Author Topic: how about a poll for a 7.62X39 barrel (Read 2633 times)

gendoc · « **on:** January 15, 2009, 01:49:55 PM »

ammo is still kinda cheap
and is still ready available.
if they do stop importing this ammo, it would be a good while before it all runs out..
any other thoughts

?
i'd like to have one, how bout y'all

quickdtoo · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2009, 02:28:52 PM »

That's why it was discontinued, too many people wanting to shoot cheap milsurp in it and having misfires due to the hard, recessed primers.

Tim

Jimbo47 · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2009, 02:32:35 PM »

Probably one of the first batches of ammo to get banned, so just go buy an SKS while you still can and enjoy!.......I've got mine!

brennemanj83 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2009, 02:35:51 PM »

I wouldnt mind having one but I would rather see more choices in the Buffalo Classic line up.

gendoc · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2009, 02:38:41 PM »

i already have 2 sks's russian and romanian, 1 ak. a mini-30, and a cz.......
and about 10,000 rounds. just would like to have a handi-39

BTW---i never have had any misfires from any of the above rifles using the first
5000 rounds i've been thru.......my ammo must not be the type your talking about.

Saloon slug · « **Reply #5 on:** January 15, 2009, 02:49:14 PM »

I would rather see one in 7.62X54R or .303brit rimmed case just belong in single shots.

Jimbo47 · « **Reply #6 on:** January 15, 2009, 02:55:03 PM »

Quote from: gendoc on January 15, 2009, 02:38:41 PM

i already have 2 sks's russian and romanian, 1 ak. a mini-30, and a cz.......
and about 10,000 rounds. just would like to have a handi-39

I hear ya! I like the way you think!

Draw them in close with the Handi, and make them think you only have that lil single shot!.....When they get closer open up with the others and they'll know they bit off more than they can chew.

Just kidding of course, but I've thought the same thing, but finally gave up because they are so hard to come by.

Settled on the .357 mag for cheap shooting, and fun gun, and still have the 2 SKS's in case I want to light um up.

The misfires Tim is talking about is using the Handi rifle when they made them, people used milsurp ammo and they would have misfires because of the hard primers, and the same problem is found with the Rossi's due to the hard primers.

Those guns you mentioned using them in, have no issues with hard primers.

gendoc · « **Reply #7 on:** January 15, 2009, 03:18:39 PM »

jimbo,
the only one i regret buying is the mini-30.
its a work of art, but its accuracy sucks. even after accurizing mods and attachments
the cz is percise in performance which is expected from a quality bolt gun.
but the sk's are the best!!! ugly, bulky, heavy, but so much fun!!!!
inside 100yrds there deadly on hawgs and coydogs.
the ak is for holding the trigger and dancing

Spanky · « **Reply #8 on:** January 15, 2009, 04:31:55 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo47 on January 15, 2009, 02:55:03 PM

people used milsurp ammo and they would have misfires because of the hard primers, and the same problem is found with the Rossi's due to the hard primers.

I looked around for almost a year for a x39 Handi and couldn't find one.
I ended up buying a new Rossi x39 for $175 out the door. I only use dirt cheap mil surp ammo and I've not had a misfire yet. I've fired probably 200 rounds through it. Maybe I just got lucky and got a good one?
It is ugly though.

If they started making Handi's in x39 again, I'd buy one.

Spanky

Westbound · « **Reply #9 on:** January 15, 2009, 04:33:08 PM »

Quote from: Saloon slug on January 15, 2009, 02:49:14 PM

I would rather see one in 7.62X54R or .303brit rimmed case just belong in single shots.

I agree. Although, if they re-offered the 7.62x39 with a .311 bore, it would be a good starting point for a rechamber to 7.62x54 or the 303 brit

I'd probably buy one.

Blackhawker · « **Reply #10 on:** January 15, 2009, 08:39:12 PM »

Quote from: brennemanj83 on January 15, 2009, 02:35:51 PM

I wouldnt mind having one but I would rather see more choices in the Buffalo Classic line up.

I agree with you on the BC line up....but classic ammo like 30-30, 32-20, 32-40, or 405 Winchester, etc.

dean51 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 15, 2009, 08:46:33 PM »

I think mca makes a chamber adapter for 308s and 3006s to shoot the 7.62x39 in try their website for cartridge and chamber adapters. I think ill just stay with the 308 though.

brennemanj83 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 15, 2009, 08:49:57 PM »

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I agree with you on the BC line up....but classic ammo like 30-30, 32-20, 32-40, or 405 Winchester, etc.
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also 40-65 25-35 25-20 32-20 45-120 .....the list could go on

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #13 on:** January 15, 2009, 08:50:47 PM »

Quote from: Spanky on January 15, 2009, 04:31:55 PM

Quote from: Jimbo47 on January 15, 2009, 02:55:03 PM

people used milsurp ammo and they would have misfires because of the hard primers, and the same problem is found with the Rossi's due to the hard primers.

