Cartridge case dimensions???

[Busta]

I have seen some posts where you guys have used published dimensions for chamber specs, is there a site that has published cartridge case dimensions? I would appreciate any information on either of these for both pistol and rifle, preferrably both. I did a google and checked the FAQ's, guess I don't know what I am looking for. Thanks in advance.

[quickdtoo]

AmmoGuide has the best list I've seen.

Tim

http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/ai.cgi?sn=fWCHVgofXa

[NFG]

Steves pages is also excellent... http://stevespages.com/page8.htm.

[Busta]

Thanks guys!

Hey Tim, did anybody ever accuse you of being Quick? Thanks a million!

[OR-E-Gun Bill]

"Hey Tim, did anybody ever accuse you of being Quick?"

Faster than a speeding bullet. More powerful than a locomotive. Able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird, its a plane...

Wait a minute, that was that other super hero! 

Bill

[Chas.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rifle_cartridges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_handgun_cartridges

Click on the cartridge of choice to be re-directed to a Wiki article about that particular cartridge.

[Busta]

Thanks guys.

What I was hoping for was some internal case dimensions, but it looks like I ran out of luck. I only own one center fire rifle, and that is my Ultra Varmint .223. I used to own a 6.5x55 Swede (awesome shooter), and a Marlin 30-30, don't know what I was thinking when I sold those.   I am a muzzleloader NUT and have 12 of those and several shotguns of several makes and a couple handguns. I have reloaded for a .44 Rem Mag and shotguns 20+ years ago, so I have been out of the center-fire loop for the most part for several years with the exception of the .223 which I do not load for.

What I really was looking for is a cartridge case that takes a Large Rifle Magnum Primer that can be cut down to just the last 1/2" or so for a primer carrier that can be used to ignite a powder charge in a H&R/NEF muzzleloader. I would like the internal dimensions to be very close to .500" I.D. Will the .50 AE and the .500 S&W cases accept a large rifle primer? Are the large rifle primers and large pistol primers the exact same dimensions? I have heard yes, and no.

I did find that the .300 Win Mag, and .300 RUM cases would be very close to what I am looking for, cut down of course. Would like to find something that is easy to get that don't cost an arm and a leg. Any other rifle cartridges that may have a .500 I.D. near the back half inch? I inderstand these may have an internal taper down toward the case head and that would be ok to a degree. Thanks for your help.

[BCall]

500 S&W cases are made for large pistol, and some are made for large rifle, they appear to be marked differently
http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satellite/IMO_GA/Story_C/.500+S%2526W+Clarification
They should be close to .500 as bullet diameter is rougly .501-.502, but it may get less as the case gets thicker farther back. HTH, Billy

[PHATINJUN]

I was going thru my odd cases today looking for other ideas and found some very short .32's and I think there were some short .38 S&W cases but I believe they were both small pistol primers. I got some 300 win mag cases ar home I could check when I get home tonight Does it matter if it's a belted case?. Kurt

[NFG]

I'm missing something here...do you want to replace the existing ignition system with something else? 

I've never seen the chamber end of an NEF muzzle loader so I'm guessing here.  Can you take a picture of it?  You're talking about ID and I'm thinking OD...a "something" case with an OD to match the ID of your barrel that replaces the present ignition system so you can use large rifle primers.

Is that it?...your talking about replacing the present breech plug with a cartridge case something like those smokepoles that use a plastic case to hold a 209 primer.

You got my curiosity all worked up...now I'm chasing the net for a picture. 

[quickdtoo]

Busta, the inside case head measurement of Starline .500 S&W brass is .501" as best as I can measure it, it takes LR primers.

Thanks to you and Bill for the compliment. 

Tim

[Busta]

Busta, the inside case head measurement of Starline .500 S&W brass is .501" as best as I can measure it, it takes LR primers.

Thanks to you and Bill for the compliment. 

Tim

Thanks Quick, I have that one on my short list. Tham .500 S&W cases are expensive.    Was hoping I could find a common rifle cartridge I could get for cheap (free) at the range and just cut down to length. Do you know what the diameter of the flash hole in the brass is?



NFG,

I'm missing something here...do you want to replace the existing ignition system with something else?  Yes

I've never seen the chamber end of an NEF muzzle loader so I'm guessing here.  Can you take a picture of it?  You're talking about ID and I'm thinking OD...a "something" case with an OD to match the ID of your barrel that replaces the present ignition system so you can use large rifle primers. No, I'm looking for a case to go over a very large nipple. Yes, large rifle magnum primers.

Is that it?...your talking about replacing the present breech plug with a cartridge case something like those smokepoles that use a plastic case to hold a 209 primer. Just looking for something that actually seals the breech end of the plug.

You got my curiosity all worked up...now I'm chasing the net for a picture.  Don't waste your time, I've been doing it for months.

PHATINJUN,

I was going thru my odd cases today looking for other ideas and found some very short .32's and I think there were some short .38 S&W cases but I believe they were both small pistol primers. I got some 300 win mag cases ar home I could check when I get home tonight Does it matter if it's a belted case?. Kurt

No, belted is fine. It is the ID that matters.

[quickdtoo]

Do you know what the diameter of the flash hole in the brass is?

A .077" drill bit just fits in the flash hole.

Tim

[NFG]

I found a picture of the plastic primer holders...You want to replace the plastic part with a brass piece made from a cartridge case head???

Is this correct?  Good Idea.

Would a 45-70 case  work?  I don't have any measurements of the recess's that holds the OEM plastic piece so I'm just guessing here.  If that is your intention, post the recess ID and depth the distance from the frame face to the top of the primer mount sealing point and ID's and depth of the rest of the recess and a picture and I will see if I can make something that might work, either out brass or find a cheaper case that might work with little modification.

If you're interested...it's your choice...I hardly ever volunteer my time or "interfere" with others projects other than add a few ideas...whenever I've done so it is never well received.

But this has my curiosity peaked more than usual, partly because I've been following the "problems" of the NEF and other brands of muzzleloaders and had thought about adding a muzzleloader barrel to my NEF barrel collection.  I have a Lyman Great Plains I've taken 4 deer and 2 elk with and enjoy "blow'n smoke" in more than one way. 

It looks like something fairly simple to make, and any one with a lathe could turn out a few fairly quickly.

[Busta]

NFG,

I won't be using the original breech plug, thanks for the offer though. I'm really looking for a .500" I.D. back near the case head, the O.D. is really not an issue as long as it is not over .700" or so, preferrably less.

I guess I am going to need to start finding some rifle cases to cut down and measure. Thanks guys!

[PHATINJUN]

Busta I took a quick measurement with calipers of the 300 win mag od at about .775 up from bottom is roughly .510 id about .446 or so case wall about .028 Kurt

[Busta]

Thanks Kurt.

I think the .300 Win could be made to work, but the .300 RUM looks like a better candidate. Anyone have a .300 RUM?

http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd300winchestermagnum.jpg

http://stevespages.com/jpg/cd300remingtonultramag.jpg

[Busta]

After looking at the price of brass, 300 RUM is out!

The .50 AE is another possibility.

[NFG]

I dropped down a few forums and found the "main" one(I think).  I think I have a rough idea of what you are going after and I'm guessing it would be easier to just turn the unit out of brass rather than deal with modifying a cartridge case...but who knows until you try it?  There are about a million ways to do anything and finding the "best" way is half the fun and look how much other stuff you learn.

Keep us posted...people have been trying to seal that problem since forever, and you might just have hit the quickest, easiest and cheapest way yet.

Luck on your project.