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Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« on: October 13, 2008, 11:00:36 AM »
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The Savage Barrel Nut--Advantages
Many gun builders will re-barrel a Savage without the barrel lock nut, by milling a shoulder on the barrel and mounting the barrel Remington-style. The only advantage to this is that it will let you fit a heavy-contour barrel with a diameter that is larger than the nut. The nut has several advantages, however. First the nut makes it much easier for the gun's owner to set headspace and switch barrels. Second, the barrel lock-nut provides a more solid thread joint and controls harmonics in a positive manner. I truly believe the barrel nut can enhance accuracy. In fact, I've made Remingtons shoot better by simply cutting back the shoulder and adding a nut.




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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2008, 01:47:07 PM »
Oh S*@T,  don't let Swampy read that.  It's just impossible....  LOL ;D

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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2008, 01:56:13 PM »
UH OH  :o Wait till I get the popcorn, this one is gonna get real good in a hurry!! 8)
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »
Oh S*@T, don't let Swampy read that.  It's just impossible....  LOL ;D

Oh heck, Swampy would be the first to advocate for Remington to use the barrel nut.  ;D Then, if we could just get Remington to start using the floating bolt head like Savage uses, plus get their quality control up to par with Savage (you know, make their receivers square enough that we don't have to pay the extra $250 - $300 to get them trued enough to shoot straight), we might finally see a rifle from Remington that shoots well right out of the box. I doubt they'll ever be on the same level with Savage though, no matter what they do, short of letting Savage take over their production.  ;D ;D Sorry Swampy, I'm just stating the facts that also happen to be just my opinion. ;)
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2008, 02:01:45 PM »
dat rite der is a pretty nice looking rifle, shinier than my harley

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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2008, 05:10:27 PM »
The barrel nut locking method allows the barrel nut to tilt slightly due to a slight amount of play in the threads and conform to an off axis action face or a slightly tapered recoil lug, a sholder cut on a barrel cannot conform to any of these common action inaccuracies.  I think it just puts less stress into the action and barrel at the mounting point.  I like it, I have also seen other rifles with with them added.  Larry
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2008, 05:31:21 PM »
well to be sure that shine disqualified the gun as anything of interest to me.. but if all that info means savage is accurate an can be made
even more accurate ..sounds good to me .. i knew they were accurate..

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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2008, 03:34:07 AM »
Coyote Hunter, you are always trying to stir the pot.  ;D  This is going to be good. 

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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2008, 03:57:04 AM »
Coyote Hunter, you are always trying to stir the pot.  ;D  This is going to be good. 

Just trying to take an honest, unbiased look at things. 

I like my Remingtons but if forced to give up all but one rifle I would keep one of the Rugers.  As to Remington being the most accurate out of the box, many folks would disagree based on experience.  That said, the 1975 .308 Win BDL I picked up in like new condition a couple years ago is very accurate.  I only wish my 2005 .30-06 M700 was equally so. 

Remingtons are OK but they are not a panacea and they are only "best" if they meet an individual's criteria.  To contend without qualification that Remington is the "best" is to be like those of old who asserted with equal pomposity and disregard for reality that the earth was flat.



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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2008, 04:48:02 AM »
Pure unadulterated BS!  Straight from the bull.

Anyone that says the Remington 700s aren't the best production rifles you can buy, will lie about other stuff too.
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2008, 05:37:15 AM »
I think Savage has the best "out of the box" production rifle...
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2008, 07:07:36 AM »
All those sheet metal bits really detract from the final product, but for a cheap rifle they aren't bad.  Most big game hunters don't need MOA accuracy anyway.
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2008, 08:11:20 AM »
Maybe we culd keep the bickering to one thread and the real stuff in the othering threads. We should at lest keep a few threads fact based instead of the X brand is best stuff.

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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2008, 08:29:42 AM »
Swamp,
The fact is that Sako is the best production rifles you can buy.  Remington are good rifles but not the best.  For the money it's hard to say which is better Remington or Savage.  I have a VTR 308 that shoots VERY good but I also have a Model 10 bull barrel Savage in 308 that shoots the same 1/4 MOA the Remington shoots.  Only thing is I found the Savage for $365 dollars out the door and the VTR cost me around $650.

All you Savage guys really need to thank guys like Swamp.  Cause all these brand snobs find out just how good the Savage is then the price is going to go up when they start buying these "cheap" Savages.
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2008, 08:32:09 AM »
Maybe Swampy could take over Nonya's old forum....we could call it the "World According to Swampy"......"A Delusional Thesis on Remington Products".....lol

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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2008, 08:45:43 AM »
Yote,
One fine rig you got!!!
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2008, 08:48:27 AM »
I'm hoping the Savages stay cheap because I've got some tomatos I need to stake next spring. ;D.  If not then I guess I'm stuck with Sako stakes.

The only thing that's even close to Remington's quality & looks is the Kimber.
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2008, 08:49:13 AM »
Now, The world according to Swampy would be a great idea.