I looked around for almost a year for a x39 Handi and couldn't find one.
I ended up buying a new Rossi x39 for $175 out the door. I only use dirt cheap mil surp ammo and I've not had a misfire yet. I've fired probably 200 rounds through it. Maybe I just got lucky and got a good one?
It is ugly though.
If they started making Handi's in x39 again, I'd buy one.

Spanky

Oddly enough I haven't experienced any misfires with my Stevens 200 bench gun chambered for 7.62x39mm with steel cased ammo either. If NEF could figure out how to use a headspace gauge they wouldn't have had any issues either... ahem 35whelen, 7.62x39mm cough

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That's why it was discontinued, too many people wanting to shoot cheap milsurp in it and having misfires due to the hard, recessed primers.

Tim

Quick I really wish you wouldn't confuse people by calling Russian made steel cased COMMERCIAL ammunition "milsurp" all that does is mislead folks who search the board to think that as long as they don't buy actual military surplus ammunition they'll be OK.

Jimbo47 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2009, 11:04:12 PM »

Quote: "Quick I really wish you wouldn't confuse people by calling Russian made steel cased COMMERCIAL ammunition "milsurp" all that does is mislead folks who search the board to think that as long as they don't buy actual military surplus ammunition they'll be OK".

You are absolutely correct, but I don't think it's exactly misleading on Tim's part, or anyone elses because it is that Russian ammo that everyone buys that is so cheap, and they do sell it as commercial ammo, but all the components are military specs, so if you put a russian military round of 7.62x39 next to a round with a "Wolf" or "Monarch" labeled cartridge you couldn't tell the difference in performance of the primers.

The old "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck."

So why the hard primers, you ask?.......Imported surplus rifles!

Most people who shoot with the U.S. manufactured x39 ammo never have an issue in their Handi's, and that is why you don't ever shoot U.S. manufactured ammo in an SKS that hasn't had the firing pin spring modification done, or you will wind up some day going full automatic, and dump an entire magazine in less than a few seconds.

Having said that, if the weapon wasn't properly cleaned of the cosmoline in the FP channel and it is not properly maintained or neglected, your chances of that happening are far, far greater of actually happening, even with the Russian made ammo, but even more so if the ammo is U.S. made, and that would be with a clean SKS, so it isn't worth the risk.

Disclaimer: There will be those who will say they have never had issues doing either, but eventually you shoot a lot, and long enough it will happen, trust me!

Airsporter · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2009, 03:08:08 AM »

I agree, most all 7.62x39 ammo is loaded to military specs because of its likely use in AK and SKS rifles. To prevent slam fires, especially in the regular (full auto) AK, the mil spec primers are harder than US commercial (just like out NATO spec military ammo has harder primers) and the primers are slightly recessed in 7.62x39 cases, certainly deeper than traditional sporting rounds.

Slam fires have also plagued Hi-Power rifle shooters over the years (using the M1 Garand, M14, and AR15/M16) if they shot reloaded ammo using commercial style primers instead of military primers.

The combination of hard primers, recessed primer pockets, and the Handi's issue with transfer bar/firing pin strikes is a bad combination. The other commercial rifles mentioned don't have an issue with firing pin strike/length and usually do fine with all ammo.

Blackhawker · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2009, 03:45:09 AM »

Quote from: brennemanj83 on January 15, 2009, 08:49:57 PM

also 40-65 25-35 25-20 32-20 45-120 .....the list could go on

Yup, there's a lot of old classics that would be fun play with in the BC.

R.W.Dale · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2009, 06:44:13 AM »

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, so if you put a russian military round of 7.62x39 next to a round with a "Wolf" or "Monarch" labeled cartridge you couldn't tell the difference in performance of the primers.

Actually yes you can, One thing I found out rather quickly after building my AR15 is that different brands of ammunition behave quite differently as it relates to primer performance.

An example is Barnual/Monarch has yet to have a misfire after hundreds of rounds even before I modified my firing pin.

Black box Wolf would misfire about 50% before and about 2% after

Wolf Military classic misifres darn near 100% even after modifying my firing pin

Calling all steel cased brands the same would be like a Russian calling Winchester and Remington ammo the same.

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but all the components are military specs

not really, many of the bullets used are not mil spec, a prime example is the 154grn SP wolf load

gendoc · « **Reply #18 on:** January 16, 2009, 01:46:21 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo47 on January 15, 2009, 11:04:12 PM

Quote: "Quick I really wish you wouldn't confuse people by calling Russian made steel cased COMMERCIAL ammunition "milsurp" all that does is mislead folks who search the board to think that as long as they don't buy actual military surplus ammunition they'll be OK".

