Author Topic: The day the Constitution died! (Read 2456 times)

Ga.windbreak · « **on:** February 22, 2009, 06:57:37 PM »

Abe Lincoln, with 180,000 solders to back him up, killed the Constitution of these United States first in Oct. of '61 and again in Sept. of '62. There by opening the door for any American to be thrown into a military stockade without a trial or legal council.

First:
The habeas corpus files dealing with illegal enlistments in the military relate primarily to Civil War underage enlistment cases occurring in September and October 1861. There are no files after these two months because on October 23, 1861, President Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus in the District of Columbia as it related to military affairs

Second:
That the writ of habeas corpus is suspended in respect to all persons arrested, or who are now, or hereafter during the rebellion shall be, imprisoned in any fort, camp, arsenal, military prisons, or other place of confinement, by any military authority, or by the sentence of any court-martial or military commission.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed. Done at the City of Washington, this Twenty-fourth day of September, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-two, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty-seventh.

ABRAHAM LINCOLN. By the President.

This is an act, that by Constitutional law, can only be carried out by the Congress of the United States or in the states by the State Supreme Court. So on the 24th of September 1862, 86 years after we became a Nation of laws we died, and we now have majority rule.

Now, of course, The Head of Homeland Security can and will supend it at his leasure. The very day that the D of HS supends the writ we will be an anarchy.

Truly the crazies have taken over the asylum!

Ga.windbreak · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2009, 09:22:45 AM »

I am amazed that no one is argueing that Lincoln had the power and Constitional right to suspend the Writ. My hat is off to you all , both north and South, for your understanding of the law.

If thats the case then there must be no arguement that Secession is, was, and shall be legal, right? Thank you.

Also that the 13th and/or the 14th Amendments are, in fact, illegal!

WOW

Ga.windbreak · « **Reply #2 on:** March 26, 2009, 03:39:16 PM »

While researching for something else I came across this site. You might want to read the disclaimer never the less that doesn't negate the truth does it.

http://usa-the-republic.com/revenue/true_history/Chap8.html

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THE CIVIL WAR 1861-1865. In 1861, due to this war, seven Southern states walked out of Congress on March 27. This left Congress without a quorum to conduct the nation's business, so the only lawful power left was the President. President Lincoln declared a state of war and exercised his powers as Commander in Chief, to institute martial law under a state of emergency. Congress was NEVER legally reconvened under the Constitution. Lincoln ordered Congress to reconvene under his military authority as Commander in Chief (not as President), therefore Congress still sits today under military authority, by order of the President. This was accomplished through the Lieber Laws of 1863.Lincoln also funded the war entirely by issuing war bonds, T-Bills, etc, which essentially put the United States government into bankruptcy in 1863. One of the funding schemes used was the so called 1040 Bonds. These bonds were to run not less than 10 years nor more than 40 years at 7.13% interest. To collect the interest on these 1040 Bonds, a form 1040 was used by the government. By 1864, the value of these bonds had dropped to 39 cents on the dollar.

In 1861, to collect the interest on those 1040 bonds, Congress created the Bureau of Internal Revenue.

This is OT but interesting none the less and you REALLY need to read it:
http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html

Oldshooter · « **Reply #3 on:** March 26, 2009, 04:20:03 PM »

The part of that that intrigues me is the internal revenue thing! It wasnt that war that I was told it was started for.

Also.

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When a state accepts federal subsidies (free lunches), it also accepts exclusive federal legislation and regulation connected with those subsidies. Does the state at that time waive its sovereign status? It appears so. The state is now federal territory, and the transfer of legislative power from the state to the federal government creates the effect that the laws no longer have an obligatory force, without notice! And any laws of the state are superseded by federal laws. That is why all state laws are almost carbon copies of the federal laws. They ARE federal laws!

SouthernByGrace · « **Reply #4 on:** March 26, 2009, 04:50:36 PM »

Quote from: Ga.windbreak on March 02, 2009, 09:22:45 AM

If that's the case then there must be no argument that Secession is, was, and shall be legal, right? Thank you.

Also that the 13th and/or the 14th Amendments are, in fact, illegal!

Great points, Gw...
My points EXACTLY!!

I think I've done a pretty fair job of proving all three of these points in separate posts. And without a single shred to the contrary from anybody. So, the readers either agree with us, or they are busy as heck trying to dig up the dirt they'll never find to prove us wrong...

