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Offline billy

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hard choice
« on: October 14, 2008, 03:31:39 PM »
Looking at new bolt gun and it is down to these two, savage model 114 or new winchester model 70 ,looked at both and like them alot ,your opinions are welcomed ,thanks.Looking at 270 caliber.
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2008, 04:11:07 PM »
I think what it comes down to is whether you want CRF or not. I would guess that both should shoot well. The mod 70 is better looking in my humble opnion but that is about the last thing that I look at. I would love to hear a range report from the new mod 70 if you get one.

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Re: hard choice
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2008, 04:43:38 PM »
The Savage is a well proven out of the box shooter, I have one that has been a 243, 22-250 and now is a 17 Remington.  They are easy to change barrels on at home if you do that kind of thing.  The accutrigger to me is excellent for a factory trigger so if you like the looks of both of them I would go with the Savage.  Larry
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2008, 03:59:12 AM »
Savage makes a darned good and accurate rifle as many attest, but I would say take a look at a Howa before you buy and see what you think. I have three of them, including a 270 Win. and they are all very accurate. The price ain't bad either.
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2008, 04:43:18 AM »
Given the choices, I'd go with the Model 70 because it's a classic.
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2008, 05:38:49 AM »
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2008, 08:37:10 AM »
I have the model 14 in 7mm-08 and it is a tack driver.  It will shoot a 5 shoot group a little better than my Sako 7mm-08.  I see no reason the 114 would not be every bit as good.
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 04:39:34 PM »
Hey nodlenor,i have a howa in 270 and your right it is very accurate just a little heavy to carry all day.
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 03:15:00 AM »
Yes, it is a little on the heavy side. That soaks up some of the recoil which my old shoulder doesn't like nowdays. I don't do much still hunting so the weight doesn't bother me. I just take it to my stand / blind and sit and wait.
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2008, 08:34:18 AM »
Savage.  Haven't seen any of the new FN Winchesters but will wait until I have more reports on them before I'd consider one. 
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2008, 12:04:15 PM »
I've seen a couple of the new Winchester M70 featherweights and I'm quite impressed.

Heck, just by both Billy......
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 03:48:16 PM »
Wish i had the cash to buy both of them victorcharlie,but you know how it is these days.
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 01:37:55 AM »
Given that choice I'd pick......drum roll please........ The Remington LSS Mtn. Rifle hey in fact I did.


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Re: hard choice
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 01:41:28 AM »
Given that choice I'd pick......drum roll please........ The Remington LSS Mtn. Rifle hey in fact I did.

Me too ;D
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 05:26:51 AM »
Looking at new bolt gun and it is down to these two, savage model 114 or new winchester model 70 ,looked at both and like them alot ,your opinions are welcomed ,thanks.Looking at 270 caliber.

While both of those rifles are 'good' there is a big difference in their design and features.   The 'new' M70 will have control round feeding,  a three position safety that locks the firing pin and in general it should have better detail.

You should look over these rifles and pick the one that you like but know why.

I have a battery of pre 64 M70's, 99's ZB Brono's etc.   I would not buy the less expensive Savage as you can see where my taste is but money is very important and Savage is a very good company.   

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Re: hard choice
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 11:44:25 AM »
I continue to be amazed at the number of folks who seem to think controlled round feed is so important and the same with the three position safety ala Winchester Model 70. I personally refuse to by any gun with such a safety as I've learned the two position Remington safety and thus ALL my guns MUST have the same operation so I don't ever have to think about it but it is just automatic to me. I've never had a failure to feed or eject with my push feed Remingtons. In fact you can turn the rifle upside down and it continues to feed and eject just fine thank you. These things are necessary only in the mind of some folks. Hint they really aren't necessary.


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Re: hard choice
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 12:08:46 PM »
The Winchester M70 feather weight is a handsome rifle.  The trigger on the two long actions I "fondled" was quite good. The wood on both is better than average and have some grain and figure in it.  I'm not easily impressed with new rifles, but this one warrants a second look.

Savage rifles will shoot with anything on the shelf in most cases and I'm quite fond of them also.

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Re: hard choice
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2008, 12:24:04 PM »
That's quite a apples and oranges choice on the rifles---the dealer here has the new Winchesters on the shelf marked at $900 and they seem nice enough---was never a big fan of Winchester in the first place----do own a FN/Winchester Select shotgun though.

And the Savage is well a-- Savage---nasty----but priced right.


Off topic---GB would be proud of me---bought my first Remington rifle in years---well sort of a more like a Remington/DPMS----a new R-25 ;D

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Re: hard choice
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2008, 02:38:15 AM »
I continue to be amazed at the number of folks who seem to think controlled round feed is so important and the same with the three position safety ala Winchester Model 70. I personally refuse to by any gun with such a safety as I've learned the two position Remington safety and thus ALL my guns MUST have the same operation so I don't ever have to think about it but it is just automatic to me. I've never had a failure to feed or eject with my push feed Remingtons. In fact you can turn the rifle upside down and it continues to feed and eject just fine thank you. These things are necessary only in the mind of some folks. Hint they really aren't necessary.

