Kwik Site NEF scope mount

[Stan in SC]

I've not seen this discussed here or perhaps I missed it.I was not aware until today that the Kwik Site Company makes a see thru mount for Handis.
I've used see thrus by Kwik Site for years and I like them.Recently I mounted a vintage Weaver 2-1/2x20 on my 45/70 and it just doesn't look exactly like I want it to.Just for the heck of it I started "googling" and found this.
http://www.kwiksitecorp.com/p-70-ks-nef.aspx
I think this is slickern' a puppy's butt.
I called to order one and found out that stainless is all they have in stock right now.The nice lady said to call back in about 30 days or check the website to see if black is in stock.When you select "add to cart" then you are asked to select a color and it will drop down to show what's available.

Stan

[R.W.Dale]

see thru mounts are of the devil

[Troyboy]

see thru mounts are of the devil

                could not have said it better myself

[quickdtoo]

Looks like Kwik Site and Ironsighter have a lot in common, the Ironsighter has been listed in the FAQs for quite a while. 

Tim

http://www.ironsighter.com/p-55-718.aspx

[dpe.ahoy]

Myself, I never did like the see-thrus.  To much moving my head around to get on the scope if I want to use it.  That's just me tho, others may like em.  DP

[MSP Ret]

I like them, I have both and have a Holden Ironsighter for one of my H&R's. The proper way to quickly acquire the target with a hunting gun is to look at the target then bring to gun and sights/scope up to your eye. DO NOT lower your head/face/eyes to the scope, you will hit more targets accurately and quickly if you learn to bring your gun up to your eye, NOT your eye down to the gun...Of course if you are just a target shooter or have a lot of time to acquire the target you can get by dropping your eye to your scope. I still chuckle a bit whenever I hear the phrase "cheek weld", or the newest one I just heard last week, "stock weld" which was supposed to refer to the way the buttstock contacts your shoulder (I think?). Anyone that lowers his eye to the sights or scope after bring his gun to his shoulder is doing quick and accurate shooting a grave disservice. When you look at the target and properly shoulder your gun and look through the scope the crosshairs should be just about where they need to be to fire. Try it at home with an unloaded gun, it may feel different to you at first but I think you will be pleasantly surprised....<><....   

[cwlongshot]

I also hate them.. but for some reason, they do have there followings. 

 I respectfully disagree with MSP. Although I think know what you mean, a properly fit stock will allow proper eye alignment when shouldering. Nothing needs be "readjusted". If the shooter has to crane their neck up to see thru the scope, his/her head is at the very least less supported. Anytime your less supported, inconsistant accuracy is the result. Handis already require a fairly high mount of the scope in order to clear the hammer, to my mind adding more is ludicrous.
 So while I agree, that the site should align up without readjustment and your gun brought to your eye, not you searching for it. I offer that simple proper stock fit will achieve that. Speed and accuracy will be the imeadiate result. A shoot thru/Ironsiter scope mount may get you to the open sites, but at the cost of poor/inconsistant accuracy with the scope.

 Stock weld and check weld are fundamentals to proper rifle shooting form. Just the same as site alignment, breathing and trigger squeeze are in both pistol and rifle. Its brought to the fore front with shotguns as they are pointed NOT aimed. Your eye needs to be positioned properly and directly in line with the rib/centerline of the barrel, if you intend to hit anything. Ask anyone who lifts there head to see a clay break or a bird drop... they are almost always disappointed by the miss.

I have always done my best to diswade shooters from using such devices. They just hurt more than they help. You want to use your open sites... remove your scope.
CW

[MSP Ret]

I received some of my best instinctive shooting instruction about 35 years ago from an old exhibition shooter who used to work or at least be subsidised by Ruger. He appeared at Sportsmans shows all across the country and I met him at the Boston Sportsmans Show. We struck up a conversation and soon bonded in some unknown manner. While my wife took the children around the show he gave me about a hours instruction which started with a bb gun with the sights removed. I started on Silver dollars (which he provided) and he soon had me hitting them thrown into the air on a pretty regular basis. He did it with dimes and I was able to hit a couple of thrown 10 cent pieces as well. He gave me one of the silver dollars as a momento and I went home and removed the sights from a bb gun and practiced and practiced. The simple idea is to keep you eye on the target and follow it, keep your head up straight, DO NOT bring it down to the gun in any way, shoulder the gun, and while watching the target smoothly pull the trigger. He used both handguns and (.22 ?) rifles in his demonstrations and did such things as putting out candles, splitting bullets on the blade of ax ax and then each segment of bullet would break a ballon to the rear and opposite sides of the ax head. I really love the oldtimers, they know how to do things. I learned to shoot long before the terms "cheek weld" and "stock weld" came out and for teaching basics I guess they are OK. I agree that basics are a necessary part of any instruction and all teaching must be built upon sound basic ideas....<><....

[cwlongshot]

There are some people that can shoot very well with some unorthodox shooting practices. Look at what paraplegic people must do just to enjoy what we take for granted. This manor of shooting that your speaking of is a kind of point shooting and can be learned and applied accurately but is limited in its applications. Its also akin to shooting form the hip. I can do it OK, but like most people am far more proficient with the universally accepted methods. With diligence most anything is possible. But by using the more accepted, modern methods, desireable results are faster accomplished.

 There is also some merit in the football/frisbee analogy, there are no sites on these and many people can throw them very accurately. Instinctive Archery shooters also fall into this category. Sites where added because the majority shot better with them, shooting basics have been adopted for the same reasons.

 Remember the when the Nylon 66 came out  the adds with that huge pile of those 4" square wooden blocks? Tom Frye did something mike 10,000 in a row with open sites. I seriously doubt he saw the sites every shot, more likely he shot that Lil 22 as a shotgun. He was able to do it only because of the way that gun fit him.

I find my self agreeing again with you though.. The old timers do have some great stories and are the originators of BEEN THERE DONE THAT. I do not think any of what they have learned should be ignored or cast aside, but they do not have what we do, do knot know what we do and with such knowledge improvements can be made.

CW