That's because... it does not exist...

I have to agree with the part about the Dept. of Homeland Security, also. Just as much of Lincoln's behavior towards the Constitution was illegal, it is now the same with today's Fed. Gov't. The Homeland Security Act completely NULLIFIES the entire Constitution! It is actually FORBIDDEN by the Constitution! But the Fed just seems to ignore this FACT.
I guess they are still learnin' from the pro (how to further destroy the Constitution).

I wonder how many folks know about the 1040 business and how all that got started.

I'll bet it's very few.

Good thread, Gw.

SBG
DEO VINDICE

Gary G · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2009, 05:01:06 PM »

You guys are really good detectives. Thank you for the informative posts.
I apologize that I am being off topic here, but I went to the site you posted GW, and read the research article on the Secrets of the Federal Reserve. It's surprising just how crooked our politicians in Washington have been. We the people have been sold out. That is a long article and I have read about half, but the bankers control our destiny and it makes me wonder more about the bailouts (I was already suspicious). It seems to me that all America will go to hell before the major banks fail, if the powers that be prevail.
Sorry, I had to rant. Lincoln sold us out for power, then Wilson and FDR (both socialists), Bush and now Obama.

SouthernByGrace · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2009, 06:50:34 PM »

Hey GaryG,
I'm gonna be a little OT myself but I have got to add to what you posted...
Bear with me on this one. You will be AMAZED!!!

Most people have NO IDEA that the "Federal Reserve" has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the Federal Government! It IS NOT a Federal agency, it IS a PRIVATE COMPANY !!! It was conceived on Jekyll Island, Georgia in 1913 by John D. Rockefeller and others in an effort to control the stock market, and it played a huge roll in the crash of '29. The basics of the Federal Reserve is this; they loan the Gov't. money, on interest, and therefor, that is ALL the money there is. So where does the money come from to pay the interest? You guessed it, from the Federal Reserve. They "loan" it to the Gov't. (on interest as well) and all they do is print more "money". It has absolutely NO backing, whatsoever. It is essentially worthless. The Federal Reserve literally has a perpetual system set up with the U.S. Gov't., whereby it is impossible for the Gov't. to EVER get out of debt with them. That is the intention, to make those rich b@$t@rd$ ever richer.

Watch these links (in order) to learn more. They are about 9 or 10 minutes each. Keep your blood pressure pills handy. You will need them...

And if you have nerve pills, keep them handy, too. When you watch these videos, you will know EXACTLY why the U.S. is in the financial trouble we are now experiencing, and WHO CAUSED IT !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ&feature=PlayList&p=299B51BE14237987&index=0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A&feature=PlayList&p=299B51BE14237987&index=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUrib_Gh0Y&feature=PlayList&p=299B51BE14237987&index=2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BVNN1wqw3k&feature=PlayList&p=299B51BE14237987&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPFgHF9VR4&feature=PlayList&p=299B51BE14237987&index=4

And GaryG, thanks for the compliment.
We might just have to go to another topic on this one... It's good enough to be a topic in its own right.

SBG

Arier Blut · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2009, 08:02:38 PM »

Very good information guys. What is intriguing to me is the fact that the Original constitution was to create a free society and prevent a tyrannical government. The Constitution in it's current form seems to be a method to control the people and make the government more powerful. I have read over quite a few discussions in this forum and it seems many of the topics are applicable to current events. This is extremely sad in that it seems we are regressing as a nation.

Ga.windbreak · « **Reply #8 on:** March 28, 2009, 12:27:21 AM »

Quote from: Arier Blut on March 27, 2009, 08:02:38 PM

Very good information guys. What is intriguing to me is the fact that the Original constitution was to create a free society and prevent a tyrannical government. The Constitution in it's current form seems to be a method to control the people and make the government more powerful. I have read over quite a few discussions in this forum and it seems many of the topics are applicable to current events. This is extremely sad in that it seems we are regressing as a nation.

Arier Blut, sorry but I respectfully disagree, Its the very same Constitution but most people don't really know it and IMHO don't really care. The checks and balances that should work don't because people have allowed the Federal government to trample on it. Even the court has let us "We the People" down by not doing its job.

IMHO everytime someone steps accross the line and We the People don't react we lose that much more freedom.

