Author Topic: An ideal survival rifle (Read 14886 times)

45-70.gov · « **Reply #60 on:** August 03, 2009, 04:26:17 AM »

with all this fighting going on to survive

not just hunting gathering and farming.......no time for that

sounds like some long pork reciepies are in order
looks like ya'll expect roving bands to be most plentyfull source of protein
once my insulin is gone i will be on the atkins diet anyway.......all protein no carbs

this is a good threat....i like it

teddy12b · « **Reply #61 on:** August 03, 2009, 07:19:41 AM »

My ideal would be a 10-22 also.

As far as the whole silencer part goes, well I've seen guys at the range who own them legally and it's incredible what a silencer does to a 22LR with standard loads, but especially with subsonic rounds. I don't want to go through all the trouble and hassle of buying one, but they are neat and make target shooting a real pleasure.

MarkNJ · « **Reply #62 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:15:32 PM »

Hi teddy12b, over here, suppressors are legal and becoming more popular. In fact, every gun store has at least one or two factory new suppressed rifles on show. There's a company here that does runs of newly imported rifles, brands like Ruger, Tikka, Savage, Weatherby etc. Other companies do aftermarket suppressor fitting.

Just wondering what the actual laws are regarding suppressor ownership and use in the US.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #63 on:** August 03, 2009, 02:20:58 PM »

suppressor is the same paperwork as a machinegun/ full auto

plus various state laws

teddy12b · « **Reply #64 on:** August 04, 2009, 02:10:46 AM »

I'd love to have a suppressor because it reduces the noise, but also cuts the recoil down significantly also. For me though I just don't want it bad enough to spend the money and go through all the paperwork.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #65 on:** August 04, 2009, 03:25:26 AM »

try some heavy slugs reduced fast burning powder
pistol cartridge in a rifle

not a lond range gun but better than a bow
and almost as quiet

i hardly bother with my suppressor any more
they are illegal to hunt with so use what is legal to practice with

don heath · « **Reply #66 on:** August 04, 2009, 08:07:53 PM »

It is interesting to what extent our ideas are shaped by Government BS. When I was growing up, silencers were impossible to legally own - classed alongside flame throwers and frag hand grenades. Could own full auto, and get concussion grenades...but not a silencer - and shotguns and .22 rifles didn't need a license. Now everything needs a license, even semi auto is 'restricted' but a silencer is fine....

I must say, having used a silencer, and particularly having used them in IPSC matches, there is no going back! I am down to three full auto and two semi auto - and could happily live without the full auto - But dammed if I am going to get rid of them, and no, none of my full/ semi auto's would feature in my selection for a survival firearm.

jlwilliams · « **Reply #67 on:** August 07, 2009, 02:45:25 PM »

Full auto is a fun way to turn ammo into empty brass. Silencers do have the potential of helping you to make a single shot count.

On another board (subguns.com) there is a thread going on about a guy considering making a bolt action or single shot 22lr 'pocket rifle'. For those who don't know, a pocket rifle is a short barreled rifle with a folding stock. His reasoning is that he has registered silencer and wants a compact, easy to have with him on the farm varmint/small game gun. Most current pocket rifles are semi auto, because it's fun. I think his idea may fit well with what is being discussed here. Practical, and he can do it for the price of a 22 rifle plus a tax stamp.

teamnelson · « **Reply #68 on:** August 07, 2009, 03:37:31 PM »

Quote from: don heath on August 04, 2009, 08:07:53 PM

It is interesting to what extent our ideas are shaped by Government BS.

That's a near philosophical statement

So let's all buy milspec arms and munitions since surely they know how to build a strong weapons!

