Author Topic: Question for Quick ( other opinions welcomed) (Read 987 times)

Dustyvance · « **on:** February 03, 2009, 04:10:27 PM »

Is it safe to shoot the 500 Gr. Buffalo Bore rounds in a Buffalo classic? Just wondering incase I get a Brown bear tag next year. LOL. Or should I opt for another cal. altogether?

revbc · « **Reply #1 on:** February 03, 2009, 05:08:30 PM »

From my experience with my 22" 45/70 with a decelerator butt pad and 300 gr hornadys, I have to ask from which end?

(Is it safe)

I don't even want to entertain the thought of a 500 gr buffalo bore!!!!!!! The rifle can take it, but I sure don't want to.

quickdtoo · « **Reply #2 on:** February 03, 2009, 05:26:26 PM »

As far as the rifle being safe to shoot them in it, yes, the Handi-rifle that's listed on the BB site uses the same SB2 frame as the Buffalo Classic. As to the wisdom of using a single shot for a dangerous game rifle as being safe, that's another matter.

Tim

http://www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#4570

All .45-70 Magnum loadings are intended for use in the following firearms:
All Marlin Model 1895 variations made since 1972
Browning Model 1885 and 1886
New England Arms Handi-Rifle
Ruger #1 and #3
T/C Encore
Shiloh, Christian and Pedersoli Sharps
New Production Winchester 1886

The 500 gr. load uses a dual diameter, bonded core bullet by Alaska Bullet Works. The bullet diameter in front of the crimp groove is .449 inch, while measuring .457 inch on the shank. This dual diameter allows for reliable chambering in rifles with short or no throats. This is a non-expanding Full Metal Jacket bullet designed for the deepest penetration on the largest game animals. This load is safe for use in any firearm designed for the other BBA .45/70 MAG. LEVER GUN cartridges.

Graybeard · « **Reply #3 on:** February 03, 2009, 06:13:29 PM »

NO it's NOT safe. They'll break yer darn shoulder. Lest wise ain't no way I'm pulling the trigger on any such. I tried them in a full weight Browning BPCR with a good recoil pad and a PAST Magnum recoil pad and one three shot group was plenty for me. That sucker weighted at least 5 pounds more than a BC.

aldar · « **Reply #4 on:** February 04, 2009, 01:44:09 AM »

Graybeard is right. the gun can take it but your shoulder wont like it one bit. I got a box when I bought my BC and still have half the box left-I'm afraid to shoot 'em. I will say though, that when I did shoot these, I was able to 2 shots nearly thru the same hole @100yds.

petemi · « **Reply #5 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:03:10 AM »

I've got to agree with Tim on the wisdom of useing a single shot on something that can easily kill you. And, I agree with all the above statements.

I'd hate to try the BBs out of a little lever gun though

You could always tie the thing to a tree and pull the trigger with a string.

Pete

dpe.ahoy · « **Reply #6 on:** February 04, 2009, 04:02:58 AM »

Oh, that Pete, always lookin for a way not to use a chainsaw.

DP

Westbound · « **Reply #7 on:** February 04, 2009, 04:44:44 AM »

I've shot the 405gr jacketed Buffalo Bore ammo. It kicks like a mule!
The 500gr is equally or more powerful. If you can handle the recoil, it should kill anything on earth. That recoild will take a second to recover from, making getting another cartridge in take a little longer.

If hunting DG, I would be leary of using a single shot rifle. If push came to shove, I would want a guide with a 458 Lott, and a 45-70 revolver hanging loose in my holster.
And I would want to be right next to the plane, with the engine running.
On second though, I would prefer to be in the plane while taking off. We can fly over a couple of times to make sure the critter is dead.

Point is... your ammo selection is great, but I'd evaluate the rifle selection.

Graybeard · « **Reply #8 on:** February 04, 2009, 04:53:54 AM »

I completely agree. Taking a handi on a brown bear hunt is not a smart move. Your guide might not even agree to it. For sure if you do take it he will kill your bear for you as he will fire so close to the same time as you that you might not even hear his shot. He will KNOW you won't be making a follow up shot in time so will do so himself. Tho I think that was a tongue in cheek comment about hunting them with it.

Dustyvance · « **Reply #9 on:** February 04, 2009, 05:22:01 AM »

Thanks guys, I might as well take in to consideration useing another rifle IF I get to go at all. Would the 375 H&H work? Its a custom rifle that I have shot many animals with and I LOVE it. Only prob is that this is not MY rifle its my Bro-n-law's gun. He shots 300gr. Barns X bullet handloads nt sire what powder of how much. Will find out and get back to ya.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #10 on:** February 04, 2009, 05:29:21 AM »

Quote from: Dustyvance on February 04, 2009, 05:22:01 AM

Would the 375 H&H work?