And as for opening this post up to all comments conserning the Constitution, I'm all for it. It is my opinion that we truly started down this path because of the way Lincoln was allowed to bypass the Constitution and in the insuing years with his mardyrdom all of his illegal acts were/are swept under the rug and with the Government set to make sure it survives any/all calamities "We the People" will be left out in the cold. The signs are all there for anyone to see, just look at how the people of NO were treated after Katrina; paid Mrecs "Blackwater" and others dragging people from their homes and taking away their only means of defending themselves. Face it our civil liberties are under attack! And have been for a very long time.

Gary G · « **Reply #9 on:** March 28, 2009, 03:45:28 AM »

Here are some quotes from what I was reading: (it is an online book, The Secrets of the Federal Reserve). The people were deceived.

Here is the direct link: (it is disturbing how our government really works)
http://usa-the-republic.com/banks/federal%20reserve.txt

"Warburg responded that the administrators of the proposed central banks should
be subject to executive approval by the President. This patent removal of the
system from Congressional control meant that the Federal Reserve proposal was
unconstitutional from its inception, because the Federal Reserve System was to
be a bank of issue."

"We now begin to understand why such a lengthy campaign of planned deception
was necessary, from the secret conference at Jekyll Island to the identical
"reform" plans proposed by the Democratic and Republican parties under different
names. The bankers could not wrest control of the issuance of money from the
citizens of the United States, to whom it had been designated through its
Congress by the Constitution, until the Congress granted them their monopoly for
a central bank. Therefore, much of the influence exerted to get the
Federal Reserve Act passed was done behind the scenes, principally by
two shadowy, non-elected persons: The German immigrant, Paul Warburg,
and Colonel Edward Mandell House of Texas."

"Congressman Lindbergh said on that historic day, to the House: "This Act
establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President signs this
bill, the invisible government by the Monetary Power will be legalized.
The people may not know it immediately, but the day of reckoning is only a few
years removed. The trusts will soon realize that they have gone too far even
for their own good. The people must make a declaration of independence to
relieve themselves from the Monetary Power. This they will be able to do by
taking control of Congress. Wall Streeters could not cheat us if you Senators
and Representatives did not make a humbug of Congress."

We must support HR 1207 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LmWgp9JIS0
I think we are at the "day of reckoning" now.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #10 on:** March 28, 2009, 04:37:04 AM »

OK maybe this is an oversimplification but "WE" as a nation have really had our heads up our asses while the country was being taken over.

But its getting worse as we speak!

FireStrut · « **Reply #11 on:** March 28, 2009, 05:03:22 AM »

Good post and worth the read.

Arier Blut · « **Reply #12 on:** March 28, 2009, 06:20:46 AM »

Windbreak, the Constitution is still in it's original form. What I am speaking of are the amendments to the Constitution. Many of which trample over the rights of the American people. Each year the original language of the Constitution is further perverted to represent the wishes of a totalitarian government instead of the original intent of Democracy. Democracy intended by the Founding Fathers is taken away each year.
I have to keep up with Constitutional law with my career. Every year there are so many changes it is mind boggling. Depending on the Supreme Court and the leanings of the Justices the laws can be good or bad. The good is simply overturning unconstitutional laws and interpreting the Constitution as set forth in the original language. The Constitution should be a non changing language, yet each year it changes with the whim of the political climate due to the amendments and liberal minded Justices.

SouthernByGrace · « **Reply #13 on:** March 28, 2009, 07:29:02 AM »

I agree whole-heartedly A.B. in that the original Constitution forbids certain laws and actions by the Government, then the whackos turn around and push an amendment through that is in direct violation of it and they can't see it.
The 13th, 14th, and 16th amendments come quickly to mind, as they are each strictly forbidden in the original body of the Constitution yet, there they sit, now a part of the very document that directly forbids them from even existing.

The justices of the Supreme Court have no business making a single law, as there sole purpose is to interpret and enforce the laws as they exist. The Supreme Court does not posses the power to legislate from the bench, yet they are allowed to do just that, without any interference.

Great stuff guys. A lot of thought provoking posts.

SBG

DEO VINDICE

Ga.windbreak · « **Reply #14 on:** March 28, 2009, 03:13:00 PM »

Quote from: Arier Blut on March 28, 2009, 06:20:46 AM

Windbreak, the Constitution is still in it's original form. What I am speaking of are the amendments to the Constitution. Many of which trample over the rights of the American people. Each year the original language of the Constitution is further perverted to represent the wishes of a totalitarian government instead of the original intent of Democracy. Democracy intended by the Founding Fathers is taken away each year.
I have to keep up with Constitutional law with my career. Every year there are so many changes it is mind boggling. Depending on the Supreme Court and the leanings of the Justices the laws can be good or bad. The good is simply overturning unconstitutional laws and interpreting the Constitution as set forth in the original language. The Constitution should be a non changing language, yet each year it changes with the whim of the political climate due to the amendments and liberal minded Justices.

