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 I'm talking specifics here. Does anyone know the process? I assume there was some compensation offered. How was the value determined? Were there records of firearms ownership existing prior to the confiscation? I assume that there was no need to run around the country looking for guns, you just place a whooping big penalty for owning one, and what are you going to do, even if you hide one you can't use it.

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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2008, 03:33:14 AM »
Heck, I'm still wondering what happened in Kalifornicateya when they banned "assault rifles."  First they just wanted them registered and then they wanted them turned in.  At least that was what I was reading on this site.  How did that work out?

 
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2008, 03:55:35 AM »
Registration is step one and confiscation seems always to follow eventually. As to compensation no it generally does not come either at all or certainly not even remotely close to the actual value prior to making it illegal.

I don't recall the specifics in either England or Australia but as I recall little to none was given in either case. For the most part Canada has not yet reached that stage as folks are pretty much ignoring the law to register them.


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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2008, 04:46:14 AM »
The new heffae kind of likes things European. I suppose the old British Empire would qualify. You can bet they will use the foreign experience as examples.

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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2008, 04:55:51 AM »
I don't think they are going after the guns, they are going to stop ammo, and ammo component production.  No powder and primers, guns are useless.

On a recent flight my wife sat beside an Englishman.  He complained that Americians are too violent.  At home if someone breaks into your home, you let them take what ever they want so they will leave, then you file a police report.  You are not allowed to protect your family or valuables.  My wife told him, he and his country, was nuts.  Pacifists like them needed to be taken out of the gene pool anyway.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2008, 05:11:46 AM »
I too am blessed with a wife who is way smarter than your average pacifist.

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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2008, 02:04:48 PM »
Pacifism and complacency are a disease ask any european about WW2.What was the cost of pacifism?
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2008, 02:18:01 PM »
Pacifism and complacency are a disease ask any european about WW2.What was the cost of pacifism?

That's right and WHO bailed them out?  Free people who paid a huge cost for them.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2008, 04:38:57 AM »
Sourdough, good on your wife.  You guys should have tested the English guy's pacifism by throwing him off the plane when you were airborne.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2008, 10:23:06 AM »
magooch!
 Your remark about throwing that man from the aircraft is exactly the type of attitude that people from other countries mean when they are critical of Americans. It is considered, juvenile, uncivilized, violent and unwelcome in their own countries

Re confiscation of firearms in other countries: I don't know about Oz and the Brits but I can tell you that it isn't near as grim in Canada.
Canada always had a strong reluctance for the private citizen to have handguns or walk around packing them, in part because of the Wild West attitude they saw south of the border.
Ownership of a handgun is allowed. There are restrictions on the type you may own and you can't be running around with one of them concealed or otherwise.
Semi Auto rifles may not have a magazine or internal capacity of more then 4 rounds, five if you count the chamber. Barrel and overall length is also regulated.

Firearms that became prohibited are licensed to the  present owner but cannot be sold or passed on with few exceptions.
I would not even want to guess on the total number of firearms in civilian hands here or how many are registered. I think the majority of firearms are registered, certainly  any that are sold now thru a licensed business unless it is smuggled into the country. As a licenced firearms owner with registered guns I have sold, bought and transferred guns without any problems to people that are licensed as well.


The present conservative Govt is on record to eliminate registration of long guns, and has cut some funding and fees to the Firearms Center. The elimination of the long gun registration has been foiled by the parties in opposition  which are left of center, surprise surprise !!
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2008, 10:51:40 AM »
If they come to take my guns they should be carefull picking them up because the barrels will be hot.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2008, 11:15:55 AM »
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you just place a whooping big penalty for owning one, and what are you going to do, even if you hide one you can't use it.

That's how it worked.  It's coming to your town soon.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2008, 11:19:15 AM »
BBF what affect if any has all your rules and regulations pertaining to gun control had on your crime rate?  Has it changed markedly one way or the other since all the rules went into effect?

Here in the States we have seen a marked decrease in violent crime in places such as Florida where carry laws have been made more liberal, and no change or even more violent crime in places like Chicago when even more stringent firearms laws are implemented.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2008, 12:39:49 PM »
Not a smidgen of a difference as far as I know, unless of course you ask any Liberal or left winger. The big city crimes are still there, probably not as much as the US. Those firearms used and found are not registered and came across the border, a lot of them through the Mohawk Reservation.
The registration of all firearms was initiated by the Liberals under Chretien when that nutcase in Quebec shot those 14 young women with a Mini 14 and that was all the Govt needed to become unglued about these types of firearms.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2008, 05:13:51 AM »
BBF

A lot of Americans would consider Magooch juvenile, uncivilized, and violent too. He probably got up on the wrong side of the bed the last few days. I don't suppose there are any Canadians who get up on the wrong side of the bed occasionally? Thanks for the info, I don't understand why no one seems to know how the Aussies and Brits went about clearing their lands of guns. Such knowledge could be helpful if it happened here.

