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Walther PPK (S&W?)
« on: February 12, 2009, 02:54:33 PM »
Just acquired, Modell PPK Cal. 9mm kurz /.380 ACP on one side of the slide...Smith & Wesson Houlton, ME on the other.  Wazzupwidat?

Trigger pull is about one masonry unit shy of a block house.

Slide spring that rivals a steel bear trap.

Left side "safety" lever that rubs skin off of the thumb when attempting to disengage.

I had the misconception that Walther was a good name and made good guns.  Maybe that is all Hollywood and James Bond.  This one seems to be a piece of excrement.

WTH have I got on my hands? 

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2009, 05:09:24 AM »
Land_Owner:  what you have is a Walther PPK .380 (aka 9mm Kurtz, 9mm Corto, 9mm Short - all European caliber designations) that was made under licensure by S&W of Houlton, Maine. 

It sounds like what you have is a brand spankin' new PPK and it will probably take about 500 rounds or more to get it to smooth out.  Your description of the trigger pull and recoil spring is quite humorously accurate, same with the slide safety.

Excrement - naw, they are just made to last for a couple of hundred years so it will take a bit of wear to smooth them; I guess that would make it some hard schmidt...... 

If you are really dissatified with the roughness I would call S&W directly and speak with their Custom Shop and ask them what you need to do to have the pistol become more user friendly.  And you can tell them exactly what you want - a smoother, lighter trigger pull and a smoother safety that is more easily engaged/disengaged.  Also tell them about the recoil spring difficulties.  And while you're at it have them smooth off the bottom of the trigger........ HTH.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2009, 10:46:52 PM »
Mikey...thanks.  I have been perusing GBO Forums in search of PPK info.  You are a prolific writer with some of the better information.  I have gleened a lot. 

I am a hunter...rifle mostly and have a Ruger Super Blackhawk in convertable 45 ACP/LC w/7" bbl that is a joy.  My 45 ACP Thompson 1911 is in need of a lot of tuning and smoothing but it too has been a "good friend". 

One of the other handgunning gentlemen said he sits in front of the TV with a lubricant and a towel working the slide back and forth hundreds of times to hand smooth it.  I could try that with the safety too.  A new gun that is tight should smooth out over time.  I will give the gun a chance.

The trigger pull may smooth out too.  Is dry firing a bad idea?   

I doubt it is going to get any lighter to pull just by firing.

It is a "good looking" piece and fits my huge hand (and small of back) well.  I have not fired it yet (am itching to) but read that some can "bite" a large hand as it blows back the slide.  The recurve below the hammer extends back well and looks to be comfortable.  I am scouring the Web in search of reloading components.

The 380 Auto designation and all of the "mystery" (to me) surrounding 380, 38 Special, 380 Auto, +P, ++P, etc., caliber "interchangability" (or not) is just more fuel for research.  I needed another "itch" to scratch.

What I have not as yet discovered/Googled is the micrometer width of the 380 Auto bullet, case, OAL, etc.  That is next on the list this Sunday morning.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2009, 03:27:17 AM »
Land_Owner:  You're very welcomed. 

"I have not fired it yet (am itching to) but read that some can "bite" a large hand as it blows back the slide.  The recurve below the hammer extends back well and looks to be comfortable.  I am scouring the Web in search of reloading components."  Nope!  Don't bite any more - S&W fixed that by added the additional material to the recurve specifically to deal with the 'bite'..  You should not be 'bitten' by this PPK - smitten, yes but bitten, no. 

Reloading materials - brass, primers (small pistol standard), powder (Bullseye, WW231, Unique); boolets - go for standard 95 gn 380 roundball, or 95 gn cast (diameter .355) - avoid hps or sp until it is well broken in.  And speaking of breaking it in, you can do the 'in front of the tv' thingy and 'dry -firing' (but use a snap cap or something) but there is nothing better than putting together or purchasing 500 rounds of ammo and shootin' the snot outta it - always works for me.....

Overall case length is only .680"; bullet diameter is .355.  If you handload and can find any cast swc slugs in the 90-100 gn weight range that you can size to .355/.356, you should have a great little load. 

+P - you can load +P if you want to and although these are some of the finest handguns ever produced and made of some of the finest steels ever made, I would not bother with a +P, and definately not a ++P loading.  All +P or ++P refers to is 'increased pressure', which will kill smaller handguns - please remember this is a direct blowback pistol, not a delayed blowback like your 1911 and the smaller ones do not hold up well to increased pressure usage - on a diet of standard pressure loads they will last forever and please do not let anyone convince you that you need a +P or ++P loading in a 380 for personal defense.......