Your kidding right? $:-\$ If a .375 H&H won't kill it I am not going to attempt to hunt it much less be on the same contenaint with it.

Dustyvance · « **Reply #11 on:** February 04, 2009, 05:35:53 AM »

Sorry for the stupid Question, I am in a wheelchair and don't have that much dangerous game hunting under my belt. I found a place that I can hunt from ONE spot and don't have to move a lot. I just wanna get the job done right I do hunt a lot and am a decent shot I feel that IF I have the chance of seeing a bear before he sees me and runs that I can put one (or 2 if needed) in the boiler room.

BBF · « **Reply #12 on:** February 04, 2009, 06:31:37 AM »

I won't remark on using a single shot on DG. There was a time not all that long ago when this was not a matter of choice.
I do think that if you are going to use the 45-70 from any rifle you don't need that Buffalo Bore ammo.. Rhino, Hippos maybe elephant yes, but not for a bear of any colour.

A stout load in Marlin level pressure with a Hdy 350 gr or a Speer HotCor of the same weight will do the job IMO.

Smokin Joe · « **Reply #13 on:** February 04, 2009, 06:45:26 AM »

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Would the 375 H&H work?

If you use the .375 and your guide knows that you shoot it well, he will kiss you!

mechanic · « **Reply #14 on:** February 04, 2009, 06:50:32 AM »

The BC will easily handle the loads. I tried them. Three of them. I'm saving the rest of the box until elephants attack. Use the 375 if you get to go. It actually has less recoil, and you will have the option of follow up shots. If you shoot the Buffalo Bores in a Classic, better put hydraulic stabilizers on your wheel chair.

Badnews Bob · « **Reply #15 on:** February 04, 2009, 08:03:02 AM »

Not a stupid question, I just have a hard time not being sarcastic, (Humor is your friend.) If you use the .375 make sure you lock the wheels on your chair so it don't send ya backward down the hill.

Hunting bear from a chair gotta take some balls, I hope you get a nice one.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #16 on:** February 04, 2009, 10:56:02 AM »

Your choice of gun and load is certainly capable of taking a Brown Bear, however, if you lack in confidence in your gun or yourself, I would advise you not to use it. As was said some guides will not let you use it unless you convince them you are up to the task.

That Bear if not killed or broken down on the first shot more than likely will come straight to you and kill you if it can. So if you are in a wheelchair you would be a fool with a deathwish IMO to even consider it.

That kind of hunting requires skill and courage along with the ability to move quickly if you have to line up for a second shot.

To the one concerned about using a .375...you are joking of course...the .375 H&H if thats the one you are referring to will kill anything that walks on this earth.

petemi · « **Reply #17 on:** February 04, 2009, 11:15:27 AM »

Probably kill anything that walked this earth long ago too

mantley · « **Reply #18 on:** February 04, 2009, 02:46:08 PM »

i say use it. not long ago you had a choice of a spear or bow/arrow. I would take the BC over either of those options - use a 400 or 500 grain bullet and create a story your grandkids will talk about - you only live once but you can be born twice.

Jimbo47 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 04, 2009, 11:22:18 PM »

Use what you are confident and comfortable with, and I'm sure that you are going with a guide and if he is ok with it then go for it.

Bowhunters have taken them with modern archery equipment, as well as the ancient hunters with spears and bows as others have mentioned, so planning the hunt with an experienced guide shouldn't be a problem.

I wouldn't do it because of the fact that bears have to eat also!

brad925 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 05, 2009, 04:25:23 AM »

I added 3lbs to my BC and it seemed to help. The problem i find with the BC is that the steel butt plate not only provides no recoil absorbtion but it slides out of the pocket when fired causing the wrong part of my shoulder to take the brunt of the recoil. I would like to try and get a rear stock from the H&R trap gun. I think this would help considerably and the pics i have seen suggest it would match the wood on the forend. I would sooner do this mod than cut the original to fit a recoil pad to it.

Dustyvance · « **Reply #21 on:** February 05, 2009, 05:15:05 AM »

Had some $$$$ issues come up today (could be long term). IF I still get a chance to go I will just use the 375 its cheaper ( already have ammo ) and I have a lot of confidence in the rifle so I'll just use it.