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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2008, 04:28:43 PM »
Dunno about Oz however the Brits had registration for a very long time. Even their cops went unarmed for generations having their sidearms locked up in the station and only in severe circumstances with approval from a higher up were allowed to check them out.
If my Govt ever decided to disarm me I wouldn't have much choice, give them up or I would have to do without electricity, which in my case means, no heat or refigeration nor water. They wouldn't even have to get close to me before I had to give them up, this is the plain thruth without the BS and bravado that I read.

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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2008, 05:05:36 PM »
when my wife and i went back to the PI we met an Aussie at the beach club we stayed at   he was there to get married to a Phil    if i remember correctly he said the gov. paid $100 a gun regardless of how much it was really worth     i might be totally wrong   it was 2 years ago and just side talk at the time       i do know he lived on the coast in N.E. Australia he invited us down to go hunting    wish i could have afford to go     i think he moved to the PI
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2008, 01:11:12 AM »
That is much as I suspected, these guys running out to buy their $1500 ARs are fools, Unkle will probably offer them a deal they can't refuse where they buy them back for $100. In the US we aren't socialized to the extent that they could shut off our electricity, but my retirement check comes from Unkle. And, with Dems in power, and this "economic crisis" where the Gvt is buying up private industry right and left, it won't be long until you won't be able to see a doctor if you have registered guns that are unaccounted for, or a new Chevy for that matter.

Fits in pretty well with the scenerio in Revelation where they will not be able to buy or sell without the mark of the beast on their hand or their forehead. A cashless society with implanted ID strips like those they are putting in pets now. Why that would be the perfect solution to the "immigration crisis" too, a national ID system with the mark of the beast implanted in your hand. We may not have voted for it, but our friends and neighbors sure did.

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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2008, 01:32:34 AM »
I don't know what went down with the Brits and Australians.  I do know that here in America, we have a CONSTITUTION which gives us the right to posess, and to carry.

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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2008, 01:46:05 AM »
That is much as I suspected, these guys running out to buy their $1500 ARs are fools,

I didn't just buy one for $1500 but I don't see the need to label someone who wants and buys an AR right now a fool.

A lot of us recently sent GB a well-deserved "thank you" contribution to help him get one.

If You think getting one now would make You a fool, well that's Your opinion and You certainly have a right to it.

BTW, a simple Google search - "gun confiscation in britain"(same for Australia), or on YouTube videos will give you all kinds of information.  You have to sort out the truth from them.  Even some interesting stuff on Katrina.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2008, 02:40:12 AM »
mechanic :)
The Constitutionis only as good as the Govt wants to interpret it.  Your 2nd just squeezed by as intended because of one vote.
Replace one of the  judges with the "right" type and you are in a different world as far as firearms are concerned. Don't forget that declaring Marshal Law just about takes away all the Rights you think you have and hands over a lot of extra powers to some others. I believe New Orleans found that out.

As far as electricity, natural gas or any other public utility you may have. It is a minor thing to have that shut off in a hurry if it came to getting you to come out of your "hidey hole." How many of you depend on maintenance medication? How many have enough cash stashed away so you could get by without debit or credit cards for any lenghts of time?
Living in the sticks might work for a short time if you are young and single, add age, a wife and kidlets and that idea won't even come out of the hangar.

This won't sit well with some of you but here it is without any BS and this has nothing to do with me living in Canada.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2008, 04:15:48 AM »
The day WILL COME when each person has to make the decision to go peacefully and lose all their rights and freedom or to stand and fight.

That day may or may not come in the next four years with Obama as president or it might not but come it will. It might not come in the life time of any of us here today but again come it will.

The only thing of consequence when that day arrives is what to do. Do you stand and fight and likely die or do you just peacefully accept whatever it it those in authority have in mind for you? If you take it laying down and hope for the best then truly you are a fool as history has shown us many times over what the grand plan really is and what will be done.