OK, designations:::  I believe that the 38 Special designation came about from the earlier black powder calibers which may actually have been a 38 caliber bore.  In addition, there was the 38 Smith and Wesson/38 Colt New Police which was also known under British loadings as the 38/200 (200 gn slug) but these are not interchangeable  with the 38 Spl and Colt came out with the 38 Short Colt and the 38 Long Colt which can be fired in a 38 Spl revolver....  The 380 was designed by John Browning as the 9mm Browning Short - this is also known as the 9mm Kurz, the 9x17 and 9mm Corto.  The 380 has been used by eurpoean police agencies for a long number of years and has been used by European military forces before, during and after WWII - the +P/++P and hollow point/soft nose business was never a factor in those days.  JMTCW.  Mikey.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2009, 05:17:43 AM »
Quote from: Mikey
...there is nothing better than putting together or purchasing 500 rounds of ammo and shootin' the snot outta it - always works for me...
...which is exactly what I WANT to do - hand load and shoot - repeat, repeat, repeat.  There is nothing like the learning curve that is replaced with experience in such a fashion.  Getting to know your "best friend" is a very good thing to do.

Reloading supplies are falling fast across the Net.  Common places for suppies are sold out with orders for resupply, but that just is not happening with regularity.  Whazzupwidat?

It was not enough to get just one gun at one time...I purchased three (PPK, Ruger PS101 x .357 Mag, and Colt Defender 45 ACP).  I am looking on line for dies for the 380 and 357.  I have the ACP already, lots of Unique powder, some primers and a source for more, and a progresive press.

I fully understand your advice re: softer reloads = longer gun life and are probably more fun because less powder is blown up per round therefore extending range time within the same lot of powder.  That's a big Woo Hoo!

The dims are a great start as are the designations.  I am starting to get my mindset around the 380 Auto = 9mm short = 9x17 mm = 9mm kurz, et al.  Also, a big thanks for pointing me toward the 95 gn hardball or cast.  I was leaning toward HP's right out of the box without break-in.  Rethinking that now. 

Quote from: Mikey
If you handload and can find any cast swc slugs in the 90-100 gn weight range that you can size to .355/.356, you should have a great little load.
Resizing cast bullets is not a technique I have experienced..and is something this old dog will have to try.

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Squib load
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2009, 02:48:19 PM »
A real ugly thing happened this afternoon.  I fired the PPK for the first time.  Rapid fire, free hand, factory loads of unknown origin that have been on the reloading shelf for over two years.  I will rethink that in the future.

At round four there was surprisingly a lot of junk blown back - unburnt powder I think.  I was peppered from round four as round five ignited "normally", went "bang" like all previous rounds (sounded normal), and round six hung up at the chamber and didn't load.  Good thing too. 

Bullet five never made it out of the barrel.  The 95 gr. FMJ hardball was lodged in the barrel 1/2" from the crown.  I just read about someone else's squib this morning after the previous post.

Twist of fate?  I feel real lucky.  A good cleaning is in order, some digital photographs of the areas of wear, and a reporting of findings on this 'Forum. 

It looked just like this:  http://www.thegunzone.com/squib.html

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2009, 03:03:15 AM »
I have the Sig model 232 in 380 and it looks almost indentical to the PPK.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2009, 09:21:50 AM »
One nice thing about semiautos a safety feature of sorts is that when you get a squib load like that seldom will it function properly and you'll almost always get a malfunction that prevents you from just banging away another with a bullet still in barrel. Ya gotta do a real dummy stunt to make it happen whereas with a revolver if firing fast it's not so hard to do.


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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2009, 01:22:47 AM »
Land_Owner:  this is one of the more interesting aspects of factory ammunition - quality control.  It is not uncommon to find squib loads (primer but no powder) in factory ammo when hundreds of thousands or millions of rounds are produced and quality control systems are set on auto pilot. 

I have experienced squib loads in a number of different handguns and one rifle.  The rifle cartridge had a dud primer, which was lucky for me and the buck didn't hear me chamber another round (from 100m away).  With pistols it is a different story - you know almost instinctively that something is wrong whether you get blowback or just a bit of a 'pop' when you pull the trigger.  I never had squib loads until I started using a 'progressive' press and then I got far too many because the powder measure was not dropping charges when it should have, so although I still use the progressive for case prep and mouth belling, priming and charging as completed by hand and each case is checked for its powder charge.  It has been about 15 years since my last squib but I still check everything I put together.