For most people I know the ability to turn a rifle upside down and still have it feed is unimportant in the extreme – and that is not their reason for preferring CRF.  Nor am I aware of any real problems caused by variations in safety design.

For myself, I prefer CRF and fixed-blade ejectors for a number of reasons.  First, the CRF rifles tend to have larger, stronger, more reliable extraction mechanisims – no little springs or pins.  Further, and just as important to me and perhaps more so, mine have fixed-blade ejectors.  Since I do 99.9% of my shooting at the range I appreciate being able to ***easily*** unload with one hand without brass flying several feet.

As to safeties, the primary problem I’ve had with various types is with the Cross-Bolt Saftey on some of my lever guns.   Normally I negate the difference by leaving the CBS in the “Fire” position and hunting with an empty chamber and half-cock until ready to shoot.  Once my buddy insisted I engage the CBS with an empty chamber and when it came time to fire I levered a round into the chamber and dropped the hammer onto the CBS with an annoying “Clack”.  The buck, of course, took off at the sound.

When it comes to bolt guns, I have Remingtons with two position safeties that behave differently – the old style that lock the bolt when engaged and the new style, which I prefer, that allows you to open the bolt when engaged.  I also have one that has been converted from the old to the new style.  My Savage has a three-position slide safety while  some of my Rugers have a two-position slide safety and others have a three-position wing safety.  Other than pulling the trigger on an empty chamber, which I’ve done more than once, the difference in the rifles itself has caused no problems.

Guess I’d have to say that identical safeties  “are necessary only in the mind of some folks. Hint they really aren't necessary.”  At least not for some/most of us.




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Re: hard choice
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2008, 03:47:43 AM »
I continue to be amazed at the number of folks who seem to think controlled round feed is so important and the same with the three position safety ala Winchester Model 70. I personally refuse to by any gun with such a safety as I've learned the two position Remington safety and thus ALL my guns MUST have the same operation so I don't ever have to think about it but it is just automatic to me. I've never had a failure to feed or eject with my push feed Remingtons. In fact you can turn the rifle upside down and it continues to feed and eject just fine thank you. These things are necessary only in the mind of some folks. Hint they really aren't necessary.

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Re: hard choice
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2008, 04:09:09 AM »
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Guess I’d have to say that identical safeties  “are necessary only in the mind of some folks. Hint they really aren't necessary.”  At least not for some/most of us.

You did notice that I said: "I personally refuse to buy any gun with such a safety as I've learned the two position Remington safety and thus ALL my guns MUST have the same operation so I don't ever have to think about it but it is just automatic to me." Meaning I made it clear that applied to me and made no reference to how it might or might not apply to others.


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Re: hard choice
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2008, 12:51:34 PM »
Every handgun that I carry is must be the same. I carry a 1911 of some sort pretty much all of the time. Keep in mind, I live in New orleans, so it is pretty necessary. If I ever have to use it, i want it to be automatic. It will be life or death. In hunting situations, I usually have a bit of time to think about my shot, Frequently I have to make myself wait, just to relax a bit. I have enough time to deactivate the saftey. I own several brands of Rifle but I can't remember ever fumbeling with a saftey whie hunting, but that is just me. I will redily concede that the same style of saftey on all of ones rifles is not a bad idea at all. Maybe we could petition Savremchester to agree on one style and stick to it.  ;D

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Re: hard choice
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2008, 04:38:26 PM »
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Guess I’d have to say that identical safeties  “are necessary only in the mind of some folks. Hint they really aren't necessary.”  At least not for some/most of us.

You did notice that I said: "I personally refuse to buy any gun with such a safety as I've learned the two position Remington safety and thus ALL my guns MUST have the same operation so I don't ever have to think about it but it is just automatic to me." Meaning I made it clear that applied to me and made no reference to how it might or might not apply to others.

You also said:

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These things are necessary only in the mind of some folks. Hint they really aren't necessary.

In the first statement you are discussing what is in the mind of OTHER PEOPLE.  In the second you come to a conclusion that can only be interpreted as suggesting those people are mistaken in their beliefs.  Thanks, but I can decide for myself, and do so much better than you can.
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #23 on: October 24, 2008, 12:36:25 AM »
Well i got the model 70 ,when i can shoot it will post a range report ,hope i made a good choice.
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #24 on: October 24, 2008, 12:40:25 AM »
Good choice!
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2008, 06:12:28 AM »
Gotta love an m70 ;D
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Re: hard choice
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2008, 07:59:07 AM »
Let us know how it shoots, I think that you are the first in the group with the new mod 70.

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Re: hard choice
« Reply #27 on: October 24, 2008, 11:30:03 AM »
Definitely post a range report, those all weather models are looking awful good, but no one around here has any that I can check out.

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Re: hard choice
« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2008, 12:33:39 AM »
Well i got the model 70 ,when i can shoot it will post a range report ,hope i made a good choice.

You helped support you're local South Carolina boys and that's a good thing IMO.

I really like the look and feel of the rifle, nice "fit and finish".

You did good IMO.

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Re: hard choice
« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2008, 12:24:44 PM »
Yeppers, big +1 on the Model 70. Both choices would have been very good, but nothing wrong with deciding on the M70. You wouldn't have gone wrong on either.
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