Each person has an opportunity to chose the time and place of their death in such matters if they chose to taken that opportunity and to stand and fight to the death is a personal decision each one must make. I suggest to you it's wise to make that decision far in advance and be prepared therefore when the day comes. It might come in our life times and it might not but it is a decision I think each one needs to make well in advance just in case it comes in your life time.

I do not pretend to know what is right for anyone other than myself and I do not think it's necessarily a decision that needs to be shared publicly but one to be held rather privately. Reflect back on what happened to the Jews in Germany under Hitler. That day is coming to a town near you it's merely a matter of when. We can of course all hope that day doesn't come in our life times but if not then it will come in the life times of your children or grandchildren but come it will.

The one thing common to all the great societies of the past is they fell and you need to understand and expect that this great society we call the US will also one day fall it's merely a matter of when.

It is encumbent on each of us to decide how we'll take it and how we'll act or react when the day comes that freedom and liberty ends if it happens in our life time. What is most precious to you life or liberty and freedom. There is no right or wrong answer and it will vary from individual to individual. The decision is a very personal one and needs to be faced and made long before the day comes that it has to be effected. What will you do when that day comes? Have you decided or do you have your head in the sand assuming it will never come?

None of us can know the day and time of its coming nor whether it will come even in our life times. Still it is a wise man who gets his life in order and makes his peace with his maker and stands fast in the knowledge of what decision he will make if/when that day arrives at his house.

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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2008, 04:36:47 AM »
Mr. Graybeard sir, That last post of yours needs to become a "sticky". I'm 46 and am wrestling with those questions now.
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2008, 04:53:30 AM »
Per our phone conversation GB. My decision was made long ago. WITHOUT any bluster or bluff.

And for the fool buying the $1500.00 AR.

Only a FOOL will call others not in their shoes a fool. ;)


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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2008, 07:40:07 AM »
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2008, 12:00:39 PM »
Our constitution came at a great price.  It may come to the point, as GB said that we may have a choice to make.  We already legally have the "right".  We may have to defend it at some point.  It is not the majority of the folks on this forum I worry about.  It is the apathetic who won't bother until they come for them.  We will probably be the first to be eliminated, and many of our neighbors will assume we are just old fools.  Then it will be their turn.

We unfortunately have an uneducated populace, who think a "right" to healthcare or a house is in the constitution, but who have no idea what is really written within, or why.

The constitution was written to protect "us" from the "government".  What will we do when the "government" tries to take our rights?  That has already been shown.  For most folk, they will do nothing.

I recently had a conversation with a deputy that I know.  I stated that Georgia issues a permit for concealed carry.  He said correct.  I asked what law prevents me from carrying unconcealed.  He was stymied.  He said it was illegal, but could not come up with a statute.
 
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2008, 12:09:42 PM »
Their violent crime and burglery rate went way up.
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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2008, 01:26:06 PM »
  When the day comes, do not wait for them to come get your guns. Be proactive, attack is the best defence, if you want to take a bunch of them with you don not wait for them to come to you wearing body armour and having strength in numbers. Attack them in their homes, offices or at their leisure. Study improvised munitions, explosives, incendiaries, armour penetration. Know where they meet and who they are, knowledge is king. Think about where you can also get military grade weapons. But sadly we will lose as we are a fractured bunch with no leadership. Our end will not come when a bunch of jack booted thugs come kick in our doors, our end will come quietly, in the form of a tax here and a fee there. The numbers of shooters and hunters will slowly decline as more and more are priced out of our shooting sports. When only a few still take up the plight of the second amendment, our Constitution will be changed. There will be no fighting and blood in the streets, just a few lonely old men taking to the streets supporting what used to be our right to keep and bear arms.

  I say this because most of us are cowards, I have been called a loudmouth, a braggart, a killer, an instigator, and many other names here. I have killed for my country and my beliefs, and I enjoyed it, and if the time comes where I have to spill blood again, I will, will you?
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2008, 03:20:13 PM »
Relax guys. Everything is going to be OK.  ;) :D ;D :o 8) ??? ::) :-*
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Re: What happened in Austrailia, England, Canada when the Gvt took the guns?
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2008, 05:26:08 PM »
First--any revolt is doomed to fail without the militaries support---where do the soldiers come from??Your kids.
Second--is it any wonder what has happened to Australia, England and Canada? The pride of the English empire was butchered in world war 1 by inept generals who marched the empires armies into massed machine guns and massed artillery.  The armies from all over the empire was where the next leadership came from. The gene pool has been sadly depleted ever since. When a nations men have their balls cut off--who fathers the next generation?

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