You are absolutely correct, but I don't think it's exactly misleading on Tim's part, or anyone elses because it is that Russian ammo that everyone buys that is so cheap, and they do sell it as commercial ammo, but all the components are military specs, so if you put a russian military round of 7.62x39 next to a round with a "Wolf" or "Monarch" labeled cartridge you couldn't tell the difference in performance of the primers.

The old "walks like a duck, quacks like a duck."

So why the hard primers, you ask?.......Imported surplus rifles!

Most people who shoot with the U.S. manufactured x39 ammo never have an issue in their Handi's, and that is why you don't ever shoot U.S. manufactured ammo in an SKS that hasn't had the firing pin spring modification done, or you will wind up some day going full automatic, and dump an entire magazine in less than a few seconds.

Having said that, if the weapon wasn't properly cleaned of the cosmoline in the FP channel and it is not properly maintained or neglected, your chances of that happening are far, far greater of actually happening, even with the Russian made ammo, but even more so if the ammo is U.S. made, and that would be with a clean SKS, so it isn't worth the risk.

Disclaimer: There will be those who will say they have never had issues doing either, but eventually you shoot a lot, and long enough it will happen, trust me!

how much and how many?, i know thats a hellava question

i've put over 5000 rounds thru my U.S. 39's
with no problems, if anything my ak will ftf before any of the others will, only because of firing speed
and this ammo is russian made with .310 diameter. my 2008 model mini-30 is designed to handle the .310

i would be happy with a handi-39, cause i could probably eliminate the failures. by using a titainium f-pin
a lazer cnc and other machining equipment can make anything."then why not make a barrel? you ask"
i have but it don't perform like i want it to. i'm not in the barrel make'n business. but have made a few pins
in the past.

if anyone has a handi 39 thats a problem, throw it my way!!!

i'm willing to try

will36 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2009, 12:35:37 PM »

I sent my 7.62x39 off friday to be threaded and cut down to 16.5 for my suppressor.

I plan on reloading 200 grain 308 rounds for a nice sub sonic round.

gendoc · « **Reply #20 on:** January 18, 2009, 08:44:56 AM »

sounds like fun

will36 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 18, 2009, 11:36:33 AM »

Quote from: gendoc on January 18, 2009, 08:44:56 AM

sounds like fun

Its the most fun you can have hunting. Im glad I live in a state with good gun laws not a bunch of "feel good" "Its for the children" stupid gun laws.

gendoc · « **Reply #22 on:** January 18, 2009, 01:17:21 PM »

maybe remington has a better idea to handle the "hard primer problem"
come on QUICK give it a try

351 power · « **Reply #23 on:** January 19, 2009, 03:24:15 AM »

love to have one to rechamber to .303br

twocan · « **Reply #24 on:** January 19, 2009, 07:31:24 AM »

I have one and cant get it to shoot 100% yet!!! I have tried new brass and once fired brass i have tried full length sizing and neck sizing. I have tried primer after primer and yet i am fed up. 50% goes off 1st hammer blow, most of the other 50% goes off on the second hit. When it does go off man its a tack driver. I can neck size 100 "once fired in my handi" brass and prime them and shoot off the empty case and it has no missfires. but when i add powder and lead i get mad. Im on my last leg with it.

gendoc · « **Reply #25 on:** January 19, 2009, 09:58:30 AM »

hey,
if you decide to part with it, let me be first inline. pm me if you do.
i would greatly appreciate it.!!!!!!

twocan · « **Reply #26 on:** January 19, 2009, 10:01:34 AM »

You will be 2nd inline. i got a pm already

quickdtoo · « **Reply #27 on:** January 19, 2009, 10:10:47 AM »

Twocan, check the firing pin protrusion from the breech face, pull the hammer back and hold the hammer, pull the trigger and keep the trigger all the way back so the t-bar stays up, let the hammer down while the trigger is pulled all the way to the rear, measure the amount of exposed firing pin, you can increase the pin protrusion by removing some metal from the face of the hammer where it stops against the frame, .040"-060" should work. If that doesn't help, you may need to replace the hammer spring, if it has a hammer extension, remove it and see if that helps, if it does, it needs a new spring which can be ordered from Brownell's, Wolff also sells springs to include a double coil that can be made to work with modern hammers.

Tim

twocan · « **Reply #28 on:** January 19, 2009, 12:07:54 PM »

ok i ordered the double coil from wolff and yes i can get more travel from doing a little milling. looks like ever bit of .040 to me. there may be hope after all

But why would pust priming the case work out and loaded rounds not

quickdtoo · « **Reply #29 on:** January 19, 2009, 01:02:43 PM »

If you're full length sizing the brass after you tested primers, you're bumping the shoulder back too much. You should size them just enough to be able to close the action completely so there's no visible gap tween barrel and breech face. If you're testing primers in sized brass and they worked fine, ya got me!!

Tim