Author Topic: Is that true? (Read 1648 times)

Buster95 · « **on:** February 21, 2009, 06:07:35 AM »

Check reply no#6 I'm concerned because I have ordered a Buffalo Classic.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=254292

Vic49 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2009, 06:17:26 AM »

Not to worry, I have 5 handi's in various calibers and they all group under 1.5 at 100 yds. Once they are sighted in the stay that way unless I screw with them.

MSP Ret · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2009, 06:31:04 AM »

My standard weight barrel .223 Handi Coyote gun shoots 3 shot groups you can cover with a dime at 100 yards with factory ammo it likes and I have posted pictures here with targets. My .22 Mag Sprtster coyote gun shoots 1" MOA at 100 yards and my .17 HMR and my .17 Mach2's are better than that. My 45/70 shoots cloverleafs at 100 yards with Hornady 350 grain RN (& RNFP) bullets over 28.0 grains of 2400. I have a many H&R's, rimfire, centerfire, and even shotguns that are scary accurate. They have taken over just about of my hunting chores now. Do not let a little sour grapes worry you..these guns can shoot!!! That does not mean all guns or all peolple can shoot, we all have good and bad days and sometimes a less than perfect gun will get out, it happens to all manufacturers. Please do not become cynical and sour like some people, it will only ruin your enjoyment of this all to brief life we have here on earth....<><....

Buster95 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2009, 06:34:35 AM »

Thanks guys

Westbound · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2009, 06:41:12 AM »

Feel confident in you choice on the Buffalo Classic. I've got one and she's a shooter.
The person posting that needs to come check out our FAQ section and get his guns shooting well.

My BC has not had anything done to it to get it to shoot well. Out of the box, clean the heavy oil off, go to the range.

SM Bob · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2009, 07:15:25 AM »

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is: That guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
If he would have bothered to get on this forum he could have got his Handis sorted out in short
order. Don't worry. You will be happy with your new B.C.

Robert

Troyboy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:11:55 AM »

That guy is a member. He posts here from time to time

midwayraider · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2009, 09:26:09 AM »

heres my .357 right out of the box at 100 yards with factory ammo. according to the guys on this forum the 45/70 is a no brainer , i would feel very confident in buying one. like MSP RET said some guys just can't shoot no matter what gun they have in their hand, then they want to bad mouth the gun. enjoy your new BC.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2009, 10:07:40 AM »

These were both shot from my Buffalo Classics, the black and white target at 200yds with my 45-120 BC using the Williams FP-TK sight and my old eyes, there are 4 holes in the target, the upper shot was a sighter, bottom holes after a sight adjustment. The other target is at 100yds shooting the 350gr Hornady RN @ 2027fps with my scoped BC.

Tim

Buster95 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2009, 10:21:08 AM »

Hooo really good shots, what scope do you use on your BC?

quickdtoo · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2009, 10:35:54 AM »

Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 Mildot, got it just for the range, don't think I'd hunt with it tho unless I was stand hunting, the 32" BC isn't my cup O'tea for hunting.

Tim

MSP Ret · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2009, 10:55:47 AM »

Great shooting Tim, congratulations. Very good for old eyes at 200 yards!!!! And likewise at 100 with the Hornady 350's. What powder (& amount) and which primers? IIRC you crimp all your loads don't you?
If it's is not to much trouble, and if it is possible any chance of finding the picture I posted of my 100 yard target with my .223 and reposting it? I was using Remington factory ammo...Thanks....<><....

quickdtoo · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2009, 11:09:34 AM »

Thanks MSP, I added the target to your post, the load for the 350gr Hornady RN is marked on the target, Win brass, Fed 210, 2.555" COL, crimped with Lee FCD, crimp everything they make a FCD for, including some they don't like the 405 Win and 45-120!!

Tim

midwayraider · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2009, 01:01:35 PM »

dat's sum mighty fine shoot'in boys....mighty fine!

MSP Ret · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2009, 01:07:36 PM »

Thanks Tim, I will keep trying and some day I will hit that dime!!!....<><....

and your .357 Mag is OUTSTANDING midwayraider, congratulations to you as well...

mauser98us · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2009, 04:45:42 PM »

MSP RET Where did you get the Liberty head dime?

petemi · « **Reply #16 on:** February 22, 2009, 12:28:42 PM »

I's been tryin' ta tell youse guys all 'long, der aint nuttin lak da .45-70. Git yer heads up 'n pay tention.

Pete

cwlongshot · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2009, 12:47:11 PM »

Quote from: SM Bob on February 21, 2009, 07:15:25 AM

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is: That guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
If he would have bothered to get on this forum he could have got his Handis sorted out in short
order. Don't worry. You will be happy with your new B.C.

Robert

EXCELLENT POST Bob!! I agree!!!!

Buster95,
If you look long enough you will find ALL the answers. Not that they will all be true or all false. They are what that author has found or herd about. You need to choose who to listen too. I not going to tell you he is wrong and I am right. But I will give you an honest answer. I have and have handis that are very accurate and some that are only so-so. All will do what I require of them. Some where bought as shooters while others required "massaging" to turn hem into shooters. While others still, are down right billegerant and refuse to shoot well. But all things considered, I can afford them some slack and do not mind one bit, "tinkering" with one to help it shoot better. 90% of the opinions you get here will be positive as this is a handi friendly environment.