A R, sorry, I misunderstood your post. I agree that the Constitution has been and is subverted at times and the Court allows it to continue. There are several amendments (both in and left out) of the Constitution which point to the very fact you speak of. The two most glaring IMHO the 13th and 14th but there are also others, as well.

Gary G, I must agree and if you really want to know when and where this really all started look no farther than Good ole Abe Lincoln and who he sold us to to pay for his illegal war on his own people. We've been in the Banker's hip pocket since April 1861. Woodrow Wilson, damn his soul, only threw the last shovel full on our coffin!

I've come back to add a few Youtubes of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdqA4rjrAbM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nSVdrQ_GCU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIqpr830xB0&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JId_kGKowfI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHofggPQcJk&NR=1

The most telling of these has a quote from Ole Abe warning of a powerful central bank and then he goes out and allows those same people to control us. Rothchild is a name that shows up again and again from 1861 until today. The've always had a big piece of the pie.

littlecanoe · « **Reply #15 on:** March 29, 2009, 02:34:10 AM »

Fella's, I didn't watch the vid's because I'm on BP meds anyway. Can't afford the additional strain.

Is it fair to say that the Federal Reserve was designed by the industrialists of the Gilded Age?
If so, was their intent was to keep their families in wealth by forcing the government to increase taxation?
If that is then true, does this not give a deeper look at industrial mentality that is not pretty, it's view of it's workers?

Sorry to go further off topic but maybe it's on topic to the degree that it relates to the dominoes that were set in motion.

Tear up my logic if it's wrong. I'm not making assertions as much as asking questions.

lc

Ga.windbreak · « **Reply #16 on:** March 29, 2009, 06:23:39 AM »

Quote from: littlecanoe on March 29, 2009, 02:34:10 AM

Fella's, I didn't watch the vid's because I'm on BP meds anyway. Can't afford the additional strain.

Is it fair to say that the Federal Reserve was designed by the industrialists of the Gilded Age?
If so, was their intent was to keep their families in wealth by forcing the government to increase taxation?
If that is then true, does this not give a deeper look at industrial mentality that is not pretty, it's view of it's workers?

Sorry to go further off topic but maybe it's on topic to the degree that it relates to the dominoes that were set in motion.

Tear up my logic if it's wrong. I'm not making assertions as much as asking questions.

lc

Sorry about the BP meds, I know what thats all about. Now to your questions, It wasn't the business people persay, it was/is the Bankers who now own/run this country. As one of the Videos explains. The Fed prints the money that we need and then LOANS it to the government (with interest ofcourse) then we get it and the interest is compounded. We, then, are NEVER out of debt. Now if you apply the fact that the Fed just printed another 6 trillion, which by the way, doubles our National debt you see where this is all going. In one felt swoop we doubled what it took from Lincoln thru Bush to get to - 6 trillion.

What Lincoln started and Wilson buried us in; Obama has sealed the deal with our head stone! If they called in all the loans today there would only be bankers living in houses and one day it will come to that; I'm afraid.

Gary G · « **Reply #17 on:** March 29, 2009, 08:19:30 AM »

LC
It was the Warburg, Loeb, JP Morgan, Brown of Brown harriman, and Rothchilds, all being of European very wealthy banking decent; them being positioned in New York at the time. Much money and deception took place. The politicians were bought and paid for. The people, after the first and 2nd central bank fiascoes, were very much opposed to any kind of central bank, yet it was nowhere made known that this was a type of central banking scheme. In fact, it was called a secure money bill. These bankers owned all the controlling stock in the Federal Reserve and now controlled all money and credit of the US people, much to their profit. Even war was very profitable to them and might account for our many wars. I would not doubt if it is not the reason that the big banks in New York are now being bailed out at our expense.