The Hermit · « **Reply #69 on:** August 08, 2009, 04:08:19 PM »

I'm not sure that there is any perfect answer, we should all do what feels right to us. At night, I have an old 12 Ga. pump loaded with buckshot, leaning next to my night stand. Historically, most people dread facing a man with a shotgun.
On a walkabout during the day, I carry a .22 under my jacket. I have practiced with it a lot and anything under 50 yards is mine.
I have noticed that if a person fires only one shot, it is difficult to determine where it came from. Only by the second shot can I determine direction.
I still have my toys with the 30 round .223 mags if needed. Living alone, I probably wouldn't survive an organized group attack, but would extract a heavy price from them.
Also, I would like to know, how did the folks react during the big hurricanes, floods etc. down south? It seems to me that they herded up in big stadiums and such, while waiting for the government to do something. Or did I get the wrong impression?
Nice thread, It helps us think through things.

The Hermit

Duke0313 · « **Reply #70 on:** August 09, 2009, 10:05:34 PM »

If we're talkin' just survival and not necessarily self-defense, it would be hard to beat the H&R Handi Rifle in the 30-06/20ga Combo.

don heath · « **Reply #71 on:** August 12, 2009, 03:20:11 AM »

Self defence is always a key componant of survival...If you want to eat- use a snare, even for feeding a family, or an air rifle. After a lifetime of living amongst 'dangerous' animals, the number of times a (better) firearm would have helped are few. A firearm for signalling is fantastic and has saved many folk a loooong walk. Mostly it is a comfort when you hear a lion grunting around your camp, but it is essential when bad people (who, sadly apear to be the majority of the worlds population) wish you ill.

Duke0313 · « **Reply #72 on:** August 12, 2009, 07:12:49 PM »

Well then, take your Handi Rifle...shoot one guy and club the rest of the crew into submission and take their M1A2 Abrams Tank and that solves all your problems! SHEEESH...do I have to think of everything?

rio grande · « **Reply #73 on:** August 12, 2009, 07:27:52 PM »

Quote from: The Hermit on August 08, 2009, 04:08:19 PM

Also, I would like to know, how did the folks react during the big hurricanes, floods etc. down south? It seems to me that they herded up in big stadiums and such, while waiting for the government to do something. Or did I get the wrong impression?
Nice thread, It helps us think through things.

The Hermit

There were those that herded into stadiums, they got the press but were in a minority (?!).
Most folks 'hunkered down', armed and associated with good neighbors.
Me, I'd have to be dragged to any gov't facility and if they ordered an evacuation, no way, Jose.
I've got food, water and fuel, stoves, etc. I'd be just fine, thanks.
I saw how those freeways turned into parking lots. And during hurricane season here, it's hot as ...well, you know.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #74 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:44:39 AM »

Quote from: rio grande on August 12, 2009, 07:27:52 PM

Quote from: The Hermit on August 08, 2009, 04:08:19 PM
Also, I would like to know, how did the folks react during the big hurricanes, floods etc. down south? It seems to me that they herded up in big stadiums and such, while waiting for the government to do something. Or did I get the wrong impression?
Nice thread, It helps us think through things.

The Hermit
There were those that herded into stadiums, they got the press but were in a minority (?!).
Most folks 'hunkered down', armed and associated with good neighbors.
Me, I'd have to be dragged to any gov't facility and if they ordered an evacuation, no way, Jose.
I've got food, water and fuel, stoves, etc. I'd be just fine, thanks.
I saw how those freeways turned into parking lots. And during hurricane season here, it's hot as ...well, you know.

Yep and those city folk are more likely to be and act like sheeple than the country folk around here. A small pack of people can be very effective. Herds of sheeple are just targets.

burntmuch · « **Reply #75 on:** August 13, 2009, 03:53:49 AM »

Now think about them sheeple herded into the stadium. 2 or 3 weeks with out food or water. They re gonna start wondering around, looking for food. Easy targets for sure, but they will eat up your ammo in a hurry.

teddy12b · « **Reply #76 on:** August 13, 2009, 04:54:41 AM »

Quote from: burntmuch on August 13, 2009, 03:53:49 AM

Now think about them sheeple herded into the stadium. 2 or 3 weeks with out food or water. They re gonna start wondering around, looking for food. Easy targets for sure, but they will eat up your ammo in a hurry.

