every 2,000 people. About 60% of those cops are on patrol, where we do most of the harassing. One-fifth of that 60% are on duty at any given moment and are available for harassing people. So, one cop is responsible for harassing about 10,000 residents. When you toss in the commercial, business and tourist locations that attract people from other areas, sometimes you have a situation where a single cop is responsible for harassing 20,000 or more people each day.

A ten-hour shift runs 36,000 seconds. This gives a cop one second to harass a person, and three-fourths of a second to eat a donut AND then find a new person to harass. This is not an easy task. Most cops are not up to it, day in and day out. It is just too tiring. What we do is utilize some tools to help us narrow down those people which we harass.

They are as follows:

PHONE: People will call us up and point out things that cause us to focus on a person for special harassment. "My neighbor is beating his wife" is a code phrase we use. Then we come out and give special harassment. Another popular one on a weeknight is, "The kids next door are having a loud party."

CARS: We have special cops assigned to harass people who drive. They like to harass the drivers of fast cars, cars blasting music, cars with expired registration stickers and the like. It is lots of fun when you pick them out of traffic for nothing more obvious than running a red light. Sometimes you get to really heap the harassment on when you find they have drugs in the car, are driving drunk, or they have an outstanding warrant.

RUNNERS: Some people take off running just at the sight of a police officer. Nothing is quite as satisfying as running after them like a beagle on the scent of a bunny. When you catch them you can harass them for hours.

CODES: When you can think of nothing else to do, there are books that give ideas for reasons to harass folks. They are called "Codes" Penal, Vehicle, Health and Safety, Business and Professional Codes, to name a few. They spell out all sorts of things for which you can really mess with people. After you read the code, you can just drive around for a while until you find someone violating one of these listed offenses and harass them. Just last week I saw a guy smash a car window. Well, the code says that is not allowed. That meant I had permission to harass this guy.

It is a pretty cool system that we have set up, and it works pretty well. We seem to have a never-ending supply of folks to harass. And we get away with it. Why? Because the good citizens who pay the tab actually like the fact that we keep the streets safe for them.

Next time you are in my town, give me a single finger wave. That will be a signal that you wish for me to take a little closer look at you, and then maybe I'll find a reason to harass YOU.

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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #135 on: April 29, 2009, 01:21:36 PM »
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #136 on: April 29, 2009, 01:34:14 PM »
Nice post Land owner   ;D
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #137 on: April 29, 2009, 03:20:12 PM »
"One does not have to participate, or even read, if one is bored, or disagrees."


I can't read, I have ADHD, and I agree with everybody. Now can we sing cum baya? ;D

Why don't you sing it and we'll listen? ;)
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #138 on: April 30, 2009, 01:04:24 AM »
Land Owner
I laughed out loud. ;D ;D ;D
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #139 on: April 30, 2009, 02:41:08 AM »
It seems that the leo's on here are all for the leo's, but the rest of us don't seem to be real crazy about them.
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Re: Veteran Wildlife Officer Kills 76 Year Old Turkey Hunter on His Own Land
« Reply #140 on: April 30, 2009, 04:25:11 PM »
A lawless society sounds great. Anarchy and Western Justice. I'm game. As ole Hank once sang, "A Country Boy Can Survive". However, I am not so sure about everybody else.  ;D
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LAND-OWNER , that has to be in the top 10 best post if not # 1
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"One does not have to participate, or even read, if one is bored, or disagrees."


I can't read, I have ADHD, and I agree with everybody. Now can we sing cum baya? ;D

Why don't you sing it and we'll listen? ;)

Keep working at it DEE maybe you can get an argument started about singing. :o
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I can only say I hope the officer can live with himself the rest of his life.
I guess most of them can since they don't have a conscience anyway.

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One of the funniest things about law enforcment is giving a ticket to a loud mouth. Shooting of your mouth guarentees that a LEO won't just give you the warning he was planning on giving as he walked up to you.

99% of criminals were caught because they are stupid.
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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There are some bad officers of the law out there, but some of you fella's must have met more than your fair share.  I've only had personal dealings with one idiot.  We were set up in a field with targets at 100, 200, and 300 yds. and had a half dozen rifles and too many ammo boxes to count, and were shooting off the hood of a truck.  He said he could site us for hunting out of season just for being in the woods with a gun.  My Pop told him to go ahead.  As a matter of fact, Pop pretty much dared him.  He backed down and gave us a 'verbal ' warning.  All the other GW I have met have been curteous, business like and professional.

The guy in this situation may well be one of the bad ones.  If so, I hope he gets justice.  He may actually have felt his life was threatened.  If so I hope he gets justice.  Sometimes man's justice is not just.  We all will face a judge one day however, who will make no mistakes.........
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"One does not have to participate, or even read, if one is bored, or disagrees."


I can't read, I have ADHD, and I agree with everybody. Now can we sing cum baya? ;D

You don't want me to start singing........ Really you don't. ;D
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I didn't think that yall wanted to hear me either, but someone said go ahead.  ;D
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I guess most of them can since they don't have a conscience anyway.

You just keep convincing me that you are not a reasonable person and may just be a fool! That is a statement that is just incomprehensible !
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HUMMMMMM- that IS a rather stupid statement, in the least, and I agree with OS.
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