I am new at these discoveries. I gleaned what I have written from the online book that I linked above. Before, I only knew that Ron Paul and all Austrian School economists want the Fed abolished for what it does to the people now (causing the booms and busts, undermining our wealth) and I understand that, but did not know all the unconstitutional ramifications and secrecy. You can link Prescott Bush, GW's grandfather, to those families listed above. I think Obama is naive and easily manipulated, much like Wilson at the time.

littlecanoe · « **Reply #18 on:** March 29, 2009, 04:50:37 PM »

GaW,

I hope that you're kindness will allow me to track a bit further off topic but this question comes in the flow of what is being discussed.

The present condition and past and present contributing causes being what they are and the people being left where they are, what is the best way to secure assets outside the present accepted system?

SouthernByGrace · « **Reply #19 on:** March 29, 2009, 05:43:48 PM »

That's the whole point, lc, you CAN'T secure assets outside the present system. ALL money comes from the Federal Reserve, which is a Private company, and that money is Loaned to us, at interest. SO, where does the money come from to pay that interest? The Federal Reserve is more than happy to "LOAN" the interest to us as well, and also at interest... Get The picture?

P.S. Before 1933, all paper money was backed by Gold and Silver. (see below) Across the top of each note was printed "United States Gold Note", or "Silver Certificate". Also printed on each bill were the words, "Payable To The Bearer On Demand $(Face Amt) in Gold", or "Silver". When the Gold Standard was abolished in 1933, all paper money now states across the top of the note, "Federal Reserve Note." It is backed up by absolutely NOTHING! It does not state any amount payable on demand in any form of payment. It simply states "This Note Is Legal Tender For All Debts, Public and Private." It is essentially Worthless Paper...

Article I, Section 10 states: ... No state shall make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts. (Paper money is REQUIRED to be backed by Gold or Silver.) Making the Federal Reserve ILLEGAL.

As a side note: (On the income tax)

U.S. Constitution, Article 1, Section 2, Paragraph 3, states: Representatives and direct taxes shall be apportioned... (enumerated according to the population)

This is REPEATED in (The Founding Fathers found it necessary to REPEAT it. Why do you reckon they did?)

Article I, Section 9, Paragraph 4, states:
NO capitation (poll tax), or OTHER direct, tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the census or enumeration herein BEFORE directed to be taken.

This makes the income tax illegal, as it is "unapportioned." They felt so strongly about this, they repeated it within the Same Article! The main body (before any amendments) cannot be changed in any way. An amendment cannot alter the original body, it can only enhance it to modern standards or situations unforeseen at the time of its writing. Some say that the 16th Amendment modified this, but it is forbidden to altar the original body. Also, any Amendment trying to altar anything previously stated MUST state the section being enhanced or altered. The 16th Amendment fails to do this.
For example, The 18th (prohibition) was repealed by the 21st. Section 1 states: The eighteenth article of amendment of the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. The 18th was not part of the original body, so it could be altered. As REQUIRED by the Constitution, the article that "alters" another article MUST state which part is being altered. (It MUST Nullify the part it alters.) The 16th did not do this, because it Could Not. It is specifically FORBIDDEN!

Hope this clears it up a little.

SBG

Gary G · « **Reply #20 on:** March 30, 2009, 03:44:12 AM »

Quote from: littlecanoe on March 29, 2009, 04:50:37 PM

GaW,

I hope that you're kindness will allow me to track a bit further off topic but this question comes in the flow of what is being discussed.

The present condition and past and present contributing causes being what they are and the people being left where they are, what is the best way to secure assets outside the present accepted system?

1. PM me.
2. Euro Pacific Capital can get you invested out of dollars.
3. Open a Canadian bank account.
4. Goldmoney.com
5. anything that can be bartered (knives, guns, nails, old silver coins)

Ga.windbreak · « **Reply #21 on:** March 30, 2009, 10:07:26 AM »

Quote from: littlecanoe on March 29, 2009, 04:50:37 PM

GaW,

I hope that you're kindness will allow me to track a bit further off topic but this question comes in the flow of what is being discussed.

The present condition and past and present contributing causes being what they are and the people being left where they are, what is the best way to secure assets outside the present accepted system?

AS I stated earlier I hope this thread will take on a life of its own. My loves are God , Family, the Constitution, and then the Confederency so you have at it. The reality is that up until Bush Lincoln abused the Constitution more than any other President. That, by the way, does not clear other Presidents from getting their hands dirty. Wilson, Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, Bush I & II, and now Obama all have furthered the gap away from Constitutional civil liberties IMHO. By the way we are no longer a country of laws we are a country of majority rule!