So if you see people during a crisis wondering around looking for food you're going to consider them easy targets and use up your ammo? Why not let them walk on by. If you & your family get attacked that's one thing, but I don't think we need to talk about using desperate, homeless, starving people as target practice or as something that will eat up your ammo. Maybe I misunderstood that, but those kind of comments are just in poor taste.

We're all going to die someday and I'd rather not have to stand there on my day of judgement and explain I felt it was needed to shoot hungry desperate people. At some point during all of these discusions we need to remember we can be in survival mode and still live with some kind of dignity.

burntmuch · « **Reply #77 on:** August 13, 2009, 05:50:41 AM »

Oh Im sorry I guess Thats what I thought this thread was about. Having a rifle that would get game for the table & stopping those that would steal from me & mine. Or worse. Let them pass.? Absulutley But if they come looking to take. Then yes they are targets. & that will eat up ammo. If Im in a gunfight with someone I dont care if their hungry , poor, rich, just came from the stadium, or 2 doors down. My main objective would be to protect what is mine. Sorry if that offends. I have a wife & 3 kids. Judgement would come every day from them, Also just think of this. What if its a wolf acting like a sheep.

Curt Dawson · « **Reply #78 on:** August 30, 2009, 12:30:41 PM »

The "ultimate survival rifle" does not exist. Power, accuracy and weight are all factors that have to be seriously considered; as well as location, climate, your physical health, societal/political considerations and ammo availabilty. At the end of the day its a roll of the dice. Some of us will win and others of us in spite of our best preperations and efforts will not survive. Best of luck to all.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #79 on:** August 30, 2009, 02:56:04 PM »

ideal?

what ever you deer hunt with
if not why??

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #80 on:** August 31, 2009, 08:30:54 AM »

if you depend on your rifle getting you thru ya might be disappointed . Your use of it and your skill is what wins the day .
So what is ideal to you and your way of dealing with survival ? Your deer gun sounds good for starts .

jbtazgrabber · « **Reply #81 on:** September 01, 2009, 11:08:31 AM »

the best one gun i can think of is a nef single shot in 30 reece......ok a 38 special necked to 30 cal...load with 130 gr jacket bullet its a quick 1900 fps.....good for 100 yds all day long...mybe 200 with practice.....load with shotgun powder and cast bullet good 4 100 yds and big enough 4 most 4 legged critter and all 2 legged.........its quiet as a22lr...........get 1000 shots per pound of powder....38 brass cheap and light to carry a 1000 rds in a big pocket.........ive shot singlesat 2 deer my buddy asked what i was shooting my wheel gun at .........he had to see the brass brfore he belived i was shooting my single shot 2 deer 4 shoots.........ok i shot a tree and missed once...but i got both and that makes me the winner.......and i dont think i could be shot with any of my own ammo if i lost out of my pocket...lead bullets you can eat right up to the bullrt...jacket if you need more power and range.........one gun 2 bullets................jb

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #82 on:** September 02, 2009, 02:44:30 AM »

would that same rifle be good for bear ? for attakers that come in groups ?

billy_56081 · « **Reply #83 on:** September 02, 2009, 02:54:16 AM »

I have to say the ideal survival rifle would be a smooth bore 12 guage shotgun with rifle sights. Useful on game both big and small and self defence.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #84 on:** September 02, 2009, 03:25:01 AM »

add screw in chokes and it would be the ultimate gun

jlwilliams · « **Reply #85 on:** October 26, 2009, 12:12:03 PM »

I'm into a project that relates to this thread.

Earlier in the thread, the use of pellet guns as a stock pot filler came up. While there is no "perfect one rifle", the airgun has some advantages. Big one being that you can have a pellet gun in the woods where and when a real firearm would be a crime. Real likely survival scenario being 'lost or hurt in the woods', not as exciting as TEOTWAWKI but WAY more likely. Being stuck out for a day or two would go better with a belly full of tweety bird than a belly full of nothing. On the same train of thought, an airgun doesn't require the same paperworkand hassles of a silenced 22, likewise no barrel length issues.

This is where my project comes up. I promised to get to it eventually, and here we are.