Glad you weren't hurt.  BTW - when ya gettin' back out to the range with that PPK?????

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2009, 09:23:17 AM »
I am scouring the Net for 380 Auto ammo in 95 gr FMJ hardball.  Who has some, how much, how soon can I get it, etc.  In the mean time I continue to "work" the action, smooth the safety, and block and tackle the trigger.  :o  It has been well cleaned and is ready for more. 

I will take it to the range again on Saturday and this shooter will go with a more "experienced" mindset.  I hope I don't exhibit too noticable a flinch.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2009, 02:21:44 AM »
Land_Owner:  check with MidSouth Shooters Supply for 380 amm and if they carry Sellier and Bellot, get that.  I have never had a problem with the S&B ammo in any caliber and it is clean burning and great shooting stuff.  Please try and stay away from any Russian ammo - that stuff is so dirty it jams up my Beretta 70S in less than 2 boxes.  Most American stuff, even the white box ammo is ok to shoot as American ammo makers have incredibly sensitive quality control systems that most foreign ammo makers usually forego as a cost savings method. 

And when ya get back to the range and start shooting again, go a bit slower until you gain more confidence with the ammo (it's the ammo, not the pistol).  If you think you may wind up with another squib load, clear it at the range and get back to shootin'.  With the Walther, you can pull the slide and drive the slug out of the barrel from the rear, remount the slide and spring and you are ready to go again. 

Dang!  Now I need to get that old beretta out and play with some 380. 

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2009, 03:39:22 AM »
Land owner

I have the very same pistol, for about 10 years. I have never reloaded for it and probably never will. I shoot 50-100 rounds of American fmj ammo each year, always works good. I have had trouble with various hollow points feeding, so I stick to fmj. Silvertips worked good.
My brother has a hard time with this pistol since he has thick hands, the slide hits the area between his thumb and fore finger. I have carried the gun in my truck for years and it has been reliable. I have a WW2 vintage PPK in 32 cal that is a safe queen. I like the ppk, the origanal pocket pistol.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2009, 01:23:23 AM »
As promised, I took her to the dance yesterday and she's going to be a good partner. 

What surprised me is the safety.  With a round in the chamber, moving the saftey from fire to safe causes the hammer to fall.  The dadgum "snap" makes me think the weapon is going to fire.  It didn't fire of course due to the shroud that covers the firing pin when achieving the safe position. 

That safety and the resultant "snap" bothers me.  It does not seem as inherently safe as a safety that leaves the hammer alone. 

Probably the biggest surprise was the locking of the slide in the rear position after the final shot.  Is that a function of the empty magazine?  From the closed breech position with a full magazine inserted the gun does not have an after-the-fact lock open position or exterior slide release.  That is so different from the 1911 and its derivatives. 

At one point early in the session I forgot how to release the PPK slide and missed a hot range opportunity trying to remember.  I took the magazine out, pulled the trigger (nothing), looked all over for the release, then remembered to pull back on the slide.  That will take getting used to and a lot of muscle memory to repeat to my satisfaction.


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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2009, 01:31:57 AM »
The Smith & Wesson site mentions a recall on their PPK's. They list serial numbers and year of manafacture.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2009, 02:24:28 AM »
My S&W 4506 calls the safety hammer fall a decocking lever.  I was told it was a feature requested by agencies that wanted their officers to be able to chamber a round and safely let down the hammer.  The first shot is double action and the second round is single.  It truly works fine, but is different than 1911s.  They require the shooter to either rack the slide or to cock the hammer.  DA autos just require trigger pull to cock the hammer.  They also have a less precise trigger than single action autos.
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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2009, 04:24:43 AM »
Yep.  Mine is in the Recall category.  What advice is suggested when return shipping a firearm to the manufacturer?  Insurance?  Is FFL to FFL required?  The factory says they will send a SASE (or its equivalent) to ship the piece back no charge.  Is that the safe way to go? 

The recall does not specify if they need the clip.  I suppose they have plenty of those themselves. 

I just shot it and I know they will clean it, but I am going to anyway.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2009, 08:21:03 AM »
Land_Owner:  the best way to deal with a recall is to take it back to the dealer and have him send it back.  Did they happen to mention the reason for the recall?????

Also, that slide safety/decocker works the way it should.  This is a original Walther design that is nearly 80 years old and was first seen on the PP/PPK pistols and later on the P-38 series and offspring. It might seem a bit unnerving but it works perfectly and even on old and battered wartime P-38s it still works just exactly the way you mentioned.  If the 'snap' bothers you, you can ease the hammer down with your shooting thumb as you release the slide safety - one other way to do this is to place your left thumb twixt the hammer and slide, release the slide safety and let the hammer hit your thumb.  It may not 'snap', (ouch, maybe) but may make you feel more comfortable, except for your thumb........