As to your other question there is more than one way to skin a cat; see Gary G.

SBG great post my friend!!

Oldshooter · « **Reply #22 on:** March 30, 2009, 11:01:45 AM »

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By the way we are no longer a country of laws we are a country of majority rule!

uHHHHH...............thats kinda like mob rule aint it?

Will they accept my arguement april the 15th that these taxes are illegal? SBG

Ga.windbreak · « **Reply #23 on:** March 30, 2009, 11:25:53 AM »

A few more links that you may enjoy reading. They all have some value that will add to this thread.

http://www.collectsource.com/yourtwo.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0628-23.htm

http://www.lizmichael.com/warcrimi.htm

http://www.paragoy.com/lincoln.html

http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm

http://www.justiceplus.org/bankers.htm

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Rothschild.htm

Let me state that at this time I can't find the link which ties the Rothchilds to the war and the reconstruction but as soon as I do I'll post it. It just might be true that Lincoln resisted the bankers but they got into the fray somehow; maybe by killing Lincoln as is suggested. I do know that JFK wanted to get us off the Fed but was killed before this could take place. If this be the case then Ron Paul really needs to watch it, doesn't he?!

Oldshooter · « **Reply #24 on:** March 30, 2009, 11:30:33 AM »

Well GW that's as good a link to their assassination as I have heard.

Ron Paul better watch his top knot!

SouthernByGrace · « **Reply #25 on:** March 30, 2009, 05:52:50 PM »

Oldshooter, you need only utter three words in Tax Court; "PRODUCE THE LAW"
If a tax court judge cannot show you the specific law demanding you to pay a tax on your income, he cannot force you to pay it. Believe me, he won't find, because it does not exist. There are Hundreds of "former" IRS agents who have finally realized this, and have not filed a tax return in years, some as many as 15 years. Every cent of income tax you pay goes to pay the interest "owed" to the Federal Reserve. Not one cent goes toward running the government. Corporate taxes do that. The IRS was set up to insure the interest was paid on money loaned to the government...
The following links should explain it a little better:

http://www.rense.com/general2/usa.htm

http://www.libertyforlife.com/constitution/us-16th-failed-ratification.htm

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com/new/home.asp

SBG

There are literally millions of sites relating to this topic. Youtube has some very good videos that I posted earlier.

Gary G · « **Reply #26 on:** April 01, 2009, 04:56:57 AM »

President George Washington dishonored (video from the Southern Avenger):

http://iotconline.com/IOTC-NewSite/articlesofint/articl_onlincoln.html

Ga.windbreak · « **Reply #27 on:** April 01, 2009, 09:41:41 AM »

Quote from: Gary G on April 01, 2009, 04:56:57 AM

President George Washington dishonored (video from the Southern Avenger):

http://iotconline.com/IOTC-NewSite/articlesofint/articl_onlincoln.html

Great site Gary G (so true) and did you also read this?:

http://iotconline.com/IOTC-NewSite/articlesofint/articl_bkreview.html

Gary G · « **Reply #28 on:** April 01, 2009, 10:18:08 AM »

No, I did not read that. However, I have read many of Thomas E. Woods essays on mises.org. He is a very knowledgeable libertarian historian and economist. I will have to add that to my wish list along with another of his books Meltdown, that explains the cause and cure for the present depression. Thanks GW, I had not looked around on that site, they have some other good articles too.

Ga.windbreak · « **Reply #29 on:** April 12, 2009, 12:56:27 AM »

Gary G, thank you so much for turning me on to Thomas E. Woods and Meltdown.

Meltdown by Thomas E. Woods

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?r=1&ISBN=9781596985872&ourl=Meltdown%2FThomas%2DE%2DWoods

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all such booms and busts of the past century-back to one of the most revered government institutions of all: the Federal Reserve System, which allows busy-body bureaucrats and ambitious politicians to pull the strings of our financial sector and manipulate the value of the very money we use.

Meltdown also provides a timely history lesson to counter the current clamor for a new New Deal. The Great Depression, Woods demonstrates, was only as deep and as long as it was because of the government interventions by Herbert Hoover (nofree-market capitalist, despite what your high school history teacher may have taught you) and Franklin D. Roosevelt (no savior of the American economy, in spite of what the mainstream media says). If you want to understand what caused the financial meltdown-and why none of the big-government solutions being tried today will work-Meltdown explains it all.