I'm making an adapter to put a folding stock (made for the Tipman 98 paintball gun) onto a Crosman 1377 "American Classic" air pistol. They are kind of big as pistols go, but they are also pretty powerful pellet guns. There are tons of modifications and custom tricks you can do on the Crosman guns for power, accuracy or just for personal taste. There is a guy who makes a similar adapter http://muzzlemack.com/13xxItems.aspx Mine will be different but this gives you an idea of what I'm doing. His is straight from the back, mine has an offset so I can use the original sights better.

The idea of the end goal is a pellet gun that can fold up and go into a backpack, even a small daypack. That way it can go out for a day hike. Maybe do a little plinking, which would be a HUGE no-no with a (GASP!) real gun around here. If I find myself with a broken leg waiting a day or more for someone to come get me out of there, I can eat squirrels and birds. Even if I don't need it, it's still a fun thing.

Beeman used to make a pistol with an MP-40 like fold under stock. This got my mind working when I ran across it in a book. It just makes great sense. Small enough to take with you, accurate and powerful enough for small critters up close, and legaly inocuous. It's not a SBR with a silencer, it's a pellet gun. Great thing about pellet guns, they are generaly not a problem unless you use them in an illegal way. Guns should be that way too, but that's just not the way it is today.

Anyway, sorry if this is dragging up a dead horse and kicking it again, but while I was working on this thread popped to mind. While far from an ideal survival rifle, a compact pellet gun with a stock could be a great thing to have around. Any good pellet pistol could get a shoulder stock on it. When I'm done with this I may well do it with a better quality gun. As is I'm going to be into this project for near but less than a hundred bucks. That's not bad for a fishing, hiking plinker.

jamaldog87 · « **Reply #86 on:** November 03, 2009, 12:22:09 PM »

what about a slingsshot like the marksman kind for small game? You can always find ammo(rocks, anything round), I used my for hunting and my bands used to last about 75-150days sometimes and i killed manys coons and rabbit with it. For me i would choose a handgun/rifle mix. I would carry a M1carbine and a 44mag or glock 40S&W in my sholder holster or a cowboy rig. There no bears in FL so i just need anti-human /hogs gun.

For me i think what would i do in a zombie/left 4 dead pandemic. Left 4 dead is Set during the aftermath of an apocalyptic pandemic, the game pits its four protagonists—dubbed the "Survivors"—against hordes of the infected. you play through the levels fighting off the infected—living humans who have been infected with a rabies-like virus that causes psychosis, to which the survivors are immune. Now if i had to fight off something like that what guns would work best? that how i plan, yes it just a game but it got me thinking about what works and what i could do.

sachel.45 · « **Reply #87 on:** November 04, 2009, 07:49:43 PM »

i like the 12 gauge shotgun route remington makes an fixed IC barrel with rifle site that should be a preety good all arounder of course you could get one of the short barrels with sights that uses choke tubes and just put in a rifled choke tube and leave it at that kinda like a modern day paradox gun your patterns might be a little patchy but should still be useable plus slugs should be more accurate (in theroy) might build a remington 870 one of these days just to try it out.

IDMoose · « **Reply #88 on:** November 10, 2009, 03:36:13 PM »

After reading part of this post and thinking about it, I’d go with a 223. I’m into reloading and casting my own boolits. When I think of survival I’m thinking the worst of things that can happen in life. You can get ammo in most any back country store or the small town 5 and dime. For someone that reloads they can reload it light or as hot as they need it to be. With the long barrel I can load it with 7 grains of my favorite powder and push a 60 grain cast boolit 1900fps (this being my favorite sound dog load as it is very quit when to shoot) and be quit. Or change the powder and push the same boolit 2400 fps and take deer or elk. Don’t get me wrong as I like the little 22, it just that right now in my neck of the woods 22 are very hard to get and most places can’t keep them on the shelf.

IDMoose

Swampman · « **Reply #89 on:** November 10, 2009, 03:41:56 PM »

The 20 gauge will keep you fat. The .223 is useless for small game and inadequate for big game.