The PP/PPK series pistols lock back by the empty magazine after the last round is fired and the slide must be retracted and allowed to return to battery under recoil spring pressure.  Do not try and guide the slide into battery with your fingers or it may not drive the cartridge into the chamber and jam it on the feed ramp.  Under normal spring pressure the pistol works fine.

Send the complete pistol, except for the extra magazine.  And, they might not clean it....

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2009, 01:55:25 AM »
IMPORTANT SAFETY RECALL NOTICE - February 20, 2009
 
PRODUCT:
 Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols
 
DESCRIPTION OF THE HAZARD:
Smith & Wesson has identified a condition that may exist in certain PPK and PPK/S pistols which may permit a round to be discharged without the trigger being pulled. When the manual safety is disengaged, Smith & Wesson’s Product Engineering Group has determined that the possibility exists in certain firearms that lowering the hammer may cause a chambered round to fire.

 
DESCRIPTION OF THE PRODUCT INVOLVED:
This recall applies to all Walther PPK and PPK/S pistols manufactured by Smith & Wesson from March 21, 2002, until February 3, 2009.  The Serial Numbers of the pistol subject to this recall are as follows:

0010BAB - 9999BAB
0000BAC - 9999BAC
0000BAD - 9999BAD
0000BAE - 9999BAE
0000BAF - 9999BAF
0000BAH - 9999BAH
0000BAJ - 9999BAJ
0000BAK - 9999BAK
0000BAL - 5313BAL
0000BAM - 1320BAM
0000LTD - 0499LTD
0001PPK - 1500PPK
0026REP - 0219REP
0001WLE - 0459WLE
 
REMEDY/ACTION TO BE TAKEN:
STOP USING YOUR PISTOL AND RETURN IT TO SMITH & WESSON AT ONCE.

Any unintended discharge of a firearm has the potential for causing injury, and we ask that you stop using your pistol immediately.

To facilitate the repair of your pistol, please contact Smith & Wesson's customer service department to receive instructions for the return of your pistol to Smith & Wesson.

When you return your pistol to Smith & Wesson, we will replace the existing hammer block feature with a new part at no cost to you. Your firearm will be returned as quickly and efficiently as possible. 

VERIFICATION OF CORRECTIVE ACTION:
When your pistol is returned, you should note a punch dot which appears at the back of the frame. See the photograph at http://www.smithandwesson.com.

This marking is verification that the new hammer block has been installed and that your pistol is safe to handle. 

CONSUMER CONTACT:
To receive a UPS pre-paid billable stamp and shipping instructions to arrange for the modification of your pistol contact Smith & Wesson directly at 1-800-331-0852.
 
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS RECALL, PLEASE CONTACT SMITH & WESSON AT 1-800-331-0852 or email at PPK_S@smith-wesson.com.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2009, 02:22:41 AM »
HA!  Walther has always had a 'cautionary note' about dropping the hammer using just the safety lever.  They used to issue that 'cautionary note' about the wartime P-38s (same safety) as the concern was that worn parts could allow the pistol to discharge under those conditions (just using the safety lever to drop the hammer).  I have always used two hands when rendering a Walther safe - I put my firing hand thumb on the hammer to slow its travel or descent (same way I would lower the hammer on a loaded revolver - gently) and then release the safety lever - hammer goes down nice and easy.  BTW, none of my P-38s, PPKs or PPs ever discharged when just dropping the hammer using the safety and many of these were wartime relics....

I think the new hammer block eliminates the possibility of error.  Ya know, you can make a gun that is safe, or you can make one that is extra safe and almost stupid proof.  It depends on the degree of liability concern and here in the great nation of lawsuits, liability is a concern. 

So, when ya gets yor gun back it should be stupid proof, sorry, extra safe, should anyone else ever get their hands on it..... jmtcw.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2009, 03:41:46 AM »
So, with the hammer down, and a loaded round in the chamber, and the saftey off, can it discharge from a blow to the hammer?

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2009, 07:40:43 AM »
Not only was that "snap" alarming to my safety sensibility, it was also a portent of a litiguous safety "violation" and recall.  At least mine doesn't and didn't discharge and I didn't strike the hammer with the safety off or on.  That would have been kind of like looking for duds by striking the primer a good whack.

I knew a man a long time ago that used to carry his revolver, big one like a Ruger (I was just a kid), in a belt slung holster.  While shooting a shotgun from his hip he accidentally discharged the revolver and shot himself in the lower right leg below the knee exiting above the ankle (lucky for him it didn't hit a joint).  He mended but we're both wiser from that incident.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2009, 08:41:16 AM »
My point is, if this gun is decocked,with a round in the chamber, with the saftey off, and it was dropped on the hammer, would it go bang?

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2009, 01:44:59 AM »
Cheese - I think they do.........................

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2009, 03:54:59 AM »
ppks have free floating firing pins. If dropped with the safety off they can go off. Saw it happen back in the 70's in a police locker room. bullet fragments in the guys foot.  Paul

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2009, 05:46:52 PM »
I have a Walther PPK, in .380, purchased about eight years ago.
I've had about 1,500 rounds through it since, perhaps 2,000.
Takes about 500 rounds to smooth it out. But then, that's true of most semi-autos and some revolvers.
Mine is very reliable. No problems.

The .380 caliber has a rather hefty recoil spring. This is required beacuse it's a blowback design. The .32 and .22 versions of the same pistol have noticeably lighter recoil springs and are easier to cycle the slide.

The Walther PPK also has a strong hammer spring, so it hits primers with a solid smack! Some years ago I bought a box of Swedish military .380 ammo, made in 1943. Man, those cartridges had hard primers! A couple required recocking the PPK again for a second smack, but nearly all went off.
The PPK is noted for its solid smack on primers, thus aiding reliability.

As for longevity ...

I have a cousin who put 8,000 rounds through his in about 3 years. He was a volunteer at a large gun club shooting range and shot it every weekend. After 8,000 rounds a tiny part broke off somewherre inside it. When he called me to report it, he wasn't certain or clear about its orgiin.
Something around the trigger housing, I think. Anyway, it continued to fire just fine.
He's probably got 10,000 rounds through it by now.
He was going to semi-retire, last I heard.

I also own a wartime P-38, given me in 1973.
After receiving it, I did a little research and it became abundantly clear to NEVER engage the safety when the hammer was back, thereby dropping the safety.
Though Walther claimed this practice was safe, a number of wartime P-38s fired and went into full-auto mode as they continued to cycle. Seems that the ledge on the firing pin that prevents it from going fully forward is rather sparse on the P-38, or something like that.
Anyway, I learned enough early on not to rely on the safety, to prevent the hammer from reaching a primer.

When I got my PPK, I adopted the same philosophy.
I don't care how well-designed, I would never allow a hammer to fall forward and expect a mechanical device to unfailingly catch it.
Safeties are mechanical devices, and mechanical devices fail.

I have utter confidence in my Walther PPK. It predates Smith & Wesson's involvement with the PPK.
The PPK design dates to 1929, with the introduction of the PP. It's a proven design, tested on ranges, streets and battlefields around the world.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2009, 01:36:19 AM »
In my experiences with the newer Walther PPKs, I would stay with factory magazines! Most of the aftermarket ones won't feed Winchester Silver Tip HPs(my prefered carry ammo). At least the after market mags I had wouldn't.
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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2009, 02:49:49 PM »
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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #27 on: April 18, 2009, 10:58:47 AM »
S&W "received" my recalled PPK, so says UPS.  The driver didn't want anything to do with the pick up from my office.  He caled his office first.  They verified, and away it went.  The UPS tracking system says it arrived.  I have not called S&W for confirmation.  Probably won't.  They either did or didn't recieve it.  If S&W did not, it's gone.  They insured it so I am not too worried.  What is the prudent path for going ahead?

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2009, 01:56:46 PM »
I bought my PPKS brand new in October 2008. After firing about 300 rounds through it the slide jammed shut and I couldn't open it. Lucky I had fired my last round. I called S&W and they sent me a return UPS sticker. I sent the gun back to S&W January 26th. I contacted them a month ago and they said mine was one of the recall guns and they'd be taking care of that repair too. It's now over 3 months and each time I contact them they just respond with we're working on it and you'll have it back "soon". When I get it back I'm trading it in for a CZ 83 which is the 380 I wanted to buy in the first place.

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Re: Walther PPK (S&W?)
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2009, 02:42:18 PM »
I talked to Larry(customer service dept.) last week and he told me they had revolvers behind revolvers in their department in for repair, since Obama took office? People are buying junk guns and sending them to their factory of manufacter for repairs. Since Obama, gun business is booming and that's good!
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