Swampy, Comparing the Kimber and Remington is more of a reach than comparing the Icon and 770. They are apples to oranges. The Kimber is super light, CRF, has a modle 70 saftey and is known to be finikey (ie. not as accurate as most would like.) As you know, the 700 is push feed and has a completly different style of saftey and for the most part is dependably accurate. The Savage/Remington comparison is apples to apples.

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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2008, 08:50:44 AM »
If Savage built an AR with a barrel nut would it be an Evil Barrel nut ?
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2008, 09:04:02 AM »
All those sheet metal bits really detract from the final product, but for a cheap rifle they aren't bad.  Most big game hunters don't need MOA accuracy anyway.

Sour grapes...
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2008, 09:05:05 AM »
Yote,
One fine rig you got!!!

That ain't mine, just a pic and article off the web...

Would be a keeper if I had it, though...
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2008, 04:40:05 AM »
I once had a flat tire.  Didn't have a jack handle, so I used my R700 to jack up my truck... My savage 10 next to it was to accurate to ruin... Remington fell apart so I had to use the Savage anyway... still shoots MOA :P
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2008, 10:43:20 AM »
 If you actually take the green blinders off and take a hard look ant the engineering of a savage and a rem 700 it's quite evident that the Savage system is simply a better mousetrap for shooting tiny groups than the 700

 I find it interesting that most of the features that make savages so much  more efficient to produce are also the same features that help them shoot outstanding groups, things like the aforementioned bbl nut, and floating bolt head.

What's funny is now that rem owns Marlin they now make a savage knockoff in the XL7 bolt action. If Remington was smart they'd take this design and replace all those 770/710 abominations and even the entry level 700's with a rebranded version of the XL7

 I just love showing Rem 700 kool/aid drinkers the .2 and .3 inch 5 shot groups my sub $700  Stevens 200 project shoots. A month ago on THR I held a postal match for the  smallest average of two 5 shot groups for centerfire bolt actions. Not a single Remington participated ::)

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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2008, 11:10:11 AM »
All those sheet metal bits really detract from the final product, but for a cheap rifle they aren't bad.  Most big game hunters don't need MOA accuracy anyway.

Sour grapes...

Not at all, I wish Savage's workmanship was even close to Remington's.  It just isn't.  It isn't a better system.  It's just a cheap system.
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2008, 11:15:09 AM »
That may have been the case w/ Remmy, but now I fear Savage is going to pound them in the workmanship arena... The finish on a lot of these new Remmy 700's is terrible, and the less said about their "R15" dura coat the better... I picked up a new one in a gun shop and was appaled...

Savage seems to be coming up in both fit and finish in the market, but both are good products all in all...
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2008, 01:17:34 PM »
If Remington is beginning to paint their rifles it is the beginning of the end.  Larry
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2008, 05:10:49 PM »
I think there are alot of good bolt guns out there. Try as I might, I just can't get into getting all carried away with one brand. I have had very good luck with the Rem 700, but not all that I have shot by any means. I have more Mod. 700's in my safe than any other & I only keep accurate ones. I have 2 Sendero's, the 300 was an extreme shooter from the start, in fact my first 3 shot group at 500 yds with it was approx. 1.5", but my 25-06 was so-so in my view until I had it "Ackleyed" by a very good Smith & he also skim bedded & other things & it is a .25" shooter now. I have a stock 308VS that is the same way, right off. I have a plain ADL in 270 that made a .187" group with my first 140Accubond load, but I have got rid of a few 700's that wern't quite that good & a couple not good at all. I have seen some Savages lately that are very accurate, but the last Sav. I had was a 22-250 with the Varmit tube & I tried glass bedding & all tricks, but it was not a shooter. If I had concluded from one rifle as some do that Savages or Rems aren't accurate I would have displayed ignorance & that's about it. The Rems are nice & are my preference and are a good choice if you don't mind spending a little more. I want to hand these down to my kids, but they may wind up with a Sav. or2 as well. I am thinking about building a Sav. switch barrel set-up, maybe a 6mm RemAI, 280AI & 9.3mm. I like both brands & arguing which is better depends on what you want to achieve really, it's easier to make the Rem look good although Sav. aren't as ugly as they used to be, or if you want a switch barrel get the Sav. but on the accuracy side if both are built well sometimes it boils down to which one has a slightly better tube, which is not 100% predictable.
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2008, 11:41:48 PM »
If Remington is beginning to paint their rifles it is the beginning of the end.  Larry

The end began several years back at Big Green  :(

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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2008, 06:41:12 PM »
A long ending I guess.  ::)
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Re: Savage Barrel Nut - one gunsmith's opinion
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2008, 10:24:29 PM »
Yes it's a bit like an English Oak, they say they take hundreds of years to die. Big Green won't take as along to succumb, that is hopefully someone will wake up and put things right there. A forlong hope so far as the slide continues. This recent economy slide might make a difference though. Let's hope it's not the end for although I intensly dislike modern Remington production they are an Old maker and it will be a crying shame should it go under. I morn the loss of the traditional quality and values in such old companies however modern methods hae not prooved as sustainable as the market was led to believe.