Good luck,
CW

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #18 on:** February 22, 2009, 02:46:11 PM »

My BC has been my favorite gun (out of 13) since the day I took it out of the box. I use iron sights and a Vernier, so I don't shoot groups at 200 yards quite like like Tim, but I can get 2" consistently (I'm positive a scope would make this smaller, but I got this gun for the "old timey" effect). And a deer sized target at 300 yards would be no challenge.
The BC actually replaced my single shot Aprdner 12 gauge as my favorite gun. It has always been very comfortable to shoot and carry. I have killed everything from deer to doves with it. Since it "ergonomiclly" the same as a standard Handi I can't imagine why this guy would consider it a "club".
I also have a .22 LR sportster that has dropped quite a few squirrels.
Haven't had much chance with the 30-30 yet, but my first day at the range produced a 1 1/2" 5 shot group at 100 yards with LeverEvolutions.

I can't imagine this guy had as many bad shooting NEF/H&R's in a row as he says.

45carbine · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:22:34 AM »

That reference to a lightning rifle and the fact that he purchased another 5 after that would indicate that he got decent accuracy it was just not consistent.

I also had a lighting gun, it would print a couple close at 25m and 50m then occasionally move up to 6 inches. When tayloring loads I noticed it wandering from point of impact and then back. My opinion was that this was a bedding issue. I have since corrected this using information from this forum. It wasn't particularly difficult. I still have a handi but not a lightning gun.

I can't imagine how any other budget break open single shot rifle would avoid the potential problem of varying pressure and points in the forend?

Oldshooter · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2009, 09:43:33 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on February 22, 2009, 12:47:11 PM

Quote from: SM Bob on February 21, 2009, 07:15:25 AM
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is: That guy doesn't know what he's talking about.
If he would have bothered to get on this forum he could have got his Handis sorted out in short
order. Don't worry. You will be happy with your new B.C.

Robert

EXCELLENT POST Bob!! I agree!!!!

Buster95,
If you look long enough you will find ALL the answers. Not that they will all be true or all false. They are what that author has found or herd about. You need to choose who to listen too. I not going to tell you he is wrong and I am right. But I will give you an honest answer. I have and have handis that are very accurate and some that are only so-so. All will do what I require of them. Some where bought as shooters while others required "massaging" to turn hem into shooters. While others still, are down right billegerant and refuse to shoot well. But all things considered, I can afford them some slack and do not mind one bit, "tinkering" with one to help it shoot better. 90% of the opinions you get here will be positive as this is a handi friendly environment.

Good luck,
CW

I agree with CW I bought two handi's(243 & 270) and out of the box they were "lightning like" but I have worked with them(the reason i came here) and seeing improvement. So there you are (no matter where you go)

Buster95 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:47:01 AM »

Thanks again guys I'm really in the good place for handis

brianscott12 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2009, 10:56:16 AM »

I just bought a new bc in 45/70 and I enjoyed reading this.

merkelerk · « **Reply #23 on:** February 23, 2009, 02:50:16 PM »

I couldn't agree more, my .223 handi bull barrel was okay when I bought it. However, it's intended purpose was coyotes at 200 yards plus.
It was definitely not up to the task.
Having spent some time on this site (handi basics etc.) and experimenting until I found the right hand load, I have this gun shooting consistant 5 shot groups under 0.5" at 100 yards.
Any of my hobies, from racing motorcycles to astronomy and shooting has always been mainly about the hardware and I love to tinker, improve and even make my own parts and tools. The handi rifle lends itself to this as it is easy to disassemble and work on, it is simple and reliable and above all, it is inexpensive. I would be very hesitant to do a trigger job, lap or crown a barrel or mess with the chamber of a $1500 dollar gun (and they often need it) but whats the worst that can happen with my handi? I'm out a couple hundred bucks at most and I would have learned something in the process.

mechanic · « **Reply #24 on:** February 23, 2009, 04:01:50 PM »

Tim,

What buttstock do you have on that BC? Standard pallet wood? Looks like better wood to me.

PHATINJUN · « **Reply #25 on:** February 23, 2009, 04:52:07 PM »

Buster one thing about these guns and this site is the unwritten gaurantee we have if you buy it and have problems with it we will help .If you follow the FAQ'S and the tips and you are not happy with it .We will gladly take it off your hands there is nothing we like to do more of than to take "a piece of junk" and make it shoot tiny groups and that is the truth.

Kurt

PS one thing that #6 may not know yet is Encores have lots of the same inherent problems...but for a whole lot more $$$$ been there done that.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #26 on:** February 23, 2009, 05:42:04 PM »

Quote from: mechanic on February 23, 2009, 04:01:50 PM

Tim,

What buttstock do you have on that BC? Standard pallet wood? Looks like better wood to me.

It's a walnut Topper Deluxe Classic stock, it's on my 405 Winchester Target now tho.

Tim

brad925 · « **Reply #27 on:** February 23, 2009, 05:49:12 PM »

The only problem i have had with my BC is...........I HAD TO LEARN HOW TO SHOOT IT LOL!!!!! Never shot with a peep before but its coming along nicely. Can hit gallon milk jugs at 200 yds with it consistantly. Hope to take my first deer with it this fall.

kevinsmith5 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 25, 2009, 02:04:19 PM »

e peep was totally new to me to. I did replace the apperture with a smaller diameter one that has a brass ring lining it (makes acquisition easier). I did consider a fiber optic peep sight for it, but ended up putting that on my Sidekick barrel for the Pardner.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2009, 02:19:22 PM »

The aperture with the brass ring is the Williams Twilight aperture, it's available in several sizes, I use them on my muzzleloaders since we can't use optics during muzzleloader seasons, my old eyes don't work with open sights.

Williams and Lyman makes a bunch of different apertures with different size holes and discs, it's real easy to tune the sight to your preference and task. For hunting the WGRS or FP can be used with no aperture as a ghost ring, Williams also makes a ghost ring aperture carrier for the WGRS that replaces the threaded carrier, most of these are listed in the FAQs and Helps sticky link Peep and